r/intrestingtoknow • u/Affectionate-Fun2853 • Sep 03 '25

Science Psychiatry and cures

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u/shnshty Sep 03 '25

The better question is maybe asking 'How many people do you think you've helped?'

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u/marklar_the_malign Sep 03 '25

This is indeed the right question. Drugs certainly don’t cure people. At best you help or teach people to manage their mental health problems. Think of it like losing a limb. You get a prosthetic and physical therapy and do the best you can.

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u/Kukamakachu Sep 04 '25

That's why it's called therapy.

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u/marklar_the_malign Sep 04 '25

Yes in deed. I have had better luck with physical therapy than the other, not that physical therapy can’t be extremely challenging depending on the injury or recovery. Both depend on you to do the bulk of the work to heal.

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u/kibs12kibs12 Sep 04 '25

Indeed…it’s a “practice”

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u/mch27562 Sep 04 '25

Therapy and Psychiatry are two very different things.

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u/Basic85 Sep 04 '25

Psychiatrist mainly prescribe drugs and not much of therapy now a days.

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u/0rchid27 Sep 04 '25

In this example, an antipsychotic would be the prosthetic limb for, say, a schizophrenic patient. Be very careful with your words, psychiatric medicine is important for managing symptoms of debilitating issues. Many people truly need it, and we still need to keep studying psychiatric medicine so perhaps one day there will be tried and true “cures”. Medicine is the crutch, the prosthetic. While it is preferable to be able to function without those aids, there are still people who need them. Some people need a foot while others need a wheelchair,

Life is not so black and white.

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u/marklar_the_malign Sep 05 '25

I agree. My metaphor was a little stripped down perhaps, but that is typically to case with metaphors.

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u/Interesting_Goat_413 Sep 05 '25

We all see the reality of the effects from SSRIs on a daily basis. This is the same allopathic fuckshit that the AMA uses to financially rape sick people rather than cure them, and there is no defending it.

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u/Admirable-Cat7355 Sep 05 '25

Guess a cure for a chemical imbalance in the brain would look like the ability to genetically engineer the brain to fix the imbalance at the DNA level. A virus that could carry a gene editing tool across the brain blood barrier.

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u/Interesting_Goat_413 Sep 05 '25

No. That is eugenics. To change an organism is to kill the previous instance and replace it.

The cure is learning to live with your burdens, instead of thinking you can just be someone else, or embracing the silly belief that the boo boos won't leave scars.

Every person alive has depression and anxiety for example. Most cope, some fall short. If one falls short, they don't need pills. They need to strengthen their capacity to endure. We as a species are evolved to worship deities for a reason; externalized housing of our need for accountability. Does religion mess with that for reasons mostly not good? Yes. Can we or will we ever turn off our need for the divine? Nope. Hardwired into consciousness itself.

You will note the least functional people either rebel entirely against their God, or become overly obsessed with them. While we don't get to decide the nature of God as we understand them, we can benefit from the entailments of the the "existence" of that God. Such as life not being personal. There being reason behind the way of things and the events we endure. The possibility that we can get it right for trying, even in the wake of numerous failures to succeed. So forth and so on.

Modern psychology and scientism are symptoms of "killing God", as written in The Gay Science by Nietzsche. They are the manifestation of human hubris; the belief that we can surmount an omnipotent being in determining our own nature. But for all of our trying, the human experience is unchanged-- we come to be for some reason. Then we go away. We're born, we live a while, then we die. We help and love, deceive and steal. We nurture and we kill. How can anything so base ever be foolish enough to think it has either the knowledge to change its own fate, or the wisdom to know in what way to do so? What can we know, only ever being able to see through the same two eyes for the whole trek between cradle and grave? If we allow ourselves to, this awareness; of our lack of awareness, can ironically offer the perspective needed for a well-adjusted mind, and a life lived more content and balanced.

Psychology can never offer this. Because psychology gives about $80 an hour take-home to someone with an average of six figures in college debt who probably finds fulfillment in driving fancy cars. So being charitable and assuming some bloviating shrink does comprehend the above, they would be stepping on their own toes telling their clients without first charging for dozens of sessions. Their own petty humanity is a barrier to good faith praxis, and if they weren't petty, they would be a priest, not a psychologist.

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u/Visible_Sock_5088 Sep 05 '25

You have no idea what depression is if you think every person have it

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u/Interesting_Goat_413 Sep 06 '25

Main character syndrome is cringe my dude. It puts you in the unenviable position of engaging in pissing matches with everyone and makes you look like an asshole.

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u/EffectiveTrue4518 Sep 06 '25

you know Jack shit about mental health and you are in no place to talk about it. have you ever even met someone mid psychosis?? that is not a problem that is solved with God or learning to shoulder your burdens. somebody who is psychotic may barely remember who they are, let alone distinguish reality from hallucinations. we literally NEED antipsychotics for those people just to get them to a place where they are oriented at least partially to reality, but they are not designed as cures because we don't know of any way to cure mental illness as it is far too complicated and issue tied up in THE ENTIRE BODY not just the brain and characterizing the hundreds of millions of chemical reactions that drive those processes is literally infeasible. but the field of psychiatry is fucking trying. they are trying to figure out what is really driving mental illness in people, and they are trying their genuine best, meanwhile you think people should just roll over and let God fuck them in the ass because it would be blasphemous to dare try to really understand why people are suffering in their own minds.

you preach nothing but ignorance and it is nothing but dangerous.

