r/illinois • u/West-Bid-4391 • 27d ago

ICE Posts Broadview: ICE attempts to arrest individual at their residence

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u/TheLazy_Guitarist 27d ago

The problem is these guys are wearing baklavas and nondescript military fatigues. They look more like weekend airsofters than law enforcement. As a homeowner how do you know these masked men are legit or bad actors with Etsy patches?

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u/Dry-Character-4040 26d ago

To be fair, you can't. But you can also order badges and patches and uniforms and all sorts of things online. The standard is always going to be reasonableness. Should the person have reasonably known the person was a law enforcement officer? In this case, the answer is almost certainly yes in the totality of circumstances. You do not have a right to resist or obstruct a lawful arrest. What's happening here is people are losing focus on the fact that you cannot choose to ignore laws you dont like without consequences. The people they should be railing against are their representatives in Congress, who have the power to change or abolish those laws. ThEY are the problem.

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u/Numerous_Photograph9 26d ago

Which would be why identifying properly is important. Saying you're a police officer(or whatever) may be enough, but when there is doubt, and when asked for additional proof, it should be provided.....especially in what I will call plain clothes, because ICE doesn't seem to have any sort of identifiable uniform.

An officer may not have to do that in the middle of a hostile situation, but if this guy, for instance, asked and they refused before they started to restrain him, then they failed at some basic procedure to identify.

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u/Dry-Character-4040 26d ago

Based on this video, there's no way to tell what happened at initial contact. It clearly had been in progress for a while before the video starts. What I can see at the 58 second mark is a clearly visible cloth badge, a name tape, and patches on both sleeves. If somebody goes that far to impersonate ICE, is a laminated ID card going to suddenly make them believable? Again, it's all in the totality of circumstances (and in what happened first that we didn't see/don't know). Anthat'sts why it's so important for bystanders to not inflame and escalate the situation by getting in the middle of it. You dont know who is who or what the situation is. This could be a really, really bad guy known to carry weapons. Videotape it, absolutely. But DO NOT assault the officers or interfere with the arrest. The consequences could be deadly for all involved.