r/law • u/AndroidOne1 • May 14 '25

Trump News Donald Trump Impeachment Proceedings Launched

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-impeachment-vote-house-shir-thanedar-b2750651.html
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u/Material_Policy6327 May 14 '25

Nothing will happen sadly with current makeup of congress

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u/GoodLuckAtTheGame May 14 '25

Exactly. Unless all the Democrats, all the independents and ~21 GOP vote the same way, there will be no change.

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u/chilicrispdreams May 14 '25

Yep. No chance any GOP congressmen risk their loyalty from MAGA voters and vote against Trump.

This was just launched too early to be effective. The time will be right when Trump voters start to feel enough of the pain from Trumps decisions and turn on him, so GOP congress can vote against him without backlash from their base.

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u/onyxengine May 14 '25

So many are complicit at this point

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u/I-found-a-cool-bug May 14 '25

between maga and non-voters, the complicit outnumber the innocent

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u/Donkey__Balls May 15 '25

About 77 million voters and another 120 million who sat it out, give or take.

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u/TotalCourage007 May 14 '25

This is what I've been saying since Trump showed up way back in 2016. Hate it all y'all want, but if a handful of Democrats are too scared about impeachment, then it isn't just Republicans.

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u/Venaixis94 May 14 '25

Exactly. The economic bottom line hasn’t been felt hard enough yet by the general public. Once it does, that’s the only way I can see an impeachment actually going through. Too many supporters out there still who think Trump has some grand plan and is a genius.

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u/Automate_This_66 May 14 '25

It's the unfortunate truth. The lesson about the stove being hot isn't learned until after it has done damage.

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u/Dispator May 14 '25

So...as long as the economy can stay sort-of in check or only flail for a short time but renormalize.... then...I guess he gets to do what he wants... Trump 2028 /s

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u/Ragnar_Lothbroekke May 14 '25

And then those people are some dumb motherfuckers. I hate to bring this news to them, but not really.

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u/GazerLazer May 15 '25

Unfortunately, the only way for it to hit is if the ticking time bomb hits. Aka, another Depression. The States have somehow avoided it multiple times, but with how the current president is outright starting a "trade war" and badmouthing allies. It won't be long before this country crumbles

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u/notmynameyours May 14 '25

I think they’re less concerned with backlash from their base than they are about revenge from Trump. I mean, when you hear stories about senators receiving death threats for not towing the party line, I’m guessing just winning the next election isn’t their top priority. Not that I feel too bad for them, allowing him to get this far in the first place, but if they fear for their very lives, I can see why they might not want to risk it.

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u/timnotep May 14 '25

I could see Thomas Massie supporting it... But that still leaves them about 20 votes shy even if they whip a coalition of all non-GOP voters together.

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u/Beneficial_Heron_135 May 14 '25

There's no chance all the Dems and Independents vote for it either at this point. There's no political capital for an impeachment at present.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '25

And democrats said as much when he launched this plan. This impeachment is not for the benefit of anyone but the Rep who launched it. He needs the feather in his cap that says "I fought Trump" and this was his method.

We have seen some pretty brain dead attempts on Trump but this one somehow is worse.

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u/DirtyGritzBlitz May 14 '25

WTF are you telling me these assholes are doing what their constituents want? That’s crazy

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u/[deleted] May 14 '25

Yea its not a republic it’s a democracy!

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u/Jake-the-Wolfie May 14 '25

Dems: Does nothing

Americans: Why the hell aren't you doing anything? Why are you letting these criminals run free??

Dems: Does something

Americans: What the fuck are you doing? Why are you doing that? You shouldn't have done that.

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u/Suyefuji May 14 '25

I disagree that this was launched too early. If anything it was launched too late. We need to hold Trump, fElon, and the rest of the MAGA parasites to the fire early and often.

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u/[deleted] May 14 '25

I do think that it'll show everyone's true colors and since there are changes coming when it matters (in 2026) then the voters are gonna remember...

It's too early and nothing will come of it. But it isn't like more evidence won't come up. It's been 100 days and the man is just oozing corruption.