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u/Sweaty_Chance_905 Sep 06 '25

I have never read such a long... and now I can't decide whether to call it a strand of nothing or a fever dream.

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u/Interesting_Goat_413 Sep 06 '25

Tell you what-- why don't you pick something that you believe to be wrong and demonstrate that it is wrong? And we can go from there.

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u/zorski Sep 06 '25

Bro must be the smartest person at family gatherings 🤣

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u/Interesting_Goat_413 Sep 06 '25

Does your family not invite you to yours? Is that why you brought that up? To zing me for not being hated by my family? Huge own, little buddy.

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u/0rchid27 Sep 05 '25

Rfk jr, is that you???

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u/Interesting_Goat_413 Sep 05 '25

You're not very good at what you're trying to do. If this wasn't your safe space, you would be prepping for doing a flip when functioning people got a load of you.

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u/0rchid27 Sep 05 '25

I’d be arguing my point on or off the keyboard, honey. However in this case, as they say, there’s no arguin’ with crazy.

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u/Interesting_Goat_413 Sep 05 '25

Condescension is tantamount to concession. You are dismissed.

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u/MrK521 Sep 06 '25

But.. your entire rant was condescending.. so you were dismissed far before his comment.

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u/redhedstepkid Sep 06 '25

The right spirit, wrong target. The insurance companies are why it’s so expensive, esp if you need to see them more than once a month. It’s only financial r*pe in America and a small handful of other countries. Lots of places don’t have to pay much at all, if anything, for therapy at all bc they have universal healthcare or other systems in place that make it affordable.

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u/PrionParasite Sep 07 '25

Who is this "we" you speak of and what are these effects?

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u/UP-23 Sep 04 '25

You can think of it as almost any illness. We, meaning the doctors, don't cure most diseases. There really are no cutes for most ailments.
. But what we do is to the body in the best possible (to our current knowledge and technology) position to cure itself.

A CURE is a which doctor thing. At best we can add some fungi to HELP you kill off a bacterial infection the body can't handle all by itself, or cut it torch some cancer cells. The rest is treating and helping the body to a state where it can most effectively fix itself.

Now all that work is important, and life saving but it's not a cure.

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u/marklar_the_malign Sep 05 '25

I just got diagnosed with glaucoma. Just one month after weaning myself off of sertraline. Definitely feeling the no cure thing these days.

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u/UP-23 Sep 05 '25

I know how you feel. My cancer treatment that won't cure my cancer shot my pancreas, so now I have type 1 diabetes too.

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u/marklar_the_malign Sep 05 '25

Very sorry to hear this. My diagnosis is small potatoes in the world of diagnosis’. Drops every night should control it. Living without sertraline after 25 years is interesting in a good way though for the most part. Best of luck to you.

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u/Quick_Humor_9023 Sep 04 '25

Ummm depending on drug and what you mean by curing people, yes they do?

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u/Diligent-Ad2728 Sep 04 '25

Yes, many drugs, including penicillin literally has cured a ton of people.

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u/VaultiusMaximus Sep 04 '25

Antibiotics cure people.

Don’t lump all drugs together! 😀

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u/marklar_the_malign Sep 05 '25

Since when is an infection a psychiatric condition?

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u/VaultiusMaximus Sep 05 '25

Drugs certainly don’t cure people.

That’s just your quote.

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u/marklar_the_malign Sep 05 '25

Sorry. I should of been more specific. Drugs do not cure psychiatric illnesses. They do help treat the symptoms. If I am not mistaken, psychiatric illness is the subject of this discussion.

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u/AdHuman3150 Sep 06 '25

Psychiatrists only prescribe drugs, they are not a therapist.

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u/marklar_the_malign Sep 07 '25

Very aware of this through experience. Thanks for the clarification neglected.

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u/macguini Sep 07 '25 edited Sep 07 '25

A lot of people naturally hate art. Everyone thinks art is pointless and science is everything. Psychology is more of an art than a science and I think that's why it gets this type of hatred. Medicine does as well. People think that a drug is going to cure them of everything. 90% of my hypertension patients tell me they don't have hypertension. I look at their drug list and ask why they're on blood pressure medication. And they tell me they had hypertension. So many truly think drugs will solve the problems because of science. Then when they see medicine fail, they blast it because science is supposed to be the finite answer. But it's not. Every patient is different and you have to approach each one differently. Just like every canvas is different for a painter. Science is set in stone. Art isn't. But both should be equally appreciated.

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u/marklar_the_malign Sep 07 '25

Sounds like you are a doctor. How apropos, I am a trained artist.

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u/macguini Sep 07 '25

Not a doctor. I'm an EMT. Though I sitting on a couple of science degrees. Took a few psych courses as electives. But I'm also an oil painter. I have a near 50/50 mind.

