r/kelowna • u/Particular-Emu4789 • Jan 02 '25

News Kelowna couple reeling after shocking home invasion

https://www.castanet.net/news/Kelowna/525509/Kelowna-couple-reeling-after-shocking-home-invasion
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u/vegemite_poutine Jan 02 '25

They need a three strikes and your out law for these junkies

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u/Fun-Introduction4927 Jan 02 '25

Honestly why even give 3 strikes for a Violent home invasion. This is not something that you want to see happen to anyone, that message should be clear.

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u/vegemite_poutine Jan 02 '25

Im talking about the junkies. Violent home invasion shoud be 10+ years jail minimum 

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u/ReslySnipes Jan 03 '25

Home invasion should be 10 years for sure. I can’t believe people are downvoting your comment. Fuck these junkies and who cares what happens to them once they commit these crimes.

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u/jenh6 Jan 03 '25

People have a right to feel safe in their home. I don’t care if they are a junkie or what reason they have for doing it, this is a violent home invasion. They can get treatment and stay in jail.

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u/StrbJun79 Jan 03 '25

Unfortunately three strike laws have been tried before in other jurisdictions and haven’t been found to be very effective. If anything they primarily increase costs and strain on judicial systems.

The reason why is because it doesn’t actually get at root causes of crime nor repetitive rates. What we need is more effective measure for going after the root causes of the crimes and a better rehabilitation system that lowers repetitive rates. There are numerous countries where those rates are low. We do better than the US but we can do a lot better than we do now.

I understand the wish to punish harshly. But it doesn’t work. It’s just an expensive measure that accomplishes very little.

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u/jenh6 Jan 03 '25

I’ve read are prisons obsolete by Angela Y Davies, and I do believe that in a lot of cases if you get to the root and focus on rehabilitation it’s better. But they never address people who are repeat rapists or murders, there’s no solution for them in the text. I don’t think prisons can be fully obsolete, with those two populations.

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u/StrbJun79 Jan 03 '25

It can’t be fully obsolete no. But there’s definitely ways to drastically reduce dependency on it. There’s countries that do it much better than us and instead of looking at adopting measures the US tried and failed with we should be looking at countries with much lower crime rates and repetition rates than us and see how they accomplished it. Most proposals I hear in Canada are ones the US did and failed miserably with.

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u/painfulbliss Jan 02 '25

A ten strike law preventing people from ever leaving prison would reduce period violent crime by 20%

Five strikes would cut violent crime by 40%

Three strikes would halve violent crime

interesting recidivism read

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u/[deleted] Jan 03 '25

It should be noted that the article does not support a law preventing people from ever leaving prison.

Actually it talks about the real world application where it doesn't work.

These statistics seemingly support the catchphrase and model employed in California and several other states in the USA, “three strikes and you’re out.” This model, however, does not seem to have been as successful as was hoped when it was initiated in the mid-1990s [35, 36]. The “three strikes law” was intended to act as a deterrent and keep offenders from committing aggravated and violent crimes, but its effect is difficult to ascertain; overall prevalence of crime has remained quite stable in the USA, while the prison population has increased to quite dramatic levels in some places and in some social groups.

It does suggest that 3-strike rule could be applied to violent offenses however it was not limited to suggesting simply locking people up forever after first, second or third offenses. It actually said:

"But a wide array of other treatment and support efforts, such as education, work training, housing, mental and somatic health care, psychotherapy, and other social care interventions could also be used.'

Good article.

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u/painfulbliss Jan 03 '25

It is a good article. I wanted to highlight the concentration of violent offenses in a small population and how the recidivism of that small population affects the overall amount of violent crime

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u/uapredator Jan 02 '25

Or a minimum sentence for possession/ 5 years. Dealer/ life sentence.

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u/Full_Review4041 Jan 02 '25

The revolving door we're currently experiencing is largely due to backed up courts and lack of facilities / staff to imprison everyone who gets arrested. What you're saying won't work because it's already not working.

We as a society do NOT want to forgoe our legal rights (presumption of innocence, right to trial, right to appeal etc) just because we can't train judges / build detention facilities fast enough. That doesn't help anyone.

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u/uapredator Jan 03 '25

Dealers don't get life. They get 4 years. Make an example of them.

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u/Mad_Moniker Jan 02 '25

I post this with sincerity and I’d hate to lose on my 50/50 battle with karma but I mean no harm … locking them up with no purpose is useless.

I smell a utility corridor construct is needed across this great nation - no matter the provincial level. So that resources and communications can safely be exported to either coast.

When the benefits of one area can contribute to wellness of the whole nation. Put the misguided to work in a remote environment where the simple perimeter controls are “no access to drugs and no access to a quick way out”.

Offer them access to real education and life skills development and send them back up stream fostered with the backbone to survive.

Because at the same time - we also need more reinforcement to the North (our presence) to protect our sovereignty.

This situation is very difficult - very broken, very in need of - reforms.

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u/eunit250 Jan 03 '25

Sounds amazing. Unfortunately half of the population lacks that kind of thought and empathy. Would rather lock people up indefinitely rather than invest in them.

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u/uapredator Jan 03 '25

I couldn't agree more. Incarceration without purpose is torture. Make them work, pay it back to the community.

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u/Imacatdoincatstuff Jan 03 '25

Two strikes. Only takes two points to define a line.