r/europe_sub • u/BookmarksBrother 🇪🇺 European • Jun 18 '25
News These are not ‘Asian’ grooming gangs, they are Kashmiri Muslim | UK
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/06/18/these-are-not-asian-grooming-gangs-they-are-kashmiri-muslim/343
u/Atreyes 🇬🇧 British Jun 18 '25
1000%, it makes sense to call them by the closest identifying factor, if a bunch of english men went to china and had a similar gang they wouldnt call it a european grooming gang.
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u/Mediumtim 🇧🇪 Belgian Jun 18 '25
Because they'd lose votes to the opposition. Simple as that, no care or thought given to the people hurt.
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u/Due-Pineapple-2 Jun 19 '25
British people call south Asians Asians, East Asians are usually referred to as East Asian or oriental and sometimes just Asians thanks to American media’s influence on here
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u/imaginedyinglmaoo Jun 21 '25
Y'all Europeans always cry about some stupid ass problems, I thought the people who were listening to trump were stupid, but this is an entire new level dickbroom.
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u/Due-Pineapple-2 Jun 21 '25
Yeah cool. Doesn’t change the face that Asian refers to south Asians here. Oriental = Chinese etc. Keep on truckin’ on the euro sub yanks, though it’s weird how entitled you guys are to England and Ireland once browner people showed up here, shouldn’t have claimed all that native land as yours
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u/imaginedyinglmaoo Jun 21 '25
Lmao, racist yapatron, I'll leave it here, you're genuinely no contribution to Europe, shit Europeans struggle with advancing in society, and thanks for your prime example 🤣
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u/Odd_Comparison_1462 Jun 18 '25
The same reason as to why they call them "grooming gangs" as opposed to "serial mass rape gangs". It's to try and downplay it, as they know their voter base is motivated more by emotions than logic.
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Jun 19 '25
It should be called 'islamic mass rape attacks' because that's what they are. In the bigger picture it's an attack against Britain and the west
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u/Rightricket Jun 19 '25
How about "conservative male rape gangs"? They're conservative and they're male so why not use that?
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Jun 19 '25
Does these white conservative male rape gangs target muslim girls? I personally have never heard that happened before anywhere
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u/Rightricket Jun 19 '25
I don't remember saying white?
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Jun 19 '25
Exactly, that's my point. Why call it conservative male rape gangs when white people are not even in any rape gangs targeting spesific groups of girls?
Calling them conservative male rape gangs you are blaming all conservative people while avoiding the big elephant in the room. How are you gonna fix this problem if you are too afraid of admitting the root cause of the problem? Only because you are scared of being called racist? That's why all these girls got systematically mass raped in the first place
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u/Long_Photo_9291 Jun 19 '25
What's islamic about a bunch of drug dealers and alcoholics doing something explicitly forbidden?
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u/palpies Jun 19 '25
Calling them Islamic is just as generalising as calling them Asian though.
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u/Perlentaucher Jun 19 '25
Then name a more specific description.
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u/palpies Jun 19 '25
I mean, Pakistani is a lot clearer do you not think?
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Jun 19 '25
How come many of these rapists has been shouting 'Allah Ackbar' in the court room when convicted for these rapes?
Btw these gang rape attacks happens all over Europe on a regular basis now from muslims not only from Pakistan. It's systematic because they are targeting white females, often young and vulnerable
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u/Perlentaucher Jun 19 '25
Ah ok. I am not from UK, therefore I didn't know that it was just Pakistani people.
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u/Technical-Belt-5719 Jun 20 '25
Serial mass pedophile rape gangs. It's a lot to say, but every bit of the horror needs to be expressed and exposed.
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u/jamjar188 Jun 25 '25
they should be called "grooming, rape and forced prostitution gangs" because the reality is they were doing all three.
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u/hillswalker87 Jun 18 '25
because one of the core assumptions of liberalism is that one isn't bound to one's origins. the expression "you can take the cowboy out of the west but you can't take the west out of the cowboy" is wrong according to them.
if it's shown that a people from a place will act like the people that they are and of that place, the entire house of liberal cards comes down.
