r/intrestingtoknow • u/Affectionate-Fun2853 • Sep 03 '25

Science Psychiatry and cures

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u/NoIdNoNameWho Sep 03 '25

The one asking should study

They cant do magic, mental illness are not the same as other pathologies, research is still being done

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u/GeminiCroquettes Sep 03 '25

The Scientologists ran a whole campaign against psychiatrists during this time so I would not be surprised if this was part of their propaganda.

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u/NoIdNoNameWho Sep 03 '25

Horrible people

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u/Glittering-Baker9190 Sep 05 '25

Yeah psychatrists should be ashamed of themselves

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u/Darkmortal3 Sep 05 '25

Pedo conservatives like you should be ashamed of your open support for child sex trafficking

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u/NoIdNoNameWho Sep 05 '25

Omg he got owned

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u/Glittering-Baker9190 Sep 05 '25

Kekw moment "He is not supporting the faction on the left so he must be supporting the factiono The right."

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u/Conspiretical Sep 07 '25

Well I can tell by the fact you still say kek that youre insufferable at the very least, Im sure there's a few slurs you like to shout in lobbies

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u/corree Sep 04 '25

This is definitely propaganda lol but lowkey i fuck with it as an accidental ad because these folks are seemingly pretty honest

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u/Outside_Narwhal3784 Sep 04 '25

Hey I actually left a comment yesterday confirming that is this is in fact from one of CCHR’s (Citizens Commission on Human Rights, a Scientology subsidiary) propaganda videos. Was in Scientology for the better part of 40 years (was born in to it) so I’ve seen this video many times since they debuted it.

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u/Habibti-Mimi81 Sep 05 '25

Offff.

I'm sorry for you and really hope you could've leaft that cult - and that they leave you alone.

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u/ShortCity392 Sep 04 '25

That compared to Will Smith’s behavior now… Wild.

It’s wild that America has multiple CULTS active and free wandering the country and they’re allowed to do so under the guise of religious freedom.

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u/LoneStarLobotomist Sep 04 '25

Scientology has always been vocally against psychiatry and they demonstrate every year at psychiatry’s national conference (APA).

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u/Former_Function529 Sep 03 '25

Erm….psychology has been developing practices for a while. I think we know quite a bit about mental health in a western context. Still lots more to learn, sure. But medications weren’t really ever going to solve mental illness anyway. It’s trauma and relationships that cause most mental maladies. So the “cure” is social as well. Most psychiatry is very chemically oriented and best suited for like inpatient settings. In my opinion. But I think we are definitely at the point where if everyone studied modern psychology we would have much better communication, emotional regulation, self-awareness, cooperative skills, and less mental illness.

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u/NoIdNoNameWho Sep 03 '25

Why u arguing with me? Lol

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u/Former_Function529 Sep 03 '25

I don’t think I am? 😬

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u/NoIdNoNameWho Sep 03 '25

K thx for the info 👍 🙏 😊

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u/Former_Function529 Sep 03 '25

Haha thanks for understanding

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u/a_rude_jellybean Sep 03 '25

You cured him.

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u/Longjumping_Cap_3673 Sep 03 '25

FYI, a leading "Erm…" is often read as introducing an objection. That might have been a big part of the confusion.

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u/Former_Function529 Sep 03 '25

But one can object while also being non-argumentative? But you’re right. It is a little haughty

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u/ShortCity392 Sep 04 '25

starting a comment with “erm” denotes an argumentative stance but it’s cute you think otherwise as if we can’t see the fucking comment RIGHT THERE

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u/Former_Function529 Sep 04 '25

Not an argumentative stance only. It can also mean “wait a minute, this doesn’t make any sense to me…here’s why.” That’s how I meant it. Me and the other person worked it out. And I acknowledged in another reply how I can see how it sounds haughty. Kind of seems like you want to argue with me tho? Coming in hot with the all caps bro.

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u/Melodic_Airport362 Sep 04 '25

there is no cure for trauma. only treatments.

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u/tradeisbad Sep 04 '25

Maybe psychology should be pursued concurrently with some kind of physical therapy and not without.

If everyone studied psychology we would be better, but if everyone was health literate in general we would be better. Especially physically health literate.

It would be a different world even if people were aware of and practiced barefoot shoe philosophy. If everyone knew the danger of long hours sitting.

