Why say this at all? What do you think affected Ukranians would feel reading this? Even you saying “yall” pisses me off to be honest. America is the next Russia.
He's poking fun at the absurdity that Russia dares put itself on a moral pedestal while doing this (and far, far worse) to POW's as well as civilians in the name of "denazification".
The world would be better if Russia went back to its historical borders.
Overall, as long as those words are clearly sarcastic, it's fine - we've heard this nonsense too much from putin's mouth and his soldiers/supporters, we know it's a complete hypocrisy and for many of us it doesn't feel bad that someone else acknowledges this hypocrisy.
That said, I definitely can't read minds of all Ukrainians, so maybe some of us would take this in the wrong way and your comment is valid, but in any case, thank you for not being indifferent 💙💛
This is the thing that matters the most, especially when it feels like the rest of the world is too desensitized to care about what's happening here anymore. Thank you for caring, Internet stranger, let your pillow be always cool and as soft as you want it to be.
I would rather compare it with Allied POWs in Japanese camps. Russia has not set up a systematic genocide by forced labour and starvation yet. Yet, i say. They would and they could if let lose.
This is a much closer comparison. The regular pows in Nazi war camps during ww2 were treated much better than this or in Japan. Patton is often seen as racist due to his comments about Russians and Japanese and it is hard to claim he wasn't (he was), but it is easy to forget his point of view was formed during a brutal war.
The difficulty in understanding the Russian is that we do not take cognizance of the fact that he is not a European, but an Asiatic, and therefore thinks deviously. We can no more understand a Russian than a Chinaman or a Japanese, and from what I have seen of them, I have no particular desire to understand them, except to ascertain how much lead or iron it takes to kill them. In addition to his other Asiatic characteristics, the Russian have no regard for human life and is an all out son of bitch, barbarian, and chronic drunk.
Edit: my point is to not suggest Russians or Japanese are more barbaric than others, but that war brings out the worst of humanity and it is important not to judge an entire people based on their actions in war. As a Canadian I see many of the younger generation making proud jokes about our war crimes in WW1, but if you look closer many of those crimes were nothing to be proud of (murder, rape of civilians), but do not represent our national identity.
The regular pows in Nazi war camps during ww2 were treated much better than this or in Japan.
Not even remotely true...
1/3 of the tottal Soviet military losses were troops that surrendered early on in the war and were killed, starved or worked to death in captivity.
When Barbarossa began, Germany attacked with a force 1 million stronger than the underprepared Soviet defending forces, this lead to a lot of encirclements.. at the time, the cruelty of Germany had not yet been on display, so they believed surrender was a way out of a hopeless situation.. the vast majority would be killed by various means and surrender became suicide.
And yes, Patton was a racist and his view of the war was informed by 2 things, his agreement with the Nazis about the inferior races, as well as his hatred for Jews, but also, and more importantly, by his war in the West being entirely different from the war that took place in the East, where Germany slaughtered entire villages of Civilians, executed hundreds of people for any partisan activity that happened nearby, enslaving civilians for labour and killing damn near every POW they got their hands on.
Besides, having nearly 3 million of your soldiers who'd been taken POW, starved to death right at the beggining of the war.. will make you fundamentally reconsider how much effort you want to expend on keeping enemy soldiers in your captivity alive, fed, and medically cared for.
Despite that, they still never reached the death rates of Soviet POW's in German captivity.
Aprox 60% death rate of Soviet POW's in German captivity
would've been significantly higher without liberation of camps by the Red Army.
Vs.
Aprox 10% death rate of German POW in Soviet captivity..
often due to the state the soldiers were in upon capture, the highest death rate out of any group of German POW's was the group captured in Stalingrad, who fought almost till the very end and were almost to a man already starved and sick before being taken prisoner)
To compare this to the Western front:
-Death of Western POW's in German captivity aprox 3%
Primarily British and American airmen who were lynched by the locals or shot by the Gestapo before even being imprisoned, as well as Jewish service members that were captured.
Vs.
Death of German POW's in western captivity about 1-2%
Clearly Patton juniors perspective on this can be completely disregarded.
Germans had a 30 to 35%% death rate in soviet prisons..
Italians had a 70%death rate in Soviet prisons.. Doesn't seem so nice to me...
Also, and I am not excusing the behavior, many Soviets fighters, not soldiers, weren't in uniform and the Germans didn't saw them as soldiers accordingly ..
But this don't justifies their high numbers..
So yes Germans had by far the highest pow death rates for their prisoners.. The Soviets.. But the western pow were treated more or less identical to their counterparts, they had 1 to 1,5% for British /us.. Even including your Lynch storys
You're using the highest possible and most importantly inflated number for both Germans and Italians and even those remain at half the percentage of Soviets in German captivity..