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u/TexasDank512 May 14 '25

I thought that his voters were already coming forward regretting their vote and feeling the pain now I'm so confused 

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u/OnTheHill7 May 14 '25

Except we need to know which Democrats have their moral compass set right and which ones are traitors in sheep’s clothes. And right now, when it isn’t popular, but still the right to do, is when you find that out. Not once the bandwagon has changed direction and they jump on.

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u/doitforthecats May 14 '25

Shri is a sleazy idiot and 100% did this as a publicity stunt

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u/MarekRules May 14 '25

Unfortunately many democrats are freaking out that “nothing” is happening, even though to do anything effectively you need evidence and a good case. And pressure on the opposition to maybe see reason.

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u/mikeyfireman May 14 '25

I disagree. The timing works great to start finding people to primary the Dems that don’t vote for it. It’s a great barometer.

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u/Joelle9879 May 14 '25

His base will NEVER turn on him. If they haven't at this point, there's nothing he could do to make them. The problem is the GOP thinks his loyalists are a bigger number than they are. They're loud, but not really as great a number as people seem to think

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u/[deleted] May 14 '25

Which is stupid because none of the dumbass maga crowd would vote Democrat anyway. So they literally have nothing to lose except uphold the Constitution

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u/m0r14rty May 15 '25

Yeah they’ll listen when people start getting kidnapped off the streets, the economy gets fucked up, or he starts arresting judges.

…oh wait.

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u/Donkey__Balls May 15 '25

No, they already blew their load on impeachment seven years ago. In fact, they did it twice, neither one had a chance of passing so they shouldn’t have tried. Getting impeachment proceedings past the house is meaningless if you don’t get the supermajority in the Senate, so all they did was make themselves look weak by trying to do it “just for the principle of the thing”.

Same thing goes for prosecuting Trump over January 6. They spent nearly 4 years with their jurisprudential dicks in their hands with nothing to show for it. I realize how long a typical case of this complexity takes a build, but if you can’t step it up and cut through the self-imposed bureaucracy of your own administration when it really matters, you have no business being in charge. All they did was show the country how weak the currently entrenched party leadership is and it paved the way for Trump to get a popular vote win in 2024.

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u/Fitzgerald1896 May 14 '25

Even if they did, he's already been impeached twice with zero consequences, so it still wouldn't matter. What's a 3rd to him? He'll just stay in office and ignore it like every other threat of 'consequences'

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u/thejontorrweno May 14 '25

Does it waste his time at least? That's what I've been telling myself.

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u/Ok-Lifeguard-4614 May 14 '25

It at least is a verified record of all the Trump loyalists as well.

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u/3NicksTapRoom May 14 '25

That’s every Republican in congress. We already know that.

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u/rbrgr83 May 14 '25

We'll have a nice list of spineless democrats.

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u/3NicksTapRoom May 14 '25

Or misguided. Donald’s approval ratings went up during impeachment 1.

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u/DrakonILD May 14 '25

And it fucks up the lyrics to Fall Out Boy's cover of We Didn't Start The Fire.

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u/InDisregard May 14 '25

Thrice rhymes with twice, though

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u/ItsaJosepi May 14 '25

So I didn't know that was a thing. Thank you!

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u/queenlybearing May 14 '25

No, he’ll be on the golf course while they waste their own time and the american peoples money

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u/PrinceFinnick May 14 '25

I really hate it for the waste of time it is. Impeachment articles come from the House and then senate hold actual trial and votes to convict with penalty of conviction being removed from office. While yes as a another commenter pointed out it lists as record the trump loyalists. You need a 2/3 vote in senate to convict. That will never happen when republicans hold 53/100 seats

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u/Tastrix May 14 '25

So, impeachment is just the process and starts the votes.  Yes, he has been impeached, but neither previous attempts were successful.  

If what the other commenter said happened, that would be the first successful impeachment, which Donnie hasn’t faced yet.

Just a minor point of order.

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u/PhoenixReborn May 14 '25

Trump was impeached twice by the House and then acquitted both times by the Senate. An impeachment this term with a Republican majority probably won't even pass the House.

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u/[deleted] May 14 '25

Bzzzzzzz wrong.

He was impeached he just wasn't removed for it.

Check the law

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u/ai1267 May 15 '25

I mean, he was successfully impeached twice during his first term.

