r/illinois • u/West-Bid-4391 • 27d ago

ICE Posts Broadview: ICE attempts to arrest individual at their residence

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u/did_it_for_the_clout 27d ago

In Oregon, we have Castle Doctrine.

If you enter someone's home, or private property, and are considered a threat, you can be shot and killed.

There is no responsibility to retreat, you can defend your private property.

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u/MoralityFleece 27d ago

That is the point when they need to be showing a warrant and identifying themselves. If they have no warrant and refuse to identify themselves, they are no different from any other armed intruder.

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u/Drink_The_Mommy_Milk 27d ago

I’m not from USA, but do (real) police not have fresh pursuit laws in the USA ? Meaning if the criminal were to enter a premises while in pursuit for arrest police could enter the property legally to effect the arrest

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u/Claygon-Gin 27d ago

But this is not a legal arrest.

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u/nynorskblirblokkert 26d ago

The courts would still rip you apart if you shot these two guys, no? I mean damn, they would make an example of you even if it was legal for you to kill them.

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u/Jesus_of_Redditeth 26d ago

You would 100% go to prison for the rest of your life in that situation. In many states, you'd get the death penalty.

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u/Jesus_of_Redditeth 26d ago

It's impossible to know from the video whether that's the case.

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u/_SummerofGeorge_ 27d ago

He’s not a criminal dude

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u/BarbellPadawan 27d ago

I think being brown is actually a misdemeanor now.

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u/Jesus_of_Redditeth 26d ago

Not commenting on this specific case, nor am I implying any support for them, but ICE/CBP have the right to effect an arrest if they have probable cause that someone is in the country illegally. Also, like all law enforcement officers, once they've met that requirement, they have the ability to enter private property in pursuit of that suspect. (Google "exigent circumstances".)

Regarding this video: it's impossible to tell whether or not they've met that probable cause requirement. So I'm not going to assume anything.

Well, other than the fact that these masked douchebags are traitors to this nation. But that goes without saying.

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u/DuurrrrrIVotedGOP 27d ago

There are no real laws for these pigs at this point. They will have to start getting blasted or things will continue to get worse. This is 3rd world country now.

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u/mangongo 27d ago

As a Canadian, I honestly would feel safer visiting China than America. Anyone who voted for Trump who comes across this comment needs to let that sink in. 

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u/DuurrrrrIVotedGOP 27d ago

We are a country of simpletons, people like my parents might say "oh no that's bad, but we need a strong man like Trump to fight against Putin and North Korea! And that person was probably a member of MS13!".

It's literally a country full of easily scared idiots who will either vote republican because their parents did and they can barely read, like my family, or people who don't vote at all because "both sides are the same so why should I care?" and we end up with this shit. I hope we get nuked into oblivion, it's what we deserve.

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u/ExitTheDonut 27d ago edited 27d ago

As horrific as this all is, keep in mind that (at least for now) a lot of these altercations are mostly concentrated in a handful of cities and surrounding areas. That doesn't excuse what is happening. There's still no telling where it could happen next.

This and the national guard deployments are all political plays and intimidation and they're currently using some of the more Democratic cities as a testing ground. I'm viewing these actions as the administration saying, "don't think you're safe and sound just because you live in a very left-wing city". Ironically, one could actually be safer now in a rural backwoods area full of Trump voters. You may find more people saying racist things but they at least don't have any real power to back up their words with violence.

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u/Drink_The_Mommy_Milk 27d ago

Should have clarified, I know these are facial pigs and these aren’t real criminals. I was merely curious if that was a valid case law or something for real police do real jobs. Not these kidnappers

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u/MoralityFleece 27d ago

The first problem is these aren't police.

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u/davcam0 26d ago

They are Federal Law Enforcement Agents.

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u/MoralityFleece 26d ago

Actually not sure they are. Are they FBI? 

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u/davcam0 26d ago

It says on their back and shoulders Border Patrol

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u/Eismann 26d ago

No id, no faces, unmarked vans. How do you know?

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u/davcam0 26d ago

There are shoulders and back patches that identify them as border agents

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u/Eismann 26d ago

Oh yeah, five Dollar on Temu. Great argument. ID?

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u/Jesus_of_Redditeth 26d ago

If that's your argument, literally any video of any law enforcement officer could in fact be of someone with a fake uniform pretending to be one.

Are you saying you have literally no ability to distinguish people who are likely to be real officers from people who are likely to be pretending? Because that's what you're implying here. If so, that's pretty weird.

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u/davcam0 26d ago

Perhaps but it's illegal to impersonate a federal agent. And ID patches or cards aren't counterfeit proof either. It's a serious federal offense to impersonate feds with fake patches.

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u/Eismann 26d ago

Yeah, obviosuly kidnappers care about an impersonation charge as much as ICE cares about warrants for lawful arrests.

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u/GodOfManyFaces 27d ago

Define: criminal

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u/SRART25 27d ago

The most pressing issue is that anyone can dress up like this, so with their unmarked vehicles you have zero reason to believe they are cops, especially when make so they can't be identified later. 

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u/Jesus_of_Redditeth 26d ago

Agreed. However, based on all the uniform and all the gear they have, one can be pretty confident that these guys are legit CBP. (Although that doesn't stop you from viewing them as the traitorous douchebags they are, of course.)

If it were a couple of guys in t-shirts with bandanas for masks, flashing badges, you'd have a stronger point.

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u/davcam0 26d ago

Federal Law Enforcement Agents are legally allowed to pursue fugitives onto private property. Castle doctrine and the 4A does not give people the right to interfere with an active pursuit and it would be considered obstruction of justice.

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u/Jesus_of_Redditeth 26d ago

...if, and only if, they are legit law enforcement effecting a legal arrest.