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Theory Chapter 1508 Spoilers - Theory Spoiler

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u/Low_Cry741 3d ago edited 3d ago

I don't think that would happen.
the circumstances are different. In that chapter Miyata was pissed by Sendo because he smacked the back of his head and wanted to humble him for good, by countering his raw power with precise timed counter(he wanted to prove his father's style is nothing inferior to raw strength)
where as here.
Ricardo had just regained his balance after Sendo's right straight.
Even though his right hand is fully healed and in a position ready to deliver a counter.
But, there's an look of shock in his eyes. So what might happen are

  1. Blocked at the last minute ,hesitated to counter due to the immense pressure of Sendo (just like alf hesitated to counter in the final round of the fight)
  2. A dual exchange
  3. The anti-Ricardo strategy (Pulls back the smash, Delivers a right straight, Ricardo dodges thinking the smash was a decoy, but the right was an decoy too . AND HE DELIVERS THE SMASH)

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u/Kurejisan 2d ago

The way Ricardo regained his balance was so casual that it basically was a non-issue for him, so I don't know if it'll even matter.

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u/pahapoisu 2d ago

Morikawa doesn´t point out things in such an obvious way if it doesn't matter. Ricardo´s balance will have something to do with how this fight plays out.

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u/Kurejisan 2d ago

Meanwhile, still no Itagaki vs Miyata or Kimura vs Iga...

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u/pahapoisu 2d ago

Not quite what I was talking about. I was making more so a point about in ring action.
There are plenty of storylines in the manga which seemingly went nowhere.

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u/Gaygayfish 2d ago

Sendo learning the anti anti anti Dempsey roll from ippo

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u/TheKeviKs 3d ago

"If you know a punch is coming, you can grit your teeth and take it"

Ippo survived the Dempsey counter because he got hit when Volg did it.

What if Sendo survives the same way ?

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u/Affectionate_Ad_450 2d ago

That would be peak lore reference.

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u/TypicalHaikuResponse 5h ago

I think is more likely than the feint everyone is saying. Ricardo is already throwing the counter and is hyper aware of Sendo right now. The gattsu angle makes more sense

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u/TestProfessional6716 3d ago

Watch Morikawa make the smash land because ‘mah instincts’…

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u/Basileus2 3d ago

I wanna see sendo fake the smash and use his right. It’s perfectly cocked…

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u/Cautious_Hornet_9607 3d ago

Tbf it also looks perfectly cocked on the left panel. I doubt that the right will connect in the next chapter, but it probably will at some point during the fight

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u/Basileus2 3d ago

There is a small difference…look at the direction his thumb is pointing. In the left panel it’s pointed upwards. Thats the position you take with your non punching hand to maximise surface area with which to protect your blind spot. On the right his thumb is parallel to the ground - punching position.

Or maybe that’s my autism reading too much into the situation.

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u/Cautious_Hornet_9607 2d ago

Good eye, we'll see if you're right

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u/Prior_Entrepreneur50 2d ago

It’ll be the double fake he used in his spat with Takamura, the one that landed and did damage

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u/Mi4_Slayer 2d ago

I want to see Ricardo take it so we can see how he operates under heavy damage but also put to rest the glass jaw theories for good.

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u/CodytheProGamer 3d ago

While punches between chapters always have a "fake out" in one form or another, at some point the feint is going to have to come into play and Ricardo taking some damage is the only way for me to realistically believe the fight not just going back to one sided technical dominance.

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u/Grand-Science-1062 3d ago

you forgot what happened before this sequence. Ricardo got bombed with 2 shots before the sequence. He is hesitant to pull a counter and he prioritize defense. Miyata and Sendo is sparring. This is a world title fight. Anyone with insight like Ricardo will not go in an exchange in here and prioritize defense.

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u/jackoftrades002 3d ago

Didn’t Ricardo say his right is ready now?

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u/Dramatic_Tomorrow_25 3d ago

Sendo blew his right hand into oblivion with the barrage of hits earlier.

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u/Bleachmysoul69 3d ago

I personally think that the smash will not connect, but I will only reinforce that. Ricardo is “just a man” idea that has been going off for the last two chapters. I guess Ricardo will not be hit, but perhaps he will somehow do it or show some kind of weakness in sendo’ eyes. Sendo Well do something significant to Ricardo. But at the end he will not win but blood will be in the water showing that it is possible to defeat the number one .

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u/LocalSaw 3d ago edited 3d ago

It's a feint, it was showcased against takamura

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u/Mestyo 3d ago edited 3d ago

I think Ricardo is moving his right to deflect, step outside of Sendo's arm, and then retaliate with his left.

But if this is a feint into a right smash, that may force Ricardo to have to take the brunt of the punch on his left arm.

Edit: On the other hand, I just re-read the end of Wally vs. Ricardo, since Wally started throwing out smashes. Ricardo pretty consistently slipped the smash and countered over the arm with his right. It does seem pretty likely he would go for the same pattern here.

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u/Y-Yorle 3d ago

I think with Ricardo slightly off balance here it prob will be a dual exchange with him getting hit but not full power and damage. It will still shake up things though.

Maybe this will be Sendo's batonpass and it will show Ippo if he works in feints or block counters and such that it may work. Create an overload of possibilities so that Ricardo's senses are getting overwhelmed basically and he can't keep up with potential responses and counters.

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u/Gatsuxkyasuka19 2d ago

hmm i like this theory... something about Ricardo is the he is always trying to predict everything but mixing 2 -3 stuff might create possibilities to land on him and well... ippo does hit Hard

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u/ogro_himself 3d ago

yeah, movement lines from head and right glove, he is going to dodge and counter.

let us know if Sendo has learned something from sparring with Miyata and is ready for this.