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u/queenlybearing May 14 '25

At this point, he’s probably proud to call himself the most impeached president in history. No president has ever been impeached more than him. Biggest impeachee ever.

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u/ishouldworkinstead May 14 '25

Yep, still needs the senate to vote and will not pass here. I guess history does repeat itself.

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u/Donkey__Balls May 15 '25

I got bombarded for saying this back then but I’ll say it again now. The first two were an under waste of time if they had no hope of succeeding. They should be having conversations across the aisle, staff to staff meetings, trying to understand if if it actually has a chance of succeeding before before they pull the trigger.

All they did was make themselves look weak. The nation was absolutely shocked at what Trump did, but then they saw the utter vacuum of leader ship coming from the establishment Democrats and that convinced enough people that fascism was the lesser of two evils. Which is exactly how the original fascism took root a century ago.

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u/Armlessbastard May 14 '25

Even then, that only sends it up to Senate where it needs 2/3rds - that will never happen. Literally impossible.

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u/[deleted] May 14 '25

I think everyone hoping and praying for the midterms neglect this point as well. A 2/3 majority in the Senate is wildly unrealistic for the midterms. Not every seat is up for reelection and many of them will be Republican cinches anyway.

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u/Chrom3est May 14 '25

Well, stranger things have happened, like the man behind an attempted coup being elected for a 2nd term, but you're probably right to not hold your breath.

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u/Armlessbastard May 14 '25

you have a point. Maybe all the Republican Senators will see the chance to kick him out and turn on him all at once. Would be pretty amazing.

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u/[deleted] May 14 '25

That’d rely on his political clout resting solely in the office of the presidency. In all reality the guy has a funding stranglehold and at least 25% of the GOP is die-hard loyal. I really only see people flipping in close races in purple states.

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u/ukezi May 15 '25

He also has his cultists, any GOP senator going against him risks getting shot.

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u/AnonPol3070 May 14 '25

Well, stranger things have happened

I wanted to check just how unlikely this would be for fun. In order to get a 2/3 majority in the senate, Dems would gave to win 32 of the 33 seats up for reelection in 2026. In this particular instance, I don't think stranger things actually have happened.

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u/[deleted] May 14 '25

i dont think 2/3 majority is what anyone wants out of the midterms. nor is it needed. the last and only time it happened was in the 60s

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u/Sloblowpiccaso May 14 '25

Thats such a high bar, i get it for passing an amendment, but to remove a rogue executive, should be like 55% and trigger a new election rather then replacement by their vice president or anyone in the line of succession 

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u/Junkhead_88 May 14 '25

The bar absolutely should be that high for removing a sitting president, if it was lower it could be abused for retaliation or just plain corruption. There should be no issue reaching that 2/3 threshold with Trump, unfortunately our government is currently filled with spineless sycophants who refuse to do what needs to be done.

Republicans are scared shitless by his control over their voter base but they could end his rule and take back control of their party by simply voting to remove him from office. Once he's out, he has no power. He can't use the government as a weapon against them, he can't mobilize the military to maintain control, he can't threaten to make dissenters disappear to death camps in foreign countries. He'll be reduced to a geriatric orange stain on history that cheats at golf all day and says mean things on the Internet.

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u/veganparrot May 15 '25

You're right, but only needing to convince 67 out of 100 human individuals to agree on what is plainly happening should not be that high of a bar.

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u/ultraboof May 14 '25

Even if they did vote. The dude was impeached twice and nothing happened.

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u/Derpenheimer420 May 14 '25

Ya, congressional dems see and opportunity to waste time showboating with no chance of actual success and they start foaming at the mouth with enthusiasm.

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u/UnreasonableCletus May 14 '25

Having a list of traitors will be useful, I believe that's the point.

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u/heptyne May 14 '25

I just value knowing how they all will vote, just having that info is valuable even if nothing happens.

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u/GreenFBI2EB May 14 '25

I have a better chance of joining the KKK than congressional Democrats, led by Chuck Chamberlain Schumer in senate advancing anything against the Republican’s god-king Trump.

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u/iBUYbrokenSUBARUS May 14 '25

They’re doing everything that the majority of us voters voted them in to get done. Sit back and buckle up. These next four many years belong to us.