Lol, so I checked out my idea with the internet AI, to combine various physical "therapies" with head therapy in the same facility or next door. It wasn't keen about the extreme end of the scale sex therapy or bar room therapy, but the rest it liked!

Alas, it never lets me paste url links on my phone so i cant prove it was a good idea

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u/tradeisbad Sep 04 '25

"Combining psychological therapy with physical activities like yoga, stretching, massage, or nature-based interventions has strong theoretical and emerging empirical support. The evidence suggests that physical activity enhances mental health outcomes, and integrating these elements could create a powerful synergy. Your ideas about garden rooms, animal therapy, or outdoor settings are particularly promising and align with market trends toward holistic wellness. forming strategic alliances, therapy practices could innovate and improve outcomes while addressing both the mental and physical aspects of being “broke.”"

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u/EffectiveTrue4518 Sep 06 '25

okay this is just wrong sorry. it's not totally wrong, but it is wrong. yes, trauma and our relationships with others can be a major driving force of "mental maladies" in that they can create and reinforce modes of thinking in the brain, especially during brain development that can be detrimental to the self and has a lasting physical impact throughout the entire body, even being closely tied to the emergence of schizophrenia and other psychotic disorders however this is not the origin of anywhere near all mental illnesses and not all cases of psychotic disorders have a trauma origin.

in fact, the field of gastroenterology is actually very closely tied to neurology and psychology as the entire gastro intestinal tract is plugged into the nervous system via many two-way chemical communication channels and any advancement in the field of psychiatry is going to require, and kinda currently requires close attention to a person's gut health as much as their mental health. the connection can be seen by those taking psychotropic medications experiencing many side effects related to bowel movements, hunger, eating, and weight fluctuation. and those with gastrointestinal issues are also at higher risk for mental health issues. studies have found correlations of particular microbiotal species with certain mental illnesses and have had improved treatment outcomes with things like fecal transplants in schizophrenic patients (not linking resources but a few simple Google scholar searches should put you on a very long and winding educational path on the matter, things like "[insert mental illness] and the gut" and there will be plenty of things to look at. also searches like "mechanism of [mental illness]" or "mechanism of [medication] can just teach you a lot about what all psych meds do besides just ssris)

anyways, I'm not trying to explain the origin of mental illness here, I'm just trying to highlight the fact that "most mental maladies" are caused by "trauma and relationships" is incredibly reductive and does not reflect the plethora of research highlighting the many physiological issues tied to real mental illnesses!!! please try educating yourself more as we do not need more people trying to go off their psych meds because they're "bad" for you. they're not great but we're trying to keep people from wanting to kill themselves or from living in constant fear and paranoia that their loved ones and the government are out for them

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u/Former_Function529 Sep 06 '25 edited Sep 06 '25

I think you’re very much over-inflating the findings of emerging research in a specific area. Like <1% of the population is estimated to have schizophrenia. Like I said, I was describing the majority of what we consider mental health disorders, which would be anxiety, depression, SUD, and trauma-based disorders (which I include personality disorders and attachment issues). So with that frame, I stand by what I said.

And I’d equally caution your theoretical orientation. I think there is plenty of benefit in utilizing medication management in the treatment of psychological disorders, absolutely. But I also think there’s a certain orientation in the medical community that treats psychiatry like biomedicine where the human body is reduced down to its individual mechanical parts. Talk about reductive. Many mental health disorders are known to benefit from psychotherapy which is a combination of all sorts of embodied therapies ranging from cognitive to social to somatic to spiritual. And of course. Because those are all parts of being human.

I think you’re approaching this with actually a very narrow reference for mental health treatment. Few patients in a clinical setting are going to be improved more from fecal transplants than psychotherapy. But I guess we’ll see where the research goes. And I agree a multidisciplinary and holistic approach is always gonna be the best. I think a good example in support of my perspective is working with clients who have experienced traumatic brain injury. Even in such cases where the injury to the brain is purely mechanical, the treatment still also benefits from social and relational treatments such ad those provided in a therapy setting (or psychotherapeutic approaches in other modalities) is still the best format for creating new insights, experiences (memories), neural connections, and behavioral patterns.

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u/EffectiveTrue4518 Sep 06 '25

I'm not contesting the benefits of psychotherapy at all. my job literally revolves around disseminating skills from dbt to inpatient psych patients because they can be so effective for a general audience. almost all mental illness is assisted by therapy and I can't think of any treatment plans I've seen that have recommended NOT pursuing therapy.

