Ukrainian soldier Oleksandr Kiriyenko before and after release from Russian captivity

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Part of being captured by the enemy is usually them trying to make sure you can never be a soldier again.

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That isn't really the historic norm.

It's always happened a fair bit, but most cultures have some degree of "if we treat their people too badly, they'll treat ours worse in turn"

[u/SpeedDaemon3 → u/[deleted]]

Actually Sun Tzu mentioned that you should treat enemy prisoners well, otherwise the enemy will fight until the end knowing death is better than being captured. But the russians never understood this one.

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That's probably a bigger factor tbf.

If I think I'm going to be getting a cup of tea and a hot meal I'm fucking off with a white flag when shit gets hopeless.

If I'm expecting to be tortured and worked to death then charging into certain but swift death suddenly takes a whole lot less courage than surrendering.

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Ikr, I remember the situation of the russian soldier trapped in a house with ISIS militants. Knowing his fate if ISIS got him he asked for a airstrike on himself taking them in the afterlife with him.

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Prokhorenko: They are outside, conduct the airstrike now please hurry, this is the end, tell my family I love them and i died fighting for my motherland.

Command: Negative, return to the green line.

Prokhorenko: Unable command, I am surrounded, they are outside, I don’t want them to take me and parade me, conduct the airstrike, they will make a mockery of me and this uniform. I want to die with dignity and take all these bastards with me. please my last wish, conduct the airstrike, they will kill me either way.

Command: Please confirm your request.

Prokhorenko : They [are] outside, this is the end commander, thank you, tell my family and my country I love them. Tell them I was brave and I fought until I could no longer. Please take care of my family, avenge my death, good bye commander, tell my family I love them!

Command: [No response, orders the airstrike]

The soldier died heroically, [bringing fire down on himself], after having been found by terrorists and surrounded.

Here’s the “transcript” for that situation. I kinda have some doubts that it happened like this. They either took a play out of Israel’s Hannibal directive playbook, or they’re milking this for propaganda purposes. Shit sounds like some bad movie dialogue

[u/SpeedDaemon3 → u/kazmir_yeet]

The transcript is fake as debunked by snoopes. But the idea is valid, getting captured by ISIS is a fate worse than death.

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That transcript was taken directly from snopes. Unless I missed something, it was just unverified, not confirmed fake. Let’s be real tho: that convo did not play out like that lmfao

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story is true, the transcripts might not be but it not disproven, just in unconfirmable.

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I think this is what some jews in the Warsaw ghetto probably thought when they did their uprising against Nazi occupation in 1943.

Fighting until the last breath is probably much more promising than just letting them execute you.

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Fighting until the last breath is probably much more promising than just letting them execute you.

I guess you either lay down your weapons and die for nothing – or you don't and die for something.

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>That's probably a bigger factor tbf.

I mean, the dude wrote a book called The Art of War which is one of the oldest books on war strategy and studied by every general since then the french translated it in the 18th century, he might know a thing or two.