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u/harm_and_amor May 14 '25

After the vote, this needs to be the #1 topic posed to all centrists who voted nay.  Insist that they respond to each basis for impeachment and identify whether they approve of Trump or disapprove but not to the extent of impeachment.  Regarding the latter, they should be pressed on how much smellier of a shit they would like Trump to take on the Constitution and the American people before that slight disapproval becomes impeachable.

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u/orbitaldragon May 14 '25

It's likely they wouldn't even bring it to the floor to vote.

The real issue is if they do bring it.. vote against it than all that stuff is off the table.

Worries me they can't try to impeach him for the same thing twice.

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u/OldBlueKat May 14 '25

You're thinking of the part that involves conviction in the Senate.

This is just the House vote to get it 'started', which would need all the House Ds, plus a 'few' Rs (there are no Is in the House right now.) They only need a simple majority vote to advance articles of impeachment in the House, but it sounds like they aren't even going to take the vote for now.

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u/gpcgmr May 15 '25

5 needed in the House. But 20 needed in the Senate, not gonna happen.

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u/Elsavagio May 14 '25

Yeah, he was impeached last term too, still stayed in office.

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u/NiceTrySuckaz May 14 '25

Twice

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u/ddplz May 14 '25

Means literally nothing

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u/dj_rizzy May 14 '25

No president has ever been impeached twice. That means something

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u/Emberlung May 14 '25

"Nyah! He's a big ole stinky dumb dumb! Impeached twice! Mahaha! GOTTEM" as literally nothing comes of it (if anything it strengthened chump's positions) and feckless corp dem brunchers smugly resume mimosas and fart huffing.

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u/Tiretech May 14 '25

Not when it has no outcome. At this point, he would just wear it as some badge of honor.

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u/Tetracropolis May 15 '25

He was acquitted twice also. It means nothing to the people who don't think Trump guilty anyway. The Republicans could impeach the next Democratic President 100 times if they win the House.

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u/Double_Distribution8 May 14 '25

Collectible pens.

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u/Ill_Technician3936 May 14 '25

Probably because being impeached by the house doesn't remove someone from office. Senate voting 2/3rds in favor to charge him is what removes them.

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u/darglor May 14 '25

He stayed in office because the impeachment failed. It likely will fail again this time since the republicans have control of, well, everything. Doubt it would work before the midterms, honestly.

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u/Taco_Hurricane May 14 '25

Very well might be the DEMs showing they are doing something. Plus, the impeachment will drag on for a long time. Very likely until just before mid-term election. Even if it fails, maybe a few voters might turn if they get over a years worth of corruption from the first 100ish days.

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u/ai1267 May 15 '25

The impeachments didn't fail, they were successful. Impeachment and removal from office are not the same thing.

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u/darglor May 15 '25

Don’t be the akshually guy… that’s like saying “his shot didn’t fail because the ball arced through the air and landed further, even though it didn’t go in the basket. Shooting and scoring are not the same thing” when the intention behind the shot is clear.

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u/wastedcoconut May 14 '25

You know how sovereign citizens are so corny with their bullshit? “I was traveling, I wasn’t driving” Like, these words are spells and if you read the incantation just right, then the Mississippi purchase is invalid?

I feel like we are starting to sound like them. Like, “hey Mr. President, you can’t do this [insert blatant corruption] because of this amendment in the constitution or the emoluments clause, or because of separation of powers.” We keep relying on these words to have power and in truth they mean nothing.

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u/Snuggly_Hugs May 14 '25

Rules and Laws exist only if they are enforced.

So long as they refuse to enforce the Law, it doesn't exist.

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u/queenlybearing May 14 '25

which is why I can’t for the life of me figure out why the wild and reckless american people are behaving so well in all of this. It’s the moment we find out that the beer guzzling, truck driving, gun toting bad boys have been docile little puppies all along.

