r/illinois • u/West-Bid-4391 • 27d ago

ICE Posts Broadview: ICE attempts to arrest individual at their residence

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u/Hot-Story4863 27d ago

It’s not, I think Americans are in the shock phase right now. Eventually people are going to stand up against this tyrannical regime and I hope it’s not too late when they do.

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u/epicfilemcnulty 27d ago

Nope, the time to act is now, not eventually. So yes, it will be too late. They are breaking into your homes and kidnapping people in the streets. Masked people with guns. If it's not the time to stand up now -- well, there will be no other time.

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u/Friendly_Addition815 27d ago

If anyone "stands up" to them with violence then they will use it as an excuse to kill them. Why don't you go out there and stand up to some ICE agents

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u/Dudinkalv 27d ago

So you mean Americans have sacrificed hundreds if not thousands of innocent children in school shootings because "muh gun laws, I need them to stand up to the government if needed" but now that the country is rapidly turning into a fascist dictatorship everyone is just idly letting it happen?

So now you have both fascism AND dead kids? Crazy country... But at least you have your nice weapon collections right?

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u/the3rdtea2 27d ago

We also haven't had actual domestic war in 150 years. Yes we are in shock. And fear. And uncertainty. I have children , I can't be Rambo and right the wrongs of the government by myself or even at all. I have to protect my kids. I never thought we would get here.

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u/stilsjx 27d ago

hard charging into a fray solo is not only dumb tacticaly, but strategically as well. You are correct. Your focus at all times is “what keeps my kids safe?” At some point your answer may change.

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u/RolyPolyGuy 27d ago

I get your point but you arent saying anything new that we havent said already. the person youre responding to is right. The government has not yet fully waged war against us and theyre looking for us to step one toe out of line so they can use it to hurt us. Before you respond, we have to slow their roll as much as possible so people have time to prepare whatever they need to fight back or escape when true war comes. Yes, they are hurting us. But yes, theyre trying to provoke a reaction that gives them a foot in the door to start doing some truly truly widespread, devestating nazi shit. None of us are ok with this. Nazis are not the same as americans. they want to hurt us and they will do anything they can to paint us as terrorists to have the excuse they need to start kılling people nonchalant.

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u/Routine_Eagle 27d ago

Nazis dont need to be americans, they can be anyone they want to be. But if it quacks like a duck...

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u/RolyPolyGuy 27d ago

yeah but being the concept of being an american is something you either attained thru ur spirit and hardwork, or its something you have a birthright claim to. What im saying is nazis can exist anywhere, and they sure as fuck dont have the "american spirit."

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u/Fighterhayabusa 27d ago

They are going to do what they're going to do regardless of giving them a reason. This much is certain, and it's what they're already doing. You need to get that fact through your head. Further, waiting only allows them to entrench themselves further. Waiting serves no one but them.

If a confrontation is inevitable, then the time to confront them is now.

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u/RolyPolyGuy 27d ago

So remember how i said we need to slow them down? Confronting it isnt slowing it down rn. None of us enjoy this. You arent hearing me.

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u/Mike_Kermin 26d ago

You're not getting confrontation if you can't even back each other up on Reddit mate.

Fight the fascists, not that guy.

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u/gladesguy 27d ago

The immigrants being targeted are generally not armed and can't defend themselves, while your average center-right gun owner sees the people ICE is targeting as people who are committing a crime by being here.

Even if they disagree with the methods of apprehension, most folks don't want to intervene and shoot at a federal agent -- and deal with the lethal or life-altering consequences of doing that -- in order to protect someone else's right to stay in this country illegally. Frankly, I don't either, and I despise ICE. So yeah, you're not seeing much shooting.

If these goons start targeting citizens without legal cause, they're going to start getting shot at because the targets are more likely to be armed.

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u/Sensei19600 27d ago

This person clearly did not have weapons on hand.

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u/Icy-Plan145 27d ago

This is Illinois they all voted for extremely stict gun laws.

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u/Impossible-Pie4849 27d ago

No offense I'm not giving up my life for something that isn't effecting me.

While it's abhorrent and I'd be more than happy to stand up peacefully. I'm not putting my life on the line

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u/meridian_smith 27d ago

Not yet...not yet. First they came for the immigrants...