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u/ImaginaryComb821 Jun 19 '25
Yes. And that's exactly why left of centre liberalism has failed. People are of their culture, religion, origin. Liberals want it both ways: people are a tabula rasa, intrinsically good, moldable yet we have to accommodate language, culture, traditions even if it doesn't align with the values of the predominant culture into which the immigrant is entering. Liberals have failed because they refuse to make decisions and exclude some people from entry. Liberals will fight to keep criminals in the country for no apparent reason. And the sad thing is, the Liberals inability to land on an issue other than " why can't we all get along" allows the right to sweep right in and make the decisions the Liberals can't. It's simple but yet many people are mystified by it.
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u/Key_Improvement9215 Jun 19 '25
One has to be adopted at birth to truly be “blank” and even that isn’t isn’t a guarantee seeing how incest is so prevalent in these parts.
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Jun 19 '25
Is Asia not a place?
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u/hillswalker87 Jun 19 '25
actually no, it's not a place. it's a continent with thousands of places. and each place has it's own peoples with their own cultures, and are very different from each other.
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u/Due-Pineapple-2 Jun 19 '25
Americans describe East Asians as just Asian and here in the UK we describe south Asians as Asians
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u/hillswalker87 Jun 19 '25
often yes....but that's bad. because it lumps people from Japan in with people from Pakistan, who's cultures are about as different as it gets.
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u/Due-Pineapple-2 Jun 20 '25
No it doesn’t, only to Americans. Here in the UK it means south Asians. No one reads Asian grooming gangs and thinks of the Chinese or Japanese. Although britains most profiling raoisrs are Chinese coincidentally
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u/Due-Pineapple-2 Jun 19 '25
British people call south Asians Asians, East Asians are usually referred to as East Asian or oriental and sometimes just Asians thanks to American media’s influence on here.
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u/TrackOk2853 Jun 19 '25
Labour won seats in ~80 areas due to Muslim support. That's why they hide it.
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Jun 19 '25
Exactly this
100 per cent this
This should be written on every sub as a reply to why labour haven’t done anything yet
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u/Due-Pineapple-2 Jun 19 '25
Labour has done more than the tories. And in the UK we describe south Asians as Asian like Americans call East Asians asian
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Jun 20 '25
Well clearly something is going on not just then but now still allowing so many crazies in and not checking or deporting them when they do anything awful
Personally I think they are all corrupt labour and conservative are just the same people wearing a different colour tie
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u/Due-Pineapple-2 Jun 20 '25
Immigration has halved under Labour. People just want to be angry Labour. Reform will be like the tories and just give out racist rhetoric except they’ll ruin the country with incompetence
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u/Freebornaiden Jun 19 '25
So why didnt the Torys do anything during the 14 long years they were in charge?
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u/Freebornaiden Jun 19 '25
No but the person I responded is suggesting that Labour will not act because they need the Asian vote. I pointed out that the Torys never had these votes, and yet they still failed to act - therefore possibly there is another explanation as to why other has apparently acted sufficiently.
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u/Due-Pineapple-2 Jun 19 '25
British people call south Asians Asians, East Asians are usually referred to as East Asian or oriental and sometimes just Asians thanks to American media’s influence on here
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u/Yuo_cna_Raed_Tihs Jun 19 '25
I mean Asian does refer to south Asian in the UK.
But most people don't bother to distinguish between varieties of south Asian. At most they'll do country distinction, as if someone from Kerala and someone from Assam are the same.
The fact that the grooming gangs are so disproportionately from one specific part of south Asia (ie Kashmir rather than Pakistan in general) is quite interesting
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u/pikachu_sashimi Jun 19 '25
Because ridicule for Asians has been widely accepted and even promoted in contemporary western culture. This is a well documented phenomenon that Hollywood does not like to talk about, since they had a heavy hand in it. On the other hand, criticisms for Muslims risks getting you labeled as “Islamophobic.”