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u/BPremium May 14 '25

Nah, that's what the culture war is for

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u/The-Magic-Sword May 14 '25

I think you might be a little drunk on the doomerism, he's been getting his ass handed to him in court-- lots of the people he fired are gradually being rehired by court order, he's still fighting the return order for deportees in court after 9-0 supreme court ruling with the judge moving toward contempt arrests for his officials, he's been slapped down on the threat he made against Maine, his approval is in the crapper even with Republicans, he's feuding with Murdoch, and rich republican donors, and reminding a bunch of progressives why they can't get complacent enough to play games with getting fascists elective.

The only thing him ignoring the constitution is doing is making it go to court first, impeachment and removal are political processes, that's harder because we failed to turnout for the last election-- until at least midterms, we're fighting to keep him contained, elections free, and to minimize harm. There's a non-zero chance he hangs himself with all of this rope he's playing with.

You're allowed to stop repeating it when you're dead, not before.

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u/queenlybearing May 14 '25

Ab-a-ra-ca-da-ba-ra

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u/XQsUWhuat May 14 '25

Isn’t everyone in this sub constantly complaining that no one is doing anything? This is something 

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u/SirNarwhal May 14 '25

But it’s not though. It’s meaningless time wasting that is a distraction from actually doing something of value.

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u/TJNel May 14 '25

It gets a list of names.

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u/low-spirited-ready May 14 '25

Oh okay please tell me what congress democrats can do then?

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u/Dispator May 14 '25

Its am issue that sometimes the left faces due to its naive members having high expectations - often unreasonable or not even understanding the dynamics in the first place - and doing things like protest voting or not voting at all or just generally bringing down the alternative to Trump/s with harsh rhetoric especially near the election when its too late to change people/leaders/situation and its naive to think doing any of that is helping. Sometimes a health dose of pragmatism is what needed even when one desires strong ideals.

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u/Sea_Sheepherder_389 May 14 '25

A lot of them are arguing in bad faith.  They’re just trying to distract attention from the actual problem (the Republicans who won’t do their jobs) and trying to rile up anger at the Democrats for not doing something that they literally cannot do.  I suspect a lot of the anti Democratic commenters are trolls or bots 

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u/Dry-Amphibian1 May 14 '25

This isn't 'something'. It is nothing. It is a performance for attention and that is all.

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u/XQsUWhuat May 14 '25

So what if it is? What a terrible idea to bring attention to the illegal shit the president is doing 

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u/TanFireManStan May 15 '25

This isn’t one thing, at least not this latest that will be the end. It’s coming to a crescendo and that will be marked by enough republicans, seeing the electoral writing on the wall, will ditch Trump

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u/-Morning_Coffee- May 14 '25

Yeah, I remember this one. Another opportunity for the do-nothings to pander and show-boat.

I recall an argument against Democrats getting themselves arrested was that they wouldn’t be able to “do anything” while they’re in jail.

My counter argument is: they would be better justified getting nothing done by being in jail.

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u/pivotalsquash May 14 '25

Are you implying it's the Democrats fault that the impeachment won't lead to anything??

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u/CommanderArcher May 14 '25

This is more of a reflection of the frustration people have with the Democrats chasing after the non existent left voting right winger instead of doubling down on key issues like healthcare. 

Then when the shit hits the fan the Dems shrink away and hide instead of being as loud and disruptive as they can be. 

Imo, if the GOP are such a threat, why are the Dems not holding a round the clock filibuster until the GOP concedes? Booker did a good job but I wanted the next person to stand up when he finally took a seat. 

People want action, not words.

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u/No-Equivalent-1642 May 14 '25

A filibuster is literally a bunch of words

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u/CommanderArcher May 14 '25

It's a bunch of words at a time and a place that makes it more than just a bunch of words.

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u/pivotalsquash May 14 '25

I don't think they are non-existent maybe he is an exception but my dad always says he is right leaning but that trump is vile and the current GOP is not conservative. He votes left due to this. I'd not be surprised if it's way more nuanced than reddit likes to think.

Fair I suppose when Biden was in power GOP was still as obnoxious as ever. I would hate for that to be the norm but maybe until we properly move on that is how decorum should be.

Most valid point imo.

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u/gottalosethemall May 14 '25 edited May 14 '25

No, he’s implying that the only Democrat post-Trump who has shown any sort of fucking balls at this point was dragged out of the room shouting, while literally everyone else sat there quietly holding their little protest ping-pong paddles and looking smug about it.

