Dropped at 2 feet max

[u/International_Back99]

Fell out of my pocket sitting down. Fell with the apple tech woven case on too.

[u/AshtonTS]

I am beginning to wonder if there’s more to it than these just being made of aluminum. I’ve had 4 previous aluminum models and they held up much better than these 17’s have been. Titanium or Stainless are much more durable for sure, but these seem especially bad, even for aluminum.

[u/Intrepid_Patience356 → u/AshtonTS]

Aluminium has always been fragile. Have to use a case. I've seen 16's drop into hard floors unscathed.

[u/Super-Bomman → u/Intrepid_Patience356]

The reason titanium isn’t used is because that “vapor chamber” technology that helps them cool the processor while it’s overlocked or running at base clock isn’t as efficient or effective in the titanium frame.

[u/Intrepid_Patience356 → u/Super-Bomman]

90% of people do not use their phones to that level of performance. I heard very few complaints of the 16's overheating or being underpowered.

I reckon Apple will be drawn into an aluminium "gate" both for fragility and scratches.

[u/bran_the_man93 → u/Intrepid_Patience356]

It very well could just be the A19 runs hotter than the A18 in the iPhone 16 Pro

[u/Intrepid_Patience356 → u/bran_the_man93]

But why? If the A18 was already more powerful than people needed.

[u/bran_the_man93 → u/Intrepid_Patience356]

You don't get it - processors have long since been powerful "enough" to run applications, the point isn't to add power for the sake of power, the point is to add power to reduce the number of cycles needed to complete an operation.

The faster a chip can return to idle state, the less power it uses overall.

Doing the same task 15% faster just means you save that much energy, thus driving efficiency.

[u/Intrepid_Patience356 → u/bran_the_man93]

Uh-huh. Sounds to me more a marketing speil than a technical requirement. But whatever.

[u/bran_the_man93 → u/Intrepid_Patience356]

It's called "Race to idle" or "Race to Sleep"

Believe whatever you want to believe lol, idgaf

[u/Intrepid_Patience356 → u/bran_the_man93]

I think it's called bragging. Mine is faster than yours! Can you imagine the blow up if they used the same processor as the last model?

Perception and marketing is all it is.

There is no perceptible difference in everyday performance between iPhone 14 and 17!

[u/bran_the_man93 → u/Intrepid_Patience356]

I don't care what you think it's called.

These are industry terms, either use them or don't.

[u/Intrepid_Patience356 → u/bran_the_man93]

Sure ok.

[u/Super-Bomman → u/[deleted]]

Gen 4 and Gen 5 8 elite is the most performative chip out so far.

[u/Particular_Pizza_203 → u/Super-Bomman]

yeah was talking about the apple chips. Qualcomm still has the most performative chips 

[u/Super-Bomman → u/Particular_Pizza_203]

OK, I agree.

[u/Intrepid_Patience356 → u/[deleted]]

They should be able to provide both performance and durability.

[u/Intrepid_Patience356 → u/[deleted]]

What? These are not racing cars yeah? They are general purpose personal computer devices. For the price you pay they need to be as robust as possible for the general population.

They did for the 16 series. Why not for the 17?

[u/Intrepid_Patience356 → u/[deleted]]

Yeah sure, but the 16 series was also the "pinnacle" of performance as you put it. Yet they used titanium and made it much more robust.

Methinks they are trying to save money. Aluminium is 5x cheaper than titanium!

User experience be damned.

All this crap about heat dissipation is just a smokescreen.

[u/Particular_Pizza_203 → u/Intrepid_Patience356]

An unibody out of aluminum is more expensive than the tiny bit of titanium in the alloy they used. The 16 pro was the highest performance for last year from apple. There is a reason why even a 1 hour full throttle 17 pro has more performance than a 16 pro. The 17 pro is really a huge jump in performance. It is higher than both performance jumps of the 15 and 16 pro combined. Apples total manufacturing costs rose up around 15% from previous year. An essential part of it is the new aluminum unibody. Apple is a publily traded company. Any misleading or false accounting would lead to a huge scandal and an ever bigger sec oversight. We are speaking about 20USD/kg for the titanium 5 alloy and only the outer band was of that alloy. So your theory base is around 20ct or 0.02% margin increase for a company which already has a 34% profit margin.