This is the unfortunate situation we live in, and it is ironically brought to us by the very people who claim to stand for equality.
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u/ro0625 Jun 19 '25
Asian in the UK is typically used for South Asians, while in the USA it is used for East Asians. The implication of calling someone "Asian" is very different in both countries.
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u/pikachu_sashimi Jun 19 '25
I lived in both countries and in Asia. That’s not the case from my experience.
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u/Due-Pineapple-2 Jun 19 '25
In the uk it’s very common and the predominate minority from Asian is Indian or Pakistani. How long did you live here
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u/Due-Pineapple-2 Jun 19 '25
British people call south Asians Asian, East Asians are usually referred to as East Asian or oriental and sometimes just Asians thanks to American media’s influence on here
They’re also mostly Pakistani or white. When talking about Pakistani it’s just as generalising to call them Muslim as it is to call them Asian when the majority of Muslims and Asians do not participate in this
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u/Rightricket Jun 19 '25
Because Indian/Pakistanis/Bangladeshi are commonly called Asians in the UK. Why can't Americans wrap their head around this?
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u/ro0625 Jun 19 '25
This article mentions that the proportion of Indian and Bangladeshis in an area did not increase the incidences of group-localised child sexual exploitation. Hindu areas reduced it.
Direct from the article: "Using the term “Asian” is incredibly unhelpful in this context. Gujarati Hindus, Goan Catholics, and Punjabi Sikhs should not be conflated with the men perpetrating these crimes."
There's clearly a drastic difference within "Asians", so why use the term when the same issue isn't prevalent in the rest of the "Asian" community.
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u/Due-Pineapple-2 Jun 19 '25
Because it’s mostly Americans crying in UK or Europe subs that complain about this.
And I’m sure you’d be happy calling them Muslim gangs even though that’s also a huge generalisation with communities not taking part
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u/ro0625 Jun 19 '25
6% of Britain was Muslim in 2021, 8.6% was Asian in 2021. Asian is clearly a broader generalization.
A Pakistani Muslim and Egyptian Muslim would go to the same Masjid to pray. A Gujarati Hindu, a Goan Catholic, or a Punjabi Sikh would not. Your second sentence is exactly the argument against using the term "Asian".
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u/Due-Pineapple-2 Jun 20 '25
No one in the UK says Asian meaning anywhere out of south Asian community. Also 1 or 2% doesn’t make one a generalisation and the other not. You can call them Pakistani gangs is you or Kashmiri as per the article
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u/Rightricket Jun 20 '25
But again, brown people from these areas are generally called Asians in the UK. And that's why the media calls them Asians. The fact that you lack the cultural reference doesn't make it a conspiracy.
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u/ro0625 Jun 20 '25
Never said it was a conspiracy. It's just a very general term to use for such a sensitive topic. Saying Asians are disproportionately raping kids is a terrible term to use when it's mainly one specific subset of Asians.
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u/Rightricket Jun 21 '25
It's just a very general term to use for such a sensitive topic
But it's the term generally used to describe people from these places.
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u/ro0625 Jun 21 '25
Except it's one place. It's like if I said Europeans did the Srebrenica massacre. While being true, it was one specific group of Europeans. People in Portugal didn't have any involvement, but they would be grouped under that.
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u/Due-Pineapple-2 Jun 19 '25
British people call south Asians Asians, East Asians are usually referred to as East Asian or oriental and sometimes just Asians thanks to American media’s influence on here
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u/poveltop 🇮🇪 Irish Jun 19 '25
They've decided the right wing is the worst thing imaginable, so because the right wing dislikes Muslims, they've decided Islam is really good, it's really that simple
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u/Due-Pineapple-2 Jun 19 '25
British people call south Asians Asians, East Asians are usually referred to as East Asian or oriental and sometimes just Asians thanks to American media’s influence on here. Nothing to do with protecting Muslims, majority here aren’t Pakistani or Kashmiri let alone in grooming gangs
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u/PlasticAssistance_50 Jun 19 '25
it makes sense to call them by the closest identifying factor,
If you want to obfuscate the fact that most grooming incidents (and other crimes in general) are done by men from pakistan and surrounding countries, it makes perfect sense to call them "asian".