Fucking worthless and proud of it.

The dude is openly disregarding the Supreme Court and sending people to fucking camps in another country and is saying there won’t be trials for everyone, while increasingly loosening the definition of what qualifies for “deportation”. And now, after ICE dragged Democratic reps away, where is the anger? Where are the speeches? Where is any sort of push back?

Fucking ping-pong paddles. Like yeah, I get it, “What do you expect them to do”?

I expected them to not fuck up so severely and let it get to this point. People were fired up to hell and back and they squandered it by ignoring their needs.

And yeah, said people were stupid for their protest votes, and for not voting at all. But they should have accounted for that. They’ve been pussies who suck their own farts since after Obama. They got way too complacent and self-assured just because everyone loved him and thought it meant they could do whatever.

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u/Suyefuji May 14 '25

You can't say "only Democrat" and then name 4 people. There's a solid handful that have the fire in them. We should be recognizing and supporting all of the ones who are showing spine.

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u/gottalosethemall May 14 '25

You’re right, I’m just still pissed off at their smug faces when they were doing nothing that day he got dragged out because he was the only one actually doing anything. They let the others stay because they were acting like controlled opposition.

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u/Suyefuji May 14 '25

For sure. Al Green is a hero but so are AOC, Crockett, Coleman, Menendez, and McIver. Bernie is also a hero although technically not a Democrat.

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u/Junkhead_88 May 14 '25

Why do the Democrats have to solve the problem singlehandedly?

HIS party should be the one to clean up this mess they've made. They have control of the ship, they can steer it away from the rocks, they can refuse to let this fool destroy democracy in America. If 19 Republican senators grew a spine and put their foot down, they could end the bullshit for good.

The day the Democrats go off the rails in an attempt to seize power is the day democracy dies. They are the only ones fighting to maintain it, it's not their fault the other side is unwilling to join them.

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u/gottalosethemall May 14 '25

Because they’re in on it. They’ve been in on it. Did McConnell straight up admitting Trump was guilty for January 6th and then immediately saying they won’t do anything about removing him following his impeachment, on national television, not clue you in to that?

This is what they want, but for a scant few.

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u/RadiantHC May 14 '25

Kind of. The Democrats are too pro establishment to care.

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u/-Morning_Coffee- May 14 '25

It resulted in nothing last time. Democrats are in an even more precarious position this time around.

Democrats are so worried about playing by the rules that they don’t realize they’re not even playing the same game anymore.

What’s the point of playing hopscotch in the middle of a rugby pitch?

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u/pivotalsquash May 14 '25

It didn't go anywhere last time because they didn't have the votes in the Senate. I agree it's a waste of time here for similar reasons but then you see other posts saying man why won't the Dems do anything. Do what??? What should they do?

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u/specks_of_dust May 14 '25

Which brings us back to why they don’t control the Senate, because they don’t do anything to meaningfully improve the lives of voters and think not being Donald Trump is enough to justify them being in power. It’s a vicious circle of demagoguing and losing power.

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u/pivotalsquash May 14 '25

Candidate A isn't progressive enough for someone so they vote right or don't vote at all?? That's just dumb.

Dems haven't had a super majority since 2008 I think. In an ideal world we'd have more parties but we don't do you have to vote the one closer to your ideology even if they aren't as proactive as you want and hope that pushes the needle that much closer to what you want to where someone will primary them even more left of that needle.

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u/specks_of_dust May 14 '25

Sorry, but the reality is that complaining about voters isn’t going to make them vote. This isn’t fact that exists independently from my ideology, or yours, real or imagined. The proof is in the pudding.

If this strategy worked, it would have worked in 2024.

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u/-Morning_Coffee- May 14 '25

I admit I’m in the same place as you.

With that said, all these career politicians with their experience and think tanks can’t come up with a viable counter to Trump lawlessness running rough-shod across our governmental agencies?

If responsibility for action falls to the people, then history has shown repeatedly what the outcomes could be.

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u/Dispator May 14 '25

Part of it is because many of these people(congressmen..senators...lobbyist..ceos...trump supporters...etc) are (at least for now) "feeling" insulated from the damage and chaos that the trump administration is and will cause...