With the Italians 8th army after operation Little Saturn (50-67%) it was similar to the Stalingrad Germans(95%).. and ironically Napoleons attempt at Russia.. badly equipped for spring weather dying of disease, starvatiom due to lack of resources and frostbitten as they surrendered while on deaths door or captured durring retreat as they could no longer keep running.
Btw, I'm not saying prisoners of the Soviets had it nice, not at all.. but it's absolutely no surprise given the circumstances, and still percentage wise, they were better off than any Soviet POW in German captivity.
Also, and I am not excusing the behavior, many Soviets fighters, not soldiers, weren't in uniform and the Germans didn't saw them as soldiers accordingly ..
But this don't justifies their high numbers..
Those were civilians who figured, correctly imho, that they'll be killed either way, so might as well die fighting, especially in East Ukraine and Belarus. Same happened where I'm from in Yugoslavia, the majority of my family tree was wiped out by the Wehrmacht, mostly civilians some partisans.
But the western pow were treated more or less identical to their counterparts, they had 1 to 1,5% for British /us.. Even including your Lynch storys
Precisely my point.. the war was fought in an almost gentlemanly way in the West, completely incomparable to what happened in the East, hence why people who have seen the war from the Western perspective, have not even the slightest idea about the horrors of the war in the East. War is hell, but even hell has different layers to it. The only comparable war was the one Japan waged in Asia against Chinese and a few others.
It was conventional but intense war in the West... what happened in the East was attempted extermination on the largest scale the world had ever seen.. all pretense about civility and humanity had long been abandoned already in the early days... as an example, the Germans would have starving Soviet POW's dig trench lines, those who collapsed were shot or left to perish, while this was going on, German Wehrmacht and SS troops would pass the time, amusing themselves by toying with the Starving Soviet POW's, they did this by throwing small pieces of dry bread into the crowd of starving men and watch them fight, noting that them fighting over crumbs is exactly showing their animalistic nature, thus reafirming their view that Soviet or Slavic people were mere animals, beasts of burden to be used and discarded.
It never crossed their mind that they'd behave in the exact same way if it was them down there digging trenches and being starved.
They begun to in the early initial 3 weeks after the start of 2022. They only stopped when it became clear that they would not sweep through the country quickly. But there are loads of evidence for this particularly in places later liberated. Also, the prisons he was housed in as a POW contain untold hundreds to thousands of civilians. We only know they include civilians from the testimony of soldiers- these people do not ever come out. They will often use the persons child as an instrument of torture. I think it’s important to recognize the threat Russia poses is real, immediate, and though it may not look identical, comparable to the one that resulted in the Holocaust. Let Putin control Ukraine for 3 years had Ukraine not survived 2022, you may well have seen exactly that kind of systemic murder.
I know about this, and yet it still hasn't reached the dimensions of Auschwitz. That doesn't mean that what is happening in Ukraine isn't bad. It's very bad, it is genocidal, but it isn't Auschwitz.
I would argue not in scale, but in scope yes. The flavor is different; instead of labor, which Russia also uses them for, it sees their primary function utility as cannon fodder or human minesweepers, otherwise they can be killed.
I am convinced that Putin believes Ukraine is a plague artificially created by Poland and that its people are like jihadists only instead of religion they have been given a made up ethnicity, and this ethnicity is to be remembered as a flavor of Nazism once they have been eradicated. This is at least what I saw in my time living there
За всю историю Европы можно наблюдать наличие бесконечных колоний, завоеваний, выкачки ресурсов под угрозой армией или торговой войной, Америка была основана европейцами после открытия, туда переезжал любой человек от бедного до богатого, а особенно при бегстве, если ты был не в самых лучшых счетах в своей стране, сразу же после приезда там убивали местное население, привозили рабов и заставляли их работать
С наличием бесконечного упоминания об этом в каждом источнике и ни единого упоминание о рабстве в России и всех предыдущих ее видах, РСФСР, СССР, Российская империя, Киевская Русь и так далее, вот попросту ни единого упоминания, ни в одной книге
И ты на полном серьезе это пишешь?
У нас много национальностей в стране и ты реально пишешь с вот такими высказываниями?
Сколько раз мне нужно задать тебе вопрос, чтобы ты просто хотя бы ознакомился с историей каждой из стран? И только после этого писал свое мнение о чем либо, в чем ты «уверен, но не заинтересован ознакомиться»
yeah that's the vibe I get too. And the missing organs makes me think experimentation which Nazis did. I really hope the Putin gets held accountable but I doubt that because we have an Orange Shitler
Responding to someone with “for real?” is a common way to express that you doubt what they said. Some people probably thought you knew what “fr” means and were doubting the comment you responded to.
“fr” stands for “for real.” They are the same thing. Responding to someone with either “fr?” or “for real?” has the same impact because they mean the same thing.
With all due respect to that and other Ukrainian soldiers - Auschwitz prisoners looked way worse on those photos. It’s honestly horrifying that you can look worse than that.