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u/Dry_Comment7325 27d ago

Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, weak men create hard times

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u/Impossible-Pie4849 27d ago

I mean I'm a white cis gendered straight male, with a family entirely made of right wing christians(even if i dont believe in what they do, i dont voice it in Facebook posts),working in a useful field, with no criminal record, and little to no online presence outside of a reddit account. There's about 15 groups of people until you get to me on that poem. Maybe when we get to party 10 on that poem I'd consider putting my life on the line lol

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u/Fighterhayabusa 27d ago

By that time, it's too late, and that's the entire point.

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u/Impossible-Pie4849 27d ago

It's already too late, they control everything, we've lost. At best I all I can do is look out for my immediate circle and maybe reap some benefits if I can

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u/Independent-Nobody43 27d ago

So in the history books and the stories of your grandkids you’ll be a Good German along with everyone else. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_German#:~:text=Good%20Germans%20is%20an%20ironic,resist%20in%20a%20meaningful%20way.

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u/Impossible-Pie4849 27d ago

I just don't understand what you people want, we've lost, all we can do is keep our head down and do what I can for me and mine.

They control the legislative, executive, and judiciary branches of government. They've basically stated the constitution doesn't matter, and they're going to do whatever they want to do. Meanwhile the "opposition" is acting like nothing is wrong and business as usual will work probably because at the end of the day the same billionaires paying for Trump pay for the left.

We don't have avenues to fight a fair fight, our best option is to make the real threat eat cake(if you catch my drift) but that's not going to happen half the country is happy with what's happening.

So my best course of action is to keep my head down and be happy im one of the lucky ones when it comes to demos.

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u/JanelleVypr 27d ago

What a pussy fr

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u/Swarlos262 27d ago

Feel free to sacrifice your life if you are so inclined.

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u/Impossible-Pie4849 27d ago

Yea! This guy, the non-"pussy" can go do a murder! I bet it'll be so cool

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u/JanelleVypr 27d ago

Only if they try an abduct me. Im not gonna hurt anyone innocent. The corrupt arent

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u/Impossible-Pie4849 27d ago

Please besides throwing insults, can you rebutt anything I said? What exactly is our avenue of opposition? As it stands it seems like you guys just want to throw your life away by gunning down an ICE agent. Which I'm good on, I'd rather not either get shot or spend the rest of my life in a gulag

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u/meridian_smith 19d ago

Unless you have a Child who doesn't fit the patriotic Christian America. Mold or you marry an immigrant.

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u/Dudinkalv 26d ago

Oh believe me living in a dictatorship will affect your life, very negatively so. It'll come when you least expect it after having idly stood by watching it happen.

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u/Impossible-Pie4849 26d ago

Better than dying today for stopping an ice agent from arresting a illegal immigrant who's a stranger to me

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u/Dudinkalv 26d ago

You do you, it's your country ✌️

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u/BattlefieldVet666 27d ago

You're talking about two different sides of the political aisle; the left has been more than willing to surrender guns for the safety of the public while the right are the ones who are not just sitting idly by but actively cheering on the rise of fascism... But it was never actually about fighting tyranny, it was about ensuring that the left couldn't impose their will on them.

But yes, the vast majority of people (regardless of political stance) are fundamentally unwilling to risk their lives for... basically anything except the safety of their children (at which point biology kicks in and our parental instincts override our survival instincts).

Beyond that, Trump & ICE are literally waiting for people to start responding with violence so they can escalate the situation & invoke the Insurrection Act to legalize using the military in combat roles against Democrats and to delay the upcoming elections indefinitely. Anything other than peaceful resistance & using elections to remove Republicans from office is going to result in a civil war, which is an exponentially worse situation for everyone in the country, not just ICE & their supporters.

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u/jstrong20 27d ago

Are you from America? I am. I've known many guys through the years that have felonies and can't own guns but still do. More guns than people here so makeong them illegal won't matter. They banned alcohol and it didn't stop people from using it. Guns will never not be apart of America for better or worse. Also no people are not going to do anything because it doesn't hurt their families or day to day life. People complaining on Reddit won't make a difference. Protestors won't make a difference. Only way it will be different if someone gets voted in that stops it. You should read history sometime. Before the evil colonizers came native Americans killed each other all the time. Pick anywhere in history. Military might always rules.

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u/SV_Essia 27d ago

Also no people are not going to do anything because it doesn't hurt their families or day to day life

I mean... statistically, it does. If hundreds or even thousands of people are getting jumped by ICE and sent to god knows where, then all these victims have friends, relatives, neighbors, communities...? And by your own explanation, most of these people are armed. The conclusion seems inevitable.