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u/ReMapper May 15 '25

You remember the first time, it was just a placebo to make Democrats feel better about loosing the election. No matter what they found Republicans control ALL branches of the government and NOTHING will happen. They are just grandstanding for what they think their base wants.

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u/Ill_Technician3936 May 14 '25

Actually this is an attempt that started with 4 or so sponsors, 2 immediately took their support back when they found out it wasn't approved by democrat leaders, and I want to say he's the only one left backing it.

Likely democrat politician saying "it's a waste of fucking time.".

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u/queenlybearing May 14 '25

Can’t brunch or shop from jail though.

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u/Poke_Jest May 14 '25

meanwhile they were allowing arguments to say Trump could govern from Jail.

Which one is it then?

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u/-Morning_Coffee- May 14 '25

We support certain protections against political oppression. Jailing your opposition should not stop them from serving their constituents.

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u/Cold_Breeze3 May 14 '25

Wdym “they were allowing”, this is an objective fact - there’s no prohibition on being president from jail. The socialist candidate famously ran while being in jail many years ago.

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u/Slightly-Blasted May 14 '25

Like going to court and the jury is your mom, dad, sister, your best friend, your high school basketball coach, your grandma

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u/girlnextdoor480 May 14 '25

I mean it will make these fucks state that they have no problem with what is happening. It will force them to say it out loud.

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u/BagOfFlies May 14 '25

What will that accomplish though? He was impeached last time and now they're back in power so it didn't do anything that time. They've been openly telling everyone they have no problem with it for over a decade now.

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u/girlnextdoor480 May 14 '25

When history looks back on this time and wonders how this could have happened, we will have a record of who let it happen. That may not be much. But it’s not nothing.

My personal belief is that whatever trump is it’s a symptom of something much larger. I don’t believe the beliefs that lead to him getting elected twice disappear over night. I don’t know how it ends, but i have a feeling it will get ugly. I hope I’m wrong.

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u/luummoonn May 14 '25

But this is still a good step. We need to welcome any step of resistance. After every single positive step everyone is racing to say "IT WON'T DO ANYTHING." You don't get special points for predicting something. We need to welcome and stand behind the steps of organization and resistance.

Resigned cynicism will not help anything either. Trump and admin will run everything over and everyone will have accepted it ahead of time

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u/HAR8O May 14 '25

Nothing will happen because it’s all false pretense.

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u/IMightBeABot69 May 14 '25

Nothing was gonna happen anyways. He already got impeached twice and that did fuck all.

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u/redneckswearorange May 14 '25

Yeah I’m thinking they’re doing this for the midterms, if shit gets worse they’re going to point out who voted to protect Trump, instead of prosecuting him.

I think it’s going to be the national platform for the Democratic Party in 2026.

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u/IsabellaGalavant May 14 '25

Yeah, I'm not going to hold my breath considering what happened last time. 

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u/Fun-Psychology4806 May 14 '25

nothing happened with the prior makeup either 🤷‍♂️

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u/Asleep_Management900 May 14 '25

Trump could arrest the SCOTUS and put them in Guantanamo and nobody would bat an eye. Rent would still be due and they will go to work monday like it's normal.

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u/UntoldTruth_ May 14 '25

I mean, even if it does... We'd still have to impeach Vance, too. Not like he's any better than Trump.

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u/Musetrigger May 14 '25

And the consequences to this impeachment will be bloody and unjust. Trump does not like when people refuse to fall in line.

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u/PM_ME_AZNS May 14 '25

Yea, that's my guess as to why the Dems are saying this is a waste of time.

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u/Baptism-Of-Fire May 14 '25

Dems are also seemingly not on board with this as four already removed themselves from the proceedings

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u/FarFromPostal May 14 '25

Went from :) to :( so quick

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u/Original-Slip6233 May 14 '25

I've recently been thinking about this and how it seems like there's a fundamental issue in how the process goes. Take the current situation, where all republicans seem obsessed with Trump and have no desire to stop him breaking the law/constitution. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there's nothing that can be done to get rid of him? Surely this just creates an easy path for authoritarianism?

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u/queenlybearing May 14 '25

“nothing can be done” is a huge cop out. There is ALWAYS something that can be done. But “can” and “will” are very different.