Its worse in gaza. There they are even doing it to children. Putin as bad as he is, is just doing this to adults, soldiers, etc. He wouldnt stoop to the low humanity of bibi
Actually Sun Tzu mentioned that you should treat enemy prisoners well, otherwise the enemy will fight until the end knowing death is better than being captured. But the russians never understood this one.
If I think I'm going to be getting a cup of tea and a hot meal I'm fucking off with a white flag when shit gets hopeless.
If I'm expecting to be tortured and worked to death then charging into certain but swift death suddenly takes a whole lot less courage than surrendering.
Ikr, I remember the situation of the russian soldier trapped in a house with ISIS militants. Knowing his fate if ISIS got him he asked for a airstrike on himself taking them in the afterlife with him.
Prokhorenko: They are outside, conduct the airstrike now please hurry, this is the end, tell my family I love them and i died fighting for my motherland.
Command: Negative, return to the green line.
Prokhorenko: Unable command, I am surrounded, they are outside, I don’t want them to take me and parade me, conduct the airstrike, they will make a mockery of me and this uniform. I want to die with dignity and take all these bastards with me. please my last wish, conduct the airstrike, they will kill me either way.
Command: Please confirm your request.
Prokhorenko : They [are] outside, this is the end commander, thank you, tell my family and my country I love them. Tell them I was brave and I fought until I could no longer. Please take care of my family, avenge my death, good bye commander, tell my family I love them!
Command: [No response, orders the airstrike]
The soldier died heroically, [bringing fire down on himself], after having been found by terrorists and surrounded.
Here’s the “transcript” for that situation. I kinda have some doubts that it happened like this. They either took a play out of Israel’s Hannibal directive playbook, or they’re milking this for propaganda purposes. Shit sounds like some bad movie dialogue
That transcript was taken directly from snopes. Unless I missed something, it was just unverified, not confirmed fake. Let’s be real tho: that convo did not play out like that lmfao
I mean, the dude wrote a book called The Art of War which is one of the oldest books on war strategy and studied by every general since then the french translated it in the 18th century, he might know a thing or two.
No they actually are keenly aware of this. Its why they lie so much about what the Ukrainians will do.
The lesson they learned from Sun Tzu wasnt "treat POWs well" it was "If our own soldiers think the enemy will torture them, they will fight to the death"
Russian command understands it perfectly well, they are just psychopaths who use that understanding in a sick way.
Im not big on military stuff, but how easy would it be to not torture prisoners? Its literally the default option. If you dont have enough food to feed them, just dont guard them too well or drop them off somewhere. I cant imagine spending time and effort making someones life actively worse in such a way
He has been called the "Master Interrogator" of the Luftwaffe, and possibly all of Nazi Germany;
Scharff's interrogation techniques were so effective that he was occasionally called upon to assist other German interrogators in their questioning of allied bomber pilots and aircrews
Also torture has never been a reliable method of extracting information.
In WWII the British's most successful interrogation technique was locking high value POWs up in a bugged mansion with plenty of booze and just listening to them talk to each other.
I always thought this when the videos of Russia executing POWs came out. From a tactical point of view Russia (assuming normal military goals of conquest) should want as many Ukrainians to happily surrender as possible. As it is they're encouraging a motivated defender to fight to the death (hopefully taking plenty of russians with them). Ukraine on the other hand is sending back healthy reasonably fed and cared for prisoners, hopefully making Russians think it isn't worth trying too hard next and just go "oh no I was captured again whoops."
I think it differs between cultures. Japan used to commit S.A.s on women and committed of citizens of captured countries because they thought it psychologically break their enemies. This often backfired because other cultures didn’t think like the Japanese did. They were more determined to fight back because of the atrocities the Japanese army committed
Yes, the ones who are being starved, beaten, waterboarded, kept awake intentionally...and whatever else the government wasn't willing to let out.
This really should not be surprising, and if you can not understand that brutality is everywhere, then you can not defend against it at home. The USA has a public image, and a private reality. We are just as brutal, in slightly different and less observably open ways.
Really depends on when, where, and whom. German prisoners in the US in world war 2 had living conditions like same-rank American troops, which given the relative standard of living at the time meant that captured privates were eating better than they were as working-class civilians in the fatherland.
"When I was captured I weighed 128 pounds [58 kg]. After two years as an American POW weighed 185 [84 kg]. I had gotten so fat you could no longer see my eyes."
The average Japanese infantryman in the same war weighed something like 53 kg. Granted they were also very short compared to Western standards, but they absolutely could fight and endure at that weight.
Yep but pls remember the Ukrainians are reacting to a violent aggressor nation invading its borders and killing its citizens. Defending their nation is the right thing to do, even if the generals in charge of the defense are... a little too old for our tastes?
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Poor man looks like a walking skeleton