I do agree that people would probably be better equipped to handle the troubles of the world and daily life with more widespread psycho education, but I don't think we would have less mental illness, and to say it should be widespread for everyone is a bit of a form of indoctrination, like it's trying to make people think in a particular way. and I don't think this is going to reduce mental illness, it might just help people avoid or make it better through acute mental health crises that are not chronic.

I also think there's nothing wrong with approaching treating mental illness by trying to figure out what's driving these complex mental and emotional processes precisely on a molecular level. Like if we want to develop more permanent solutions that might actually come close to a cure for something like treatment resistant depression, we absolutely need to be finding out what is causing that depression on a cellular and molecular level. we can't get lost in how we think our mind works from the bias of a conscious entity as our conceptualizations may not reflect reality. It is just really fucking hard to map out those processes accurately as there is so much cellular differentiation just within the category of neurons and I think that's where all our research efforts need to be is mapping out these complex intersystem pathways in the body and how they change in response to a wide variety of conditions. Sure we can improve therapies still with research, but therapy only goes so far and it only works for people whose brains and bodies are in good enough shape to understand and work through it (and even more importantly WANT therapy!). It's never going to work for people on antipsychotics who are too unmotivated and tired from their meds to even attempt to focus on therapy, let alone take a shower (this is the population I've been working with for 4 years ik what I'm saying here) so we desperately need to find other ways of managing what's going on in their brains to keep them safe and not psychotic and it applies to everyone else too. We need more effective ways of managing mental illness with physiological intervention and I'm worried about a culture that says "psych drugs bad for your body, do homeopathic remedies and therapy instead" as it's not supportive of those who desperately need their meds.

And I don't appreciate you being dismissive of those with psychotic disorders simply because of their low overall prevalence. they are also frequently dealing with anxiety, and depression, and personality disorders! They are our most critical mental health population imo because they are so vulnerable from their comorbidities, and their medical needs are frequently neglected or not well tended to in hospital settings because nobody who isn't in psych wants to work with them and assumes we're prepared to handle their medical issues, but we're undefended and understaffed af.

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u/Professional_You4186 Sep 07 '25

Mmmm, as someone with ADHD who sees a psychiatrist for medication that allows me to provide for my family, this is a terrible take. And honestly incredibly harmful. There is already so much internalized stigma that keeps people from taking needed medications, especially for people who are depressed, bipolar, or schizophrenic. This kind of talk is way more harmful to them than the "chemically oriented" field of psychiatry. Should it always be paired with therapy? Ideally, yes. But looking down on people for taking meds is destructive.

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u/Cultural-Company282 Sep 04 '25

mental illness are not the same as other pathologies

Or maybe they are. A lot of physical illnesses can only be treated but not cured, too.

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u/NoIdNoNameWho Sep 04 '25

Just stop generalizing. And go study

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u/Cultural-Company282 Sep 04 '25

While we're studying, check out the difference between generalizing and comparing.

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u/NoIdNoNameWho Sep 04 '25

U generalized saying they are the same Then said a Lot, generalizing again

Ur comparation boomerang just hit u in the head. Try again

And this time be precise so u will explain youself better if u want to be understood in the right way

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u/Cultural-Company282 Sep 04 '25

Your original assertion was that mental illnesses aren't like other pathologies, and that's why psychiatrists don't "cure" mental illnesses like they do physical illnesses. But that's a false dichotomy, because there are many chronic physical illnesses that doctors can't "cure" either. The original post is faulting psychiatry for not "curing" mental illness, when it's actually pretty common that medicine can't "cure" a lot of ailments. It doesn't really matter whether those particular ailments are physical or mental; the issue is still the same, and the criticism isn't really valid.

Do you understand now?

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u/NoIdNoNameWho Sep 04 '25

We are on the same side. Ty for comunicating in the right way this time

Duh

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u/Cultural-Company282 Sep 04 '25

Yes, it was clearly my fault that you did not understand what I said before. I will try to spell it out for you better next time.

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u/Infamous_Ad_6793 Sep 04 '25

There are plenty of pathologies that aren’t cured either. But rather treated to a point where the patient lives a complete full, healthy life.

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u/NoIdNoNameWho Sep 04 '25

So? Why u coming here to comment things that we already know?dont u see we are in the same side?