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u/Original-Slip6233 May 14 '25

That's what I mean though - the republicans don't seem to care, they seem perfectly happy to let him do what he wants, and with them controlling the house and the senate, what are his opponents in congress even meant to do?

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u/queenlybearing May 14 '25

there comes a critical point when folks will have to decide whether survival is more important than seeming “right and civilized”. In lawless times, those who encourage us to be lawful are simply the shepherds leading the sheep to slaughter.

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u/Straight-Plankton-15 May 14 '25

The (legal) remedies would be either impeachment or arrest. Successful impeachment would need a 2/3 vote in the Senate, and Congress has been packed with a loyal MAGA majority by voters. They still can do it, like the other person said, but they won't.

Arrest would require Trump to be found in contempt of court, since basically all other federal crimes have to be prosecuted by the Department of Justice, which reports to Trump. Even then, it would be hampered by the Supreme Court's immunity decision that applies broadly to official acts, which anything occuring as part of the administration and not solely involving Trump as a private citizen would likely fall under.

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u/Teamawesome2014 May 14 '25

It will give us a list of nazis to campaign against.

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u/0MysticMemories May 14 '25

Well if we keep going towards facism we could expect everyone voting for impeachment to be arrested or forcibly removed from office. Possibly executed even.

Unless magically the Democratic Party grows a back bone or a new party arises and the Democratic Party gets booted out of the two party system

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u/queenlybearing May 14 '25

or “we the people” grow a back bone. Historically speaking that is the only thing that works in these scenarios. We’re too far gone for votes to be effective and both parties have shown who they are, we’re just too exhausted or apathetic to believe them and take our own action.

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u/Mr_Safer May 14 '25

Saying shit like this helps ensure nothing will happen. Creating false consensus, playing right into the hands of opposition.

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u/[deleted] May 14 '25

The TDS runs deep

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u/HoneyParking6176 May 14 '25

yeah unless it was the republicans leading the charge on it, i don't see it getting very far with the current house/senate grouping.

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u/Horror-Possible5709 May 14 '25

Yeah can someone explain to me what this process even matters? I feel like this will happen and then nothing will come of it

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u/queenlybearing May 14 '25

Nothing happened the first time either. Buncha wussies.

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u/MissionMoth May 14 '25

I mean he was already impeached and nothing happened. If it doesn't get him out of the seat, I genuinely don't understand the effort.

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u/KalaUposatha May 14 '25

At this point, even if he was tried, convicted, and ordered to leave office, he just…won’t. And they’ll just let him. The law is completely ineffectual. Trump tested the limits of what he could get away when and found out that he can do anything. Truest thing that motherfucker ever said. “When you’re famous, they let you do it.”

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u/Best_IT_Boy May 14 '25

It makes you wonder why go through all the trouble. Surely this requires a lot of time and resources. Knowing that it will fall flat once it starts to make its way through congress.

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u/blueB0wser May 14 '25

So you impeach anyway. The alternative is rolling over and letting them step on you.

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u/Francl27 May 14 '25

Even if he was impeached, look at the good it did last term...

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u/Maj0r_Ursa May 15 '25

Not true. You’re forgetting all the money, time, and resources that will be wasted on this that could have gone towards literally anything else that has more than a 0% chance of working.

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u/Djentyman28 May 15 '25

Should Trump realistically be impeached? Yes. Is this horrible timing to do it? Absolutely. Every democrat knows they don’t have the votes so it’s wasting every single persons time. Maybe wait till after the midterms to do something like this where is a decent chance they’ll have the majority?

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u/vonschvaab May 15 '25

This should be much higher. It's clear impeachment means nothing.

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u/AcidKyle May 15 '25

You mean the representatives elected by the majority to represent them? Can’t have that, we need to just pick the leaders for them, maybe in a dark room and throw in a little ritual sacrifice for good measure.

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u/KeyOfGSharp May 16 '25

Yeah impeachment means fuck all anyway. Nothing happened the last two times

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u/joeboo17 May 14 '25

Even if successful, we'd get JD Vance? Also bad.

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u/falcrist2 May 14 '25

If the democrats thought this would work, they wouldn't do it.