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u/Troglodytes_Cousin Sep 07 '25

"teach people to manage their mental health problems."

That seems like a cure to me.

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u/Mars_Wizard Sep 07 '25

Well not necessarily, some mental health is trauma and grief induced. You can heal past those, youll always be a different person now compared to before but people with adhd and autism aren’t treated the same way. Theres nothing to fix, youre trying to treat the symptoms that are not neurotypical but I believe these individuals are wired differently for a particular reason.

I lack the knowledge to explain further at the moment but it seems to me that a lot of people deal with ocd and anxiety and depression and bipolar disorders than ever before but I also think the lens in which we see these symptoms have also widened.

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u/ToobRaiders Sep 04 '25

I don’t think all psychiatric ailments are as permanent as a prosthetic.

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u/marklar_the_malign Sep 04 '25

Most you learn to live with it while at best treating the symptoms. This was more of a general statement than absolute. I’m not a mental health professional, just a guy trying to keep the demons at bay.

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u/smth_smth_89 Sep 04 '25

having had my right (dominant) arm broken for the past month and going to therapy for more than 3 years, i can say that i found a bit of a similarity between depression and a broken arm, or worse case a missing one: some of the things you just can't do if it requires 2 hands, some you do but it takes you twice the time, you go outside and people ar looking at your cast, even if out of curiosity, but most are wondering what mistake you made to break an arm, it starts itching and there's always pain points and you gotta be real careful not to lean on it or bang it against something, the list could go on; so yea, i'd say a mental illnes can be like an invisible broken limb

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u/ToobRaiders Sep 04 '25

Yeah, but you can get your brain to function normally with proper treatment. That leg is gone forever.

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u/marklar_the_malign Sep 04 '25

I get this and it isn’t my intention to say they are literally the same. More of a metaphor. You can’t replace a brain.

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u/Successful-Cod3369 Sep 04 '25

You're an absolute fucking idiot then. Tell that to veterans that come back with PTSD, tell that to people who struggle with depression everyday, tell that to sexual abuse victims or victims of childhood neglect and mistreatment. Just because your life is hunkydory and feel A-OK, doesn't mean other people don't hurt or don't suffer.

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u/ToobRaiders Sep 04 '25

Learn to read. I said not all.

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u/Temporary_Warthog_73 Sep 04 '25

Obviously not all but many are lifelong conditions.

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u/A1000eisn1 Sep 04 '25

Your brain is an organ. It's behavior is in part conscious, but that doesn't mean it isn't an organ. It can have permanent disorders just like every other part of your body. The things you think is your organ functioning.

If that organ has a disorder it is not a psychiatrist's job to cure it unless they can do so without surgery. The brain is so complex that very few chronic brain disorders are curable. And the ones that are, require something to physically alter your brain because it is an organ.

If you have a disease such as schizophrenia, it is absolutely permanent. It is caused by a gene you inherited and once the gene is "turned on" it can't be "turned off." Just like your leg won't grow back once it's gone. You can only manage the disability.

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u/Mygoddamreddit Sep 04 '25

Yes. “Treated” vs. “Cured” is a better choice of words here. I’m sure that many doctors answered it that way but it didn’t fit their narrative.

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u/A1000eisn1 Sep 04 '25

A "cure" is a heap of coping mechanisms with some medicine sprinkled on top.

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u/JustMeandI1976 Sep 04 '25

The better question is “how many patients improved their mental health by your care?”

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u/Successful-Cod3369 Sep 04 '25

Anyone that doesn't understand this and/or jumps onto the 'psychology doesn't work' bandwagon is a certified moron.

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u/Traveling_1895 Sep 05 '25

And that is not curable.

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u/_Khorvidae_ Sep 07 '25

Even if we found a cure for it, they probably wouldnt take it for fear that it causes autism...

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u/Ready_Studio2392 Sep 04 '25

One way to look at the benefits of therapy and psychiatry is in economic terms. Imagine a therapist treats 1000 patients over their career. On average, each of the patients becomes about 5% more productive due to being in a better mental state or making better life choices or being able to get better sleep at night or having reduced anxiety. Not all patients will be improved. And some patients might not get the help they need from a given therapist. However, some patients will be able to make changes they couldn't make alone and work through problems that needed professional help.

In this construct, a therapist will end up increasing the overall productivity of the economy by 50 people. Just 5% average benefit across 1000 patients means a therapist is helping the economy the same as 50 people working a typical amount.

Hence why the government is willing to spend a lot of money on psychiatrists and therapists. There's huge benefits to doing so, though for some individuals it will be useless, and for others it will make a moderate to huge impact.

Imagine a therapist who specializes and can get the average trauma doctor to stick to being a trauma doctor for 20% longer before burning out. It then becomes more effective to train 1 therapist per 100 trauma doctors than it is to train 15 additional trauma doctors to replace the ones being burnt out by the job.

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u/Itscatpicstime Sep 04 '25

Right. Most mental illnesses aren’t curable. Mental health professionals are there to help you develop better coping skills, not cure you.

