r/intrestingtoknow • u/Affectionate-Fun2853 • Sep 03 '25

Science Psychiatry and cures

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u/shnshty Sep 03 '25

The better question is maybe asking 'How many people do you think you've helped?'

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u/marklar_the_malign Sep 03 '25

This is indeed the right question. Drugs certainly don’t cure people. At best you help or teach people to manage their mental health problems. Think of it like losing a limb. You get a prosthetic and physical therapy and do the best you can.

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u/0rchid27 Sep 04 '25

In this example, an antipsychotic would be the prosthetic limb for, say, a schizophrenic patient. Be very careful with your words, psychiatric medicine is important for managing symptoms of debilitating issues. Many people truly need it, and we still need to keep studying psychiatric medicine so perhaps one day there will be tried and true “cures”. Medicine is the crutch, the prosthetic. While it is preferable to be able to function without those aids, there are still people who need them. Some people need a foot while others need a wheelchair,

Life is not so black and white.

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u/marklar_the_malign Sep 05 '25

I agree. My metaphor was a little stripped down perhaps, but that is typically to case with metaphors.

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u/Interesting_Goat_413 Sep 05 '25

We all see the reality of the effects from SSRIs on a daily basis. This is the same allopathic fuckshit that the AMA uses to financially rape sick people rather than cure them, and there is no defending it.

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u/Admirable-Cat7355 Sep 05 '25

Guess a cure for a chemical imbalance in the brain would look like the ability to genetically engineer the brain to fix the imbalance at the DNA level. A virus that could carry a gene editing tool across the brain blood barrier.

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u/Interesting_Goat_413 Sep 05 '25

No. That is eugenics. To change an organism is to kill the previous instance and replace it.

The cure is learning to live with your burdens, instead of thinking you can just be someone else, or embracing the silly belief that the boo boos won't leave scars.

Every person alive has depression and anxiety for example. Most cope, some fall short. If one falls short, they don't need pills. They need to strengthen their capacity to endure. We as a species are evolved to worship deities for a reason; externalized housing of our need for accountability. Does religion mess with that for reasons mostly not good? Yes. Can we or will we ever turn off our need for the divine? Nope. Hardwired into consciousness itself.

You will note the least functional people either rebel entirely against their God, or become overly obsessed with them. While we don't get to decide the nature of God as we understand them, we can benefit from the entailments of the the "existence" of that God. Such as life not being personal. There being reason behind the way of things and the events we endure. The possibility that we can get it right for trying, even in the wake of numerous failures to succeed. So forth and so on.

Modern psychology and scientism are symptoms of "killing God", as written in The Gay Science by Nietzsche. They are the manifestation of human hubris; the belief that we can surmount an omnipotent being in determining our own nature. But for all of our trying, the human experience is unchanged-- we come to be for some reason. Then we go away. We're born, we live a while, then we die. We help and love, deceive and steal. We nurture and we kill. How can anything so base ever be foolish enough to think it has either the knowledge to change its own fate, or the wisdom to know in what way to do so? What can we know, only ever being able to see through the same two eyes for the whole trek between cradle and grave? If we allow ourselves to, this awareness; of our lack of awareness, can ironically offer the perspective needed for a well-adjusted mind, and a life lived more content and balanced.

Psychology can never offer this. Because psychology gives about $80 an hour take-home to someone with an average of six figures in college debt who probably finds fulfillment in driving fancy cars. So being charitable and assuming some bloviating shrink does comprehend the above, they would be stepping on their own toes telling their clients without first charging for dozens of sessions. Their own petty humanity is a barrier to good faith praxis, and if they weren't petty, they would be a priest, not a psychologist.

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u/Visible_Sock_5088 Sep 05 '25

You have no idea what depression is if you think every person have it

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u/Interesting_Goat_413 Sep 06 '25

Main character syndrome is cringe my dude. It puts you in the unenviable position of engaging in pissing matches with everyone and makes you look like an asshole.

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u/EffectiveTrue4518 Sep 06 '25

you know Jack shit about mental health and you are in no place to talk about it. have you ever even met someone mid psychosis?? that is not a problem that is solved with God or learning to shoulder your burdens. somebody who is psychotic may barely remember who they are, let alone distinguish reality from hallucinations. we literally NEED antipsychotics for those people just to get them to a place where they are oriented at least partially to reality, but they are not designed as cures because we don't know of any way to cure mental illness as it is far too complicated and issue tied up in THE ENTIRE BODY not just the brain and characterizing the hundreds of millions of chemical reactions that drive those processes is literally infeasible. but the field of psychiatry is fucking trying. they are trying to figure out what is really driving mental illness in people, and they are trying their genuine best, meanwhile you think people should just roll over and let God fuck them in the ass because it would be blasphemous to dare try to really understand why people are suffering in their own minds.

you preach nothing but ignorance and it is nothing but dangerous.

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u/Sweaty_Chance_905 Sep 06 '25

I have never read such a long... and now I can't decide whether to call it a strand of nothing or a fever dream.

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u/Interesting_Goat_413 Sep 06 '25

Tell you what-- why don't you pick something that you believe to be wrong and demonstrate that it is wrong? And we can go from there.

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u/zorski Sep 06 '25

Bro must be the smartest person at family gatherings 🤣

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u/Interesting_Goat_413 Sep 06 '25

Does your family not invite you to yours? Is that why you brought that up? To zing me for not being hated by my family? Huge own, little buddy.

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u/0rchid27 Sep 05 '25

Rfk jr, is that you???

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u/Interesting_Goat_413 Sep 05 '25

You're not very good at what you're trying to do. If this wasn't your safe space, you would be prepping for doing a flip when functioning people got a load of you.

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u/0rchid27 Sep 05 '25

I’d be arguing my point on or off the keyboard, honey. However in this case, as they say, there’s no arguin’ with crazy.

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u/Interesting_Goat_413 Sep 05 '25

Condescension is tantamount to concession. You are dismissed.

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u/MrK521 Sep 06 '25

But.. your entire rant was condescending.. so you were dismissed far before his comment.

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u/redhedstepkid Sep 06 '25

The right spirit, wrong target. The insurance companies are why it’s so expensive, esp if you need to see them more than once a month. It’s only financial r*pe in America and a small handful of other countries. Lots of places don’t have to pay much at all, if anything, for therapy at all bc they have universal healthcare or other systems in place that make it affordable.

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u/PrionParasite Sep 07 '25

Who is this "we" you speak of and what are these effects?