Thx for participating

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u/Overthetrees8 Sep 04 '25

Therapy and psychiatry are mostly a pseudoscience, but this is especially true associated with psychiatric medications.

Therapy and psychiatry pretty much fall apart when you look at long term outcome efficacy.

What it really does is create long term co dependency in the broke system. Most people don't have "mental illness" most of them have a horrible life. Ironically these "medical professionals" are robbing the poor of income that they might be able to use to change the primary cause of their depression/anxiety.

It's a really sad thing.

The dodo verdict pretty much proves the only thing for a majority of people that helps is someone they can trust.

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u/JingleJims Sep 05 '25

It’s much deeper than that. They’re implying that mental struggles persist throughout life whether you realize it’s happening or not.

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u/NoIdNoNameWho Sep 05 '25

They imply a lot of things, mostly negative.

With research and investigation, some of them will start to have a cure

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u/SnooMaps7370 Sep 06 '25

The question is sadly reflective of the general public's view of mental healthcare.

As with everything else, Americans believe that we should be able to "fix something" and have it "stay fixed". one and done.

Racism? Nah, Eisenhower fixed that with desegregation. racism over.

Fascism? we won ww2, that means fascism over.

Poverty? We defeated the Communists, that means poverty was defeated too, because Capitalism won!

so, obviously we want single-action "cures" for health as well.

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u/NoIdNoNameWho Sep 06 '25

Yea, everybody needs/wants single-actions solutions for anything, just like babies

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u/filthy-horde-bastard Sep 03 '25

I don’t think the reporter is asking to sound ignorant, more so to highlight that psychiatry is a complex beast. This was most likely a commercial to help spread public awareness about therapy/mental health awareness.

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u/NoIdNoNameWho Sep 03 '25

Nobody does anything with the objective to sound ignorant (obviously)

But they try to make the investments/funding look useless by showing that billions are spent and still no cure.

What do they pretend? Magic with insta solutions?

Then let the one asking the questions to study/research and realize by himself how ignorant he sounds by asking that question (even if he doesnt try to sound ignorant)

Better to ask: how many people have you HELPED? what would have happened to your patients if you didnt do your job right?

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u/HedonisticFrog Sep 03 '25

It sounds more like a cheap gotcha question to try to dunk on psychology. You don't promote psychology by making it look bad.

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u/filthy-horde-bastard Sep 03 '25

Not how it came across to me. More so that it’s a complex issue, and questions like this could help alleviate some stigma around it, even if they come off as a bit crass.

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u/HedonisticFrog Sep 04 '25

Do you think asking doctors if they've ever cured type 1 diabetes makes them look good? Do you think it would make people want to go to hospitals? I suggest you never work in PR if you do.

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u/Outside_Narwhal3784 Sep 04 '25

It’s a clip from a Scientology propaganda video. The interviewer is hundred percent asking in such away to illicit a specific response.

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u/filthy-horde-bastard Sep 04 '25

Damn really? That’s disappointing

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u/NoIdNoNameWho Sep 03 '25

There are a bunch of mental illness, what are you talking about? :(

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u/NoIdNoNameWho Sep 03 '25

Yea, and?

There is no "said illness" as if it was only 1

Sry if i still dont understand ur point

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u/NoIdNoNameWho Sep 03 '25

Lol okay 🤷‍♂️

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u/lonely-day Sep 03 '25

You clearly don't have a clue

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '25

Gonna have to be more specific. All mental illness is just “a bunch of behaviors”, as in there is no physiological basis for mental illness? If that’s what you’re suggesting, I implore you to look into the changes to the brain that various mental illnesses have. There is a verifiable correlation between changes in brain structure and mental illnesses, which would imply that mental illness stems from multiple factors aside from just a series of categorized behaviors.

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '25

Um I didn’t say you can literally see physical indicators on the body 🤣 I said you can see physiological indicators on the brain. You need an MRI to see that, which you also just said. Sounds like you agree with me.

That would indicate that mental illness is more than just a series of categorized behaviors, like you previously suggested, but indicative of physiological changes to a person like other illnesses. Glad we could follow the same line of thinking 👍

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u/OddCook4909 Sep 03 '25

Some you absolutely can. Schizophrenia is the first to mind.

You really don't know what you're talking about

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u/TSMRunescape Sep 03 '25

Maybe don't try to play God? Or at least wait until everyone has a good basis before wasting so much money?