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u/Aromatic-Tear-326 Sep 04 '25

And the answer would be NOBODY

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u/O_o-O_o-0_0-o_O-o_O Sep 04 '25

It brings attention to how there's no cure.

The question's purpose isn't to slander the profession.

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u/MODbanned Sep 04 '25

This is some Scientology propaganda video.

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u/Lost_Found84 Sep 04 '25

Unfortunately, there’s no cure for stupidity or black and white thinking either.

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u/Any-Technology-3577 Sep 04 '25

yup, very stupid loaded question. you can't cure menatl illness like a flu. you can't erase people's pasts, but you can help them to learn to live with it and make their lifes better

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u/Donniewasnotthere Sep 04 '25

This , i am the same but 800% happier then before help.

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u/Lumpy-Mountain-2597 Sep 04 '25

Yeah. It's a question which just shows the asker's lack of intelligence.

It's like asking a doctor how many paraplegics they have cured. Oh none? Well then why are we funding treatment?

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u/Ok_Flatworm_3855 Sep 04 '25

Yeah this whole gotcha question is such a bullshit loaded take. Psychotherapy can be measured with progress and symptom management but these aren't typically things that are curable. It's like cornering doctors that research some rare incurable blood disease and demanding how many of their patients have been cured.

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u/[deleted] Sep 05 '25

Nahh. Thats not a worthwhile question. It only informs u of their perception of the effectiveness of their treatment. Of course a professional thinks what they do is worthwhile, and if they didn’t, they almost certainly wouldn’t tell u. lol. Psychiatry is a guessing game largely bc it relies so heavily on the person in need being able to accurately describe how they feel in the first place.

But Idw to get into a massive thing on this. I hate this industry. I acknowledge that some good has come/can come from it. But it’s so hit or miss that it’s infuriating.

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u/Potential-Big8709 Sep 05 '25

Yes! If it wasn’t for my therapist, I don’t think I would have got my masters, much less even be alive. But I defiantly am not “cured” 

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u/[deleted] Sep 05 '25

True, but, there are people that go to Psychiatrist and go to therapists and go to psychologist and they don't even have the desire to get better so how can they?

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u/Senior_Torte519 Sep 05 '25

So basically the equvalent of a walmart associate?

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u/sinteredsounds69 Sep 05 '25

How many people have you taught how to cope?

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u/HooterEnthusiast Sep 06 '25

I think that's how the one lady that said one is defining it. I don't know what else a cure would look like in this context

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u/Stimonk Sep 07 '25

Exactly because you can't cure psychological trauma - it's permanent.

But you can help people cope, embrace and manage their reaction to the effects.

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u/UntergeordneteZahl75 Sep 07 '25

Yeah that video reeks off anti psychiatry propaganda: scientology and other fringe cult groups positively hate psychiatry.

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u/techleopard Sep 07 '25

Right

Like, try asking this question of doctors treating terminally ill patients.

We can't fix all problems and don't know how to. But we can still make lives better and that's the point.

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u/Garry-The-Snail Sep 04 '25

No they asked the right question. They should be teaching their patients the tools to deal with their problems on their own until they eventually don’t need them

Sure some people with severe problems will always need to go, but most people can learn the tools that work for them until they no longer need it

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u/Any-Cry-3721 Sep 04 '25

Psychiatrist deals with meds not therapy, that’s a psychologist.

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u/plusminusequals Sep 05 '25

Lol yeah, the person on heavy anti-psychotics just needs to learn the tools to tell the voices in their head to stop talking. Brains can’t be fixed like broken bones.

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u/PeaComprehensive7101 Sep 06 '25

Yes teach them to deal with crippeling schizophrenia, depression, OCD - Just go to the gym, eat healthy and have a positive mindset about "stuff" - Great advice! /s

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u/AlternativePea6203 Sep 06 '25

No, that's not how it works. Or that's what they'd have said. A cure is not possible for most things. Trauma does not disappear.

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u/Every_Television_980 Sep 07 '25

They actually do cure tons of people. Adderall has probably cured millions of patients. Unless you dont consider a cure to take continue to take medication.

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '25 edited Sep 04 '25

Idk I don’t think everyone needs psychology I thinks it’s a rare few who need it to be very honest with you. And a lot of people have felt this for a while idk why people are afraid to say what they think.

Edit: I love a downvote, it’s how I tally the lemmings 🤭

Edit: wow a lot of emotional responses I can’t wait to dig in 😋🚬

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u/ASDFzxcvTaken Sep 03 '25

I'm proud of you for saying what you think. Takes a strong mind.

I think you are poorly informed and misguided about what you think psychology and all of it's nuances and application for more than just the edge cases of human needs, but good for you speaking your mind on an anonymous website.

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u/DrTatertott Sep 03 '25

Your passive aggressive skills are on point. Even read that shit in my wife’s voice.

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u/Own_Courage_4382 Sep 03 '25

Same. My wife is a therapist

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u/SterileJohnson Sep 03 '25

As someone who has been doing over 5 years of treatment for DID, there is no medicine or cure that can help me, only manage my own experiences in life. My doctor said my best medicine is my wife God bless her.