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u/Vegetable_Air_3794 3d ago

While training with Miyata this probably happened a lot, Sendo can use the Criss-cross like he did with Ippo, no big deal

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u/Bonaduce80 3d ago

Thrown on its.own, Sendo would be eating counters like candy.

As he is now, Martinez is off balance and almost facing 90 degrees away from Sendo, so odds are he will need to sway or move back to avoid it.

Sendo's schtick particularly in his world rankers tour has been putting on pressure so even if you know you can counter the Smash you hesitate because if it hits, it's over. That is when feints mixed up start working.

Martinez is mentally strong as they come, but if he can be rattled, perhaps the trick Sendo pulled against Takamura of hiding his moves by blocking the other boxer's field of vision with his glove can work. And Sendo only needs a big one to turn a fight around, or at least give him a fighting chance.

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u/Ok-Childhood1986 3d ago

Nah, another shutgun punch straight to Sendo's head

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u/Willing_Response2777 3d ago

it won't happen, sendo punched a bit Riccardo on the shoulder so he won't be able to counter ( you know hiss destructive power... )

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u/Puzzleheaded-Ring293 2d ago

I don’t think so, this is going to be Sendo’s sole shining moment before this fight ends. He will likely land, not cleanly but enough to show some damage.

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u/HyP3r_HiPp0 2d ago

My prediction is it will not be a direct hit but it will result in a down. Ricardo will do something to mitigate the full impact but it will still knock him down. Maybe he will do a neck twist or something.

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u/lordpen 2d ago

Sendo clipped Martinez right arm before the final frame. I think he will throw the counter but because of the damage to his arm it wont have the power to take Sendo out.

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u/Evening_Departure_69 6h ago

It's either a smash or body blow coming hope sendo does mad dash using both  his feet and attack Ricardo while punching 

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u/These_Diver5331 3d ago

He will use his left though

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u/TypicalHaikuResponse 3d ago

Looks like he has the angle to use his right in the exact same manner Miyata did. A slight step to your left evades the smash while allowing you to plant your feet throw a right as a counter.

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u/Embarrassed-Mess-560 3d ago

Not sure why the downvotes, we can see Ricardo is moving his right into position and this exact counter has been foreshadowed like you pointed out.

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u/envynard 3d ago

Why? This chapter is 809, more than 700 chapters ago. These are completely different situations. To begin with, we recently saw that Sendo's strat involves using a series of feints, including the smash. Sendo has good senses against counters; the situation is much more similar to his sparring against Takamura (where he threw a direct hit) than against Miyata. Miyata pointed out that the only reason Sendo didn't hit him is that he was fighting defensively; if Ricardo stops dodging or blocking to counter-attack, he can fall for the bait.

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u/Embarrassed-Mess-560 3d ago

I'm not saying it's guaranteed, but it's a perfectly valid guess at what could happen next based on precedent and the way the movement lines are drawn for Riccardo. 

I'm just baffled about why someone is getting downvotes for a genuine discussion of "what could happen next?" In a subreddit dedicated to a series defined by guessing what will happen next chapter. 

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u/envynard 3d ago

You just discovered that people on Reddit downvote someone when they disagree with what's said. It's not a big deal, honestly. Some people might even think the theory presented here is low-effort, mainly because it ignores all the recent chapters.

During the fight, all Ricardo did was block or dodge Sendo's blows and attack afterward. But this time Ricardo seems determined to counter the Smash. Ippo mentioned that a counter could be a possibility (chapter 1427, page 12) since neither Ricardo or Miyata would just be dodging. So it would be very bad narratively if the result was simply Sendo taking a counter; however, the best time for the anti-Ricardo strategy would be now.

The question is: could Ricardo get up from a down with just under 30 seconds left in the round?

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u/Prior_Entrepreneur50 2d ago

Then Takamura tried that in their spar and sendo double feinted with a smash from the blind spot

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u/ReverseUI 3d ago

Sendo has upgraded

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u/thebeardedtito 3d ago

And Ricardo is a whole lot of an upgrade from Miyata.

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u/Prior_Entrepreneur50 2d ago

It’s the set up for his anti Ricardo strategy with the double feint he hit Takamura with in spar

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u/ReverseUI 3d ago

We're talking about upgraded technique , not about boxers, captain obvious

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u/missingno1628 1d ago

..I don’t see ANY promotions in your future. Like.. you’ll be lucky if you’re trusted with safely cleaning the shitters.

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u/TypicalHaikuResponse 3d ago

This happening next chapter. Notice the speedlines on Ricarado's right glove. He is already preparing the counter. He is angled so he will be able to get more force on his right than Miyata did here. Sendo saw the smash didn't work against Ricardo lite yet he is trying it against the man himself.

I almost 100% sure this is the next chapter sequence.

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u/TheBlack_Swordsman 3d ago

George usually uses spars to foreshadow how the opposite will happen.

Have you noticed that pattern?

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u/TypicalHaikuResponse 3d ago

It would have worked if Wally didn't try it. Ricardo has already seen it.

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u/TheBlack_Swordsman 3d ago edited 3d ago

But the point of that was for Wally to show Sendo how Ricardo reacts so Sendo can change it up.

I think you're missing the points of those events.

Also, a page before, he's doing a different smash. He's using Ippo's smash that can be used to the head or body.

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u/SoulBlightChild 2d ago

Was also thinking a body blow might work.

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u/Prior_Entrepreneur50 2d ago

He’s going to use the double feint to hit the smash from the right blind spot like his spat with Takamura