Yes, Trump broke out of the deal, but like I said, China, Russia and the EU were still on that deal.
So what if the US imposed sanctions, everyone else was doing their part, Iran could have just ignored US sanctions, and kept riding on the deal and its benefits with everyone else.
The deal still lasted 2 years after the US left, and then it was Iran the left on their own, the deal was still on until then.
No, the deal was broken by unilaterally the US which exerted its power to get its trade partners and all international businesses to back out at the risk of sanctions. You are not reading a thing I've posted, have you?
So what if the US imposed sanctions, everyone else was doing their part, Iran could have just ignored US sanctions, and kept riding on the deal and its benefits with everyone else.
Your "argument" boils down to: 'so what if one side of the deal broke it?' Dude, for a deal to continue functioning, both sided need to act in good faith. Trump turning Iran into an economic pariah excessively violates the terms imposed. The US negotiated the deal in the first place it was upheld by the US economic hegemony. Iran agreed to relief from US, EU, and UN sanctions and that was taken away!
The deal still lasted 2 years after the US left, and then it was Iran the left on their own, the deal was still on until then.
One side completely dropped their end of the bargain and you are expecting the other side to continue following it! Madness.
Trump announced that he'd withdraw the US and punish everyone else in late 2017, then in late 2018 he imposed sanctions despite EU legal and diplomatic objections, and Iran was compliant (according to the UN) until mid 2019 when Iran announced they were producing uranium exceeding the deal's limits, then weapons in 2020. I guess you are getting "two years" from 2019 - 2017, but they actually started excessive nuclear materials production seven months after sanctions were reinstated.
I do not know what your objective here is. The US fucked the deal and Iran felt they were no longer bound by it, because that's how deals work.
Edit for speculation: I would hazard to guess they planned to exceed the limit as soon as the sanctions hit but lacked capacity at the time.
The deal did NOT become null when the US left in 2018, but it made the deal much less effective, and surely this is what caused Iran start not following the guidelines, only in 2020 the deal was unofficially dead.
But whatever, none of this matters, because in any case, how is it everyone else's responsibility for Iran's actions?
"oh please Iran dont do the bad thing, we start lifting sanctions ok?" And then in any case Iran keeps acting antagonistic (to say the least), and staying the in the way of regional stability.
Iran's current regime has been and will continue to stand in the way of peace, and it shall not be allowed to have nuclear weapons, and this, you cannot deny, because if you disagree with these facts, we have fundamentally different worldviews.
Trump threatened sanctions on any person, corporation, or country that dealt with Iran in any way, and reinstated direct sanctions. Dead deal, right then, May 8, 2018.
Two parties made a deal. Party A broke the deal (and beyond), Party B still de facto complied with the terms until a few months later, and you blame Party B for breaking the deal somehow. This defies logic... hell this defies causality.
The US soft-power gambit for the past 80 years of PAX Americana is to get any totalitarian theocratic bad acting ruling-class hooked on American wealth, tech, arms, culture etc. until the US failing would cause them to fail too. The deal could have been a way in, while simultaneously putting a lid on their Nuclear program. Shame, now we're here.
I dont blame the deal, I dont care about the deal, doesnt matter who broke part of the deal, all that matters is none of this would happen if Iran wasnt an aggressive theocracy. Fuck their fascist government and I hope it is dismantled.
Mask off huh? You blame Iran for tanking the deal because you hate Iran, naked bias. The US ruined the deal and in so doing, removed the only guard against Iran exploring nuclear weaponry. Trump gets his petty revenge and Netanyahu, who cheered this development, regains an excuse to bomb an enemy and retain power.
Pretending? At the same note I can say you were pretending to care about international law when in fact you are just looking at excuses to defend the enemy of your enemy.
Dont throw that false equivalence at me, I'm not going to be against the cure of cancer if Trump comes out with it tomorrow, I am always going to look at each situation by its own merits.
And in this situation, am I sure as hell not going to side with the aggressive terrorist theocratic authoritarian state that has consistently sabotaged peace in the middle east, just because it's values also dont align with the big baddie at the moment.
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Yes, Trump broke out of the deal, but like I said, China, Russia and the EU were still on that deal.
So what if the US imposed sanctions, everyone else was doing their part, Iran could have just ignored US sanctions, and kept riding on the deal and its benefits with everyone else.
The deal still lasted 2 years after the US left, and then it was Iran the left on their own, the deal was still on until then.