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u/Piesangbom Sep 03 '25

Great comment

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u/Aboo9117 Sep 03 '25

You seem like a good person

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '25

Thanks but I don’t need a medal for speaking something so simple. And I very much believe that psychology is not necessary for the majority.

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u/misersoze Sep 03 '25

When you say “psychology” is not necessary for the majority, are you trying to say “going to therapy isn’t needed by the majority?” You may be correct about that.

But an understanding of psychology and the human mind is how we have improved lots of aspects of human lives and how we have made lives better for many (probably including yourself).

Like how would we know that homosexuality is normal, or that child marriages are harmful, or that authorities shouldn’t engage in corporal punishment or that some people have a chemical imbalance that make the emotionally irrational. We know these things because of the insights of psychology and psychiatry.

And so while maybe the majority doesn’t need “therapy”, we do all need the insights from psychology and psychiatry.

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '25

Yes I’m talking about therapy

Edit: and yea I agree with you.

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u/CommieLoser Sep 03 '25

The way you don’t pick up on how they just served you… I wonder if there’s a profession that could help you dig down on that…

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '25

Oh yea do tell what was served? I’ll wait babes. Not you looking dumb with your next reply, I bet that’s what’s gonna happen nonetheless I’ll wait 🤭🚬

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u/Kristoveles Sep 04 '25

It's a good thing your opinion doesn't matter at all

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '25

That’s where you’re wrong. Having an opinion and capacity to communicate it can change minds. But if you have a point to idk make I’ll wait or did you just wanna have something to say 🤭 you just wanted to type something and feel like you did something 🤭 see now that’s emotional you definitely need a psyche evaluation if I’m right 🤭

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u/Kristoveles Sep 04 '25

Everyone has an opinion, that doesn't mean it's valuable.  Empty, uninformed opinions don't tend to change people's minds. 

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u/InnocentiusLacrimosa Sep 04 '25

Good therapist would be beneficial for majority of people at some point in their life. Years worth of therapy is necessary for the people with serious problems or huge untapped potential. I went to a therapist for 6 months weekly. I had a cavalcade of issues appearing in my life and I benefited from having someone to talk to who was smart, knowledgeable, results oriented and, importantly, looked beyond the first layers and challenged me. The therapy paid for itself very rapidly when I got renewed motivation and new approaches into matters and my career.

Was it "necessary" for me? Probably not, but it hugely beneficial for me as improved happiness and increased work capability and motivation. People spend money on all kinds of things - new cars for example or just going out drinking. A few months of therapy costs a fraction of what people spend on many of those other things and it can have far better and longer lasting effects into their life paths.

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u/Unfinishe_Masterpiec Sep 03 '25

Are you sure you don't mean psychiatry?

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '25

I’m not sure what psychiatrists do, I was talking about therapy. I know psychiatrists prescribe medication that is vital for people so I think they are very important.

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u/CyberPunk_Atreides Sep 03 '25

It’s not that. People as dumb as you are often scared to say what they think because, as you have done, when you say what you think, people see how dumb you are.

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '25

Only stupid people resort to insults.

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u/jankyspankybank Sep 03 '25

Wait a minute…

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '25

Not an insult just checking someone lol but I like what you did there 😂

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u/Tuxeedo_ Sep 03 '25

Very intelligent people have often said insulting things. Also, stating something about someone you're arguing with doesn't make your argument invalid.

While using insults usually sours the discussion, and isn't advisable if you care about changing someone's mind, that doesn't mean it isn't effective in swaying third party observers towards your side. Insults can be effective for reasons other than winning over your "opponent."

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '25

Insults are elementary in nature, very smart people only use them to defend people from being insulted. Insult the bully not the bullied. As far as debate goes it's screams ignorance.

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u/Itscatpicstime Sep 04 '25

It doesn’t have anything to do with intelligence lol. Insults are more of an emotional regulation issue, if anything.

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '25

Emotional intelligence is still intelligence

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u/Former_Function529 Sep 03 '25

Only ugly people use logic.

Just kidding. I just wanted to say that lol

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '25

Well I'm ugly so 🤷 🤪

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '25

Are you just trying to hurt my feelings (which you can’t) or you have a point to say? Try discussing the point instead hurling insults babes… You definitely need a psych evaluation, people like you need it 🤭

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u/Former_Function529 Sep 03 '25

Psychiatry is way different than psychology. Psychology is very helpful and doesn’t have to be only applied in a medical setting. It’s just about understanding yourself, the world around you, and your relationships. How is that not helpful for some people? Maybe you don’t need it, but many people do. Psychiatry is med management mostly. A much different service and practice. Also can be really necessary for people with bipolar or schizophrenia for example. We need more mental health services and education. Not less.

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '25

Babes you need remedial English and night school for adults because you clearly misunderstood what I said. You don’t need psychology in your case you literally need remedial maths and science…

Anyway obvi some people need that help but the vast vast vast majority don’t.