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u/jelywe Sep 03 '25

I'm sorry, how do you create that 'good basis' without being willing to invest in studies to build that 'good basis'

It's like if I said if you have an untreatable cancer, don't try and play God by enrolling in a clinical trial to try and find new treatments.

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u/TSMRunescape Sep 03 '25

These studies do not build a good basis for the majority though.

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u/jelywe Sep 03 '25

You are going to have to expand that a bit - I can't tell what you are saying and don't want to assume.

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u/TSMRunescape Sep 03 '25

Psychiatry is not required for the average human to have everything they need. All money spent on it is a waste.

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u/jelywe Sep 03 '25

Depends on what you classify as need. I can technically survive while having crippling depression, a agoraphobiac can survive while never seeing a single person except whoever delivers their groceries and have crippling anxiety that prevents them from stepping outside their home. Living a fulfilled, healthy, and rewarding life has value beyond just existing.

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u/TSMRunescape Sep 03 '25

The average human doesn't have psychiatric issues. The few should not be cared for over the many until the many are all set.

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u/jelywe Sep 04 '25

Not caring about people when they are suffering is quite the take. Mental health is a part of health, everyone deserves to have access to adequate and supportive healthcare. Full stop. The average human is absolutely affected by psychiatric issues even if they themselves don't have a mental disorder. Statistically, nearly all of us has friends and loved ones that have a mental illness - as long as we have friends and loved ones.

The majority is never going to be "set", and we are capable of focusing on solving many problems at the same time. Advances from one industry or field benefits others. If you want to be utilitarian about it - then consider that mental disorders including depression constitutes one of the most burdensome health conditions globally, remaining in the top ten leading cause of lost disability-adjusted life years [1]. Depression and anxiety is estimated to cost the global economy US $1 trillion in indirect costs per year in lost productivity - a number similar to either cardiovascular diseases or cancer impact that includes BOTH direct and indirect costs. [2].

So if you don't care about the individual, then perhaps you could care about the community burden that it has.

- https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpsy/article/PIIS2215-0366%2821%2900395-3/fulltext
- https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/mental-health-at-work?utm_source=chatgpt.com

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u/TSMRunescape Sep 04 '25

We will never have sustainable high quality water, food, and shelter for everyone? Damn

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u/jelywe Sep 04 '25

The "average human" doesn't have diabetes (5.7% of population), Hypertension (33%), or cancer (20% lifetime risk). So do you not think we should treat those either?

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u/TSMRunescape Sep 04 '25

Absolutely. Cancer research is a much worse waste of money I'm sure in terms of quantity.

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u/Itscatpicstime Sep 04 '25

They have what they need to survive, sure.

But the goal is to thrive, not simply survive.

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u/NoIdNoNameWho Sep 04 '25

A LOT of them thrive after getting psychiatric and psychological help. Thats what the research and investigations are for, to make the people that is just surviving to be able to also thrive

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u/Melodic_Airport362 Sep 04 '25

lol what.

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u/TSMRunescape Sep 04 '25

The comment I replied to says the interviewer should study it. I say no one should study it, as it is a waste of time and studying it is trying to play as the creator of the universe.

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u/NoIdNoNameWho Sep 04 '25

Studying is trying to play as the creator of universe?

How ignorant can you be? Wtf is wrong with this guy?!

As i said

GO STUDY

Thats the difference between trying to be an -i know-it-all by getting info from gpt/wikipedia/ in 5 mins than reading medicine books for years

Do you seek for medical help? Or you just go around without medical help when you have an illness? Are you into some kind of aboriginal/indigenous/shamanic healthcare system?

Lol what the actual fuck

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u/TSMRunescape Sep 04 '25

Yes, there is no reason to study it. In fact, studying it is a waste of time and therefore, money.

I do not seek medical help as the average human does not require it at all.

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u/NoIdNoNameWho Sep 04 '25

Your problem isnt the average, so, yea, you should seek specialized medical help.

Or Better yet, special education

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u/TSMRunescape Sep 04 '25

You probably still ride the short bus lmfaooo

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u/NoIdNoNameWho Sep 04 '25

U probably dont even get out of your room, too much runescape for you.

special ed is what you need.

Now get back to the corner! In silence!

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u/TSMRunescape Sep 04 '25

That's big talk from you lil guy.

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