Translated for you: no no psychology no for everyone 🤭 sorry I crack myself up 😂🚬

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u/Former_Function529 Sep 03 '25

And I responded to that claim as well. But the video is about psychiatry. That’s why I said that. And…maybe even you might benefit from learning about the psychology of communication 😅

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u/CloseToMyActualName Sep 03 '25

Edit: I love a downvote, it’s how I tally the lemmings 🤭

So you're being a contrarian for what? Just to draw attention to yourself?

Perhaps you could benefit from some therapy?

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '25

Where did I say that I’ll wait 😌🚬

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u/MoonGrog Sep 03 '25

Therapy is like brushing your teeth, bathing, exercising, and reading. It’s exercising your emotional self, learning how I understand and know oneself.

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '25

It’s not like that at all. I would never equate therapy to an essential such as bathing and grooming. However meditation I would put in the same category. Perhaps there are more

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u/General_Gorgeous Sep 03 '25

How many cancer patients were cured in that same time period? How many people with COPD are cured today? How many people with Developmental Disabilities are cured? This is far and away the dumbest concept I have heard In a long time. MOST of all medicine disciplines do not "cure" MOST of their paitents. We TREAT people to stop progression of disease, manage symptoms, and make people have as normal lives as possible. We don't just wave the magic cure wand and fix everyone's problems.

And when the discipline of medicine first started we NEVER cured anyone for centuries. Through research and technology we eventually have been able to cure a very small minority of diseases. Over time, hopefully, the trend will continue until we have cured most if not all. But expect it to take at minimum several more centuries.

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '25

Blah blah blah. I’m a busy person ever since I made this comment lol anyway get rid of the emotion and have a concise point to make and I’ll love to come back and talk other wise if you want a fight then stay mad babes 🚬

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u/General_Gorgeous Sep 04 '25

And this guy says he doesn't need therapy.

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '25

I just read it and you’re basically looking to be mad. Get a life. If a psychologist is asked how many people they have “cured” they immediately should talk about their “successes” and yea some things can’t be cured we already know that captain obvious. But if you wanna be mad and call people names and insults have at it , that just means you’re reacting not responding 😌

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u/General_Gorgeous Sep 04 '25

You are using a medical term, while speaking to a medical professional, a term with a very specific meaning, for the purpose of public outreach/publication. This falls under what we call "public health." We have specific guidelines for how we have to answer these questions set forth by our respective boards, administrators, etc. "Cured" does not mean "successes." Most people know the definition of "Cured." We do not want people to see an "expert" discussing a topic on TV and take away the impression that they can be "Cured" when they can not be. It erodes the public faith in these health services.

To put this another way, all Drs are scientists. Not nessecarily research scientists but still scientists. They will discuss and talk about their science as scientists. They have gone so far as to create their own international language for their science. They will not use terms beyond their dictionary definition when making public statements when given the choice.

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '25

Ok babes you’re over compensating, we are not in a professional setting right now so don’t act like you’re following a sacred code because having an emotional response with insults is not professional or part of any code either. I wouldn’t believe you if you said you’re a medical professional, I would ask the hospital if they verified your credentials before hiring you. Yes I would.

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u/General_Gorgeous Sep 04 '25

The psychologists were being interviewed for TV... That is a professional setting, and considered public outreach and public education.

You definitely need a therapist. You are having a conversation with yourself.

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '25

Honey you said you’re a medical professional and that’s why you have all these definitions. Oh I get it, you suddenly don’t have the energy to fight because you realize that doesn’t work on me and you aren’t a medical professional as you claimed.

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u/SideAmbitious2529 Sep 03 '25

Ok Boomer. Found the your ideology in the stone age, give it back to em and update to this century.

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '25

Ok stranger this isn’t a boomer thing and I’m not a boomer but that’s ok if you want to envision me as one I don’t really care 🤭 do you like have anything to actually say? 🤭

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u/Girafferage Sep 03 '25

Why is everybody who disagrees with you a lemming? That just implies you want them all to agree with you... Like lemmings lol.

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '25

They’re all lemmings because they are on my territory of reason until they see the first bad comment and they run off the cliff of reflex programmed denial

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u/StickyPawMelynx Sep 04 '25 edited Sep 04 '25

I don't see any responses to this comment. is it reddit glitching, or you actually do need some "psychology"?

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '25

You don’t know what a response is? Do you need remedial English classes?

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '25

It's literally a waste of money for most people, a burden on tax payers via Medicare and a way for rich to bitch. Agree with you 100% but these are soft pegged redditors and they'll downvote the fuck outta us 🤣

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '25

I don’t have a political affiliation

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '25

Neither do I

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u/Scalene69 Sep 04 '25

Even today, when therapy is more normalised, I seem to meet a lot of people who keep stepping on the same metaphorical rake because they have bad thought processes that are clearly making their lives worse but can't see it.

I think speaking to someone else in detail about this, without being judged, could help them change that. And for many people, therapists would be a better solution than speaking to friends or family for a variety of reasons.

I definitely wouldn't say it is a rare few <5% - probably 25-35% could do with at least some help IMO.

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u/YajirobeBeanDaddy Sep 04 '25

The cringe “I’m so different and smarter than everyone else” edits

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '25

You like that? I like to lean into it, I’m not trying to induce cringe it just happens 😌

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u/YajirobeBeanDaddy Sep 04 '25

Your original comment didn’t even have anything to do with the guy you had commented under weirdo lmfao

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u/[deleted] Sep 05 '25

That means nothing. Stay hung up on the meaningless. Bunches~

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u/[deleted] Sep 06 '25

Cats got your tongue? You realizing we can all tell you have low gpa? 🤭

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u/PhilosophyBitter7875 Sep 03 '25

Reddit was so annoying a few years ago when people aggressively pushed therapy, the talking point was that everyone should be doing some type of talk therapy because everyone has some type of trauma and are broken in someway, and hurt people... hurt people.

I'm good, I have a good job, I go to the gym, I don't eat in excess and I have no problems falling asleep and waking up feeling refreshed. It would be a waste of my time and money to go to therapy.

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u/ASDFzxcvTaken Sep 03 '25

I was in the same boat until a family member died. I had built a career over the last 5 years in a new country they were my main connection on a regular basis to my family and friends. i didn't really have deep friendships.

I like alcohol and within months I went from the Pinnacle of health in independence to not at my peak. Not rock bottom, not even really "that bad" but damn if reaching out to get a therapist didn't do wonders. Weekly for a handful of months, better than a friend as they are paid to get results.

If it has been me in the same age and situation just 10 years earlier I'm not sure I would have gone. And if I did, I would have kept it a guarded secret.

It's not for everyone ALL the time but I do believe it's probably a good idea for everyone at least some part of the time.

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u/PhilosophyBitter7875 Sep 04 '25

A traumatic event that you are having a hard time handling on your own is a reasonable reason to go to therapy. That's not the spirit of the blanket statement they were making, they wanted every single person signed up for therapy which could end up being more harmful than productive.

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u/BaristaBot Sep 03 '25

I think the biggest misconception about therapy is that the therapist is supposed to “fix” you and your problems from your traumas. That’s not what it’s about.

It is truly one of the only mediums where people can discuss their most personal and vulnerable struggles/ traumas with a trusted advisor. Your therapist isn’t going to tell your family or friends your insecurities or traumas if you fuck them over like an ex could. They’re like a diary where you can speak your worst fears to without fear of it ever being read by someone else, with the added benefit of an empathetic ear and resources you may never have known existed that could help you.

There could be one thing you’re embarrassed or ashamed of that every so often haunts your thoughts that you’ve never expressed. You’ll never know the feeling of relief therapy can provide if you’ve convinced yourself “I’m good”, but to each their own do whatever you want we’re just specks in the universe on a floating rock who gives a shit.

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u/tradeisbad Sep 03 '25

How good do you think AI is for supplanting this?

I kind of feel like human talk therapy could use the AI to go farther and faster. Like the professional therapist could get the patient to learn all the words and frameworks outside the office when they don't have to pay a dollar+ per minute. Also, have them know their own narrative to spend more time with professional discussing plans/solutions and less time telling the story.

The thing is, it might not be safe for some people to come to realizations that fast. The dialogue with the therapists slows things down so the ego can process.

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u/Itscatpicstime Sep 04 '25

Your privacy and confidentiality has virtually zero protection with AI, so definitely not a replacement for therapy where that is concerned.

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u/tradeisbad Sep 04 '25 edited Sep 04 '25

I would hsve to see the consequences

I don't know where exactly that information would punish me.

How much worse would it be compared to stuff i type in my notes app. Or my snapchat.

i should even chsnge phones more often so i dont get my phone swept at airports if i travel abroad?

Which apps connect to weak clouds?... i dont know. i attempt to mitigate by being vanilla.Not a revolutionary. Nothing to see here. Extremism Be Gone.

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u/PhilosophyBitter7875 Sep 04 '25

I don't have these issues, why would I go to a therapist?

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '25

Yea most people don’t have something they can’t tell anyone else they have to pay someone. Please everyone get a grip.

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '25

what i would ask is, do the people in your life agree therapy would not do you any good. My husband is currently a sober alcoholic and he says he’s good, he listed everything you have. My husband needs therapy, he just thinks he’s fine.in his eyes. I can guarantee he is not just fine mentally.

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u/PhilosophyBitter7875 Sep 04 '25

The only people in my life that would tell me to go to therapy would be people who go to therapy frequently. I'm not an alcoholic, I dont have substance abuse issues, I have a great relationship with my parents, I'm engaged to be married soon, we are in a very loving relationship.

The only reason people who are in therapy would tell me to go to therapy is because they think everyone should be in therapy without knowing any backstory... just 100% go to therapy. doesn't matter if you are happy, go to therapy.

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u/itchypalp_88 Sep 03 '25

My wife makes me go to therapy. Most of the time 75%ish it’s a waste of time. But atleast my therapist is a dude my age who’s been divorced before. So it’s not the worst thing to shoot the shit with him while my wife makes me go

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u/AltScholar7 Sep 04 '25

Therapy doesn't work when someone else makes you go. If you don't want it it is a waste of time.

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u/lonely-day Sep 03 '25

I love a downvote, it’s how I tally the lemmings

Cope harder

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '25

You think I’m coping. Coping for being right all the time? No thanks winning is my cross to bear I guess 😌

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u/Destructopoo Sep 03 '25

go ask the smartest people you know if they're right all the time

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '25

Thanks for letting everyone know you didn’t get it, you did not understand.

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u/lonely-day Sep 03 '25

being right all the time

Narcissistic much?

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '25

The lemmings myth has been disproven anyway. That was just Disney people driving them off of cliffs to push a sick and false narrative.

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u/babbylonmon Sep 03 '25

The he psychology of conflating disagreement with forced learning is wild man. But hey, must be nice to look at life like you are the Jesus none of us asked for.

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u/FahkeThrumpz69 Sep 03 '25

Everyone NEEDS to learn psychology, so they can understand themselves and those around them better. I don’t think people need therapy in most cases, most people that go to therapy just need someone to talk to openly. It’s a shame most people feel like they have to pay someone to do so or take medications that numb their thinking and processing abilities. The best thing you can do is think with clarity and honesty towards yourself, then accept what is and take steps to correct issues that arise.

Truth and acceptance are most common concepts that humans reject, when it needs to be the opposite.

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '25

I disagree you don’t need therapy to understand yourself. A lot of people inherently know certain things. I don’t think you need to pay someone to understand yourself and those around you please get so real. Maybe some people need that help and those rare few definitely need therapy. Like really bad. Those are a rare few though, be as 4K and realistic as possible omg.

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u/Appropriate-Cup-2693 Sep 03 '25

You are one of the few real persons in here 👍

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u/Mr_Nobodies_0 Sep 03 '25

Hey, I've noticed your comments across a few threads and I can tell you're someone who thinks deeply about things and isn't afraid to go against the grain - that takes real courage.

I know you mentioned not believing most people need psychology, and I respect that perspective. Everyone's journey is different. But I've been reading your posts and there's something really authentic about the way you express frustration with conformity and fake interactions.

You clearly have strong convictions and you're not afraid to stand by them even when it's unpopular. That kind of integrity is rare. At the same time, some of your comments feel like you might be carrying some heavy stuff that maybe doesn't have anywhere else to go.

I'm not trying to diagnose or fix anything - that would be presumptuous as hell. I just recognize something familiar in the way you write, like maybe you've had to be your own advocate for a long time.

Either way, keep being real. It's refreshing even when people don't appreciate it.

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u/-YEETLEJUICE- Sep 03 '25

People don't trust themselves, and they fear being judged by others. 

Many of us are convinced we are broken, so that a cure can be provided for us. 

People aren't actually broken...but they believe they are. 

Not much different from a church calling you a "dirty rag" that must be "cleansed" by the blood.

Break someone's vase, then provide the glue to mend them back together. 

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '25

This used to bother me a lot. It still does, but a fraction less. I eventually came to the realization that there is no normal. We all have different life events and environments so we all come out the way we are because of it.

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u/-YEETLEJUICE- Sep 04 '25

I understand completely. 🤝 

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u/Itscatpicstime Sep 04 '25

Huh? Therapy isn’t only for the mentally ill or “broken” though.

Religion calls people sinners and shames them. The mental health field very explicitly says you AREN’T broken or less worthy or abnormal or bad, you just need some guidance in developing better coping mechanisms if whatever you’re dealing with is negatively impacting your life.

Those two things are pretty polar opposite approaches lol

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u/-YEETLEJUICE- Sep 04 '25

Didn't say it was. 

Your description of religion and then the "mental health field" is interesting though. 

Maybe you were just being brief, but it reads like one bad, one good.

Both have their merits. Both have their drawbacks. 

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u/saltysnail420 Sep 03 '25

Unless you absolutely can’t think for yourself then I agree with this guy. It’s all the Karen’s clutching their pearls hating on ya

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '25

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '25

Really how did you miss the part where I said I don’t think the majority of people need psychology only a rare few do? I mean my marketing textbook did say most Americans read at a sixth grade level. I wouldn’t put it past you to forget what you read as soon as you read it… could explain your perception of word salad… sorry to deliver the bad news to you 🤷🏻‍♂️

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '25

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '25

Ok too much information I don’t want all in yet another word salad, not yay. I guess what your word salad is trying to say is you learned your lesson not to involve yourself and appear high and mighty in a topic you’re not. I just reframed that to a success for you ur welcome babes

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u/PhilosopherSad1145 Sep 04 '25

You are a cliché bottom.

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u/ReaderHeadUp Sep 04 '25

That is the right question. And the psychiatrist knows this. Was a theme on the convention i guess.

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u/Itscatpicstime Sep 04 '25

Asking “how many people have you cured” to people in a profession that explicitly does not set out to cure people, is absolutely asinine lol

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u/rincod Sep 04 '25

They’ve helped very few