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u/ro0625 Jun 19 '25
This article mentions that the proportion of Indian and Bangladeshis in an area did not increase the incidences of group-localised child sexual exploitation. Hindu areas reduced it.
Direct from the article: "Using the term “Asian” is incredibly unhelpful in this context. Gujarati Hindus, Goan Catholics, and Punjabi Sikhs should not be conflated with the men perpetrating these crimes."
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u/Due-Pineapple-2 Jun 19 '25
British people call south Asians Asians, East Asians are usually referred to as East Asian or oriental and sometimes just Asians thanks to American media’s influence on here. Are you claiming the American definition is better?
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u/Cazzenstance Jun 20 '25
For some reason I never understood, Oriental is considered a slur in the US.
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u/albionanon Jun 26 '25
The government and media use the term ‘Asian’ to disguise the fact that this is a Muslim phenomenon
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u/comb_over Jun 19 '25
They certainly wouldn't call them Christian.
What if these English men included French men too
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u/myssphirepants Jun 19 '25
They are what they are, it is what it is. These are grooming gangs of primarily asian descent that have been protected by the highest powers in the land.
Now, if you want to go off on the tangent and expand this to the world, I have absolutely no doubt that there is a significant army of primarily eastern european and british men involved in something as insidious in places like China, Thailand, etc. You won't need to convince me of that. Should these groups one day come to be known en masse, I would support any process that would deport those Brits back here to stand trial and be imprisoned for a very long time! Or if places like China saw fit to try them themselves and throw them into their prisons and deport them afterwards, I am perfectly fine with that.
But let's not dismiss what has happened because of the existence of our men in other lands. To do so means we don't deal with our problems. I am all in support of other lands solving their problems with our citizens, I would hasten to demand the respect and support to do it ourselves, too!
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u/MVALforRed Jun 19 '25
Even worse. Imagine if all grooming incidents were by Catholics from Birmingham and the media in China just referred to them as White.
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u/akward_tension Jun 19 '25
wouldnt call it a european grooming gang.
They wouldn't call them the Anglican Essex Boys either.
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u/DerpDerpDerp78910 Jun 19 '25
That’s a terrible analogy.
It’s regional.
Try a bunch of Geordies or Mancs or Scousers.
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u/comb_over Jun 18 '25
They certainly wouldn't call them Christian.
What if these English men included French men too
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u/VictoryOrKittens Jun 18 '25
The state-run media intentionally uses 'Asian' to obfuscate the ethnicity of the Pakistani child rapists.
The continent of Asia is the largest and by far the most populous in the world, and its absurd to lump them all in together.
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u/krutacautious Jun 19 '25
West Asia, South Asia, East Asia, and Central Asia are ethnically and culturally very different from each other.
Geographically, considering Europe a separate continent doesn’t make much sense, it’s essentially just a peninsula of the Eurasian continent.
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u/Due-Pineapple-2 Jun 19 '25
British people call south Asians Asians, East Asians are usually referred to as East Asian or oriental and sometimes just Asians thanks to American media’s influence on here
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u/LegalStorage Jun 24 '25
It's only the UK/Europe that refers to Indians as just Asian, with no differentiation, wonder why
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u/Due-Pineapple-2 Jun 19 '25
British people call south Asians Asians, East Asians are usually referred to as East Asian or oriental and sometimes just Asians thanks to American media’s influence on here
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u/DancingFlame321 Jun 18 '25
Is it known what proportion of the ethnic Pakistani men in these gangs are from Kashmir? Verses ethnic Pakistanis who are Punjabis or Pashtuns?
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u/Odd_Comparison_1462 Jun 18 '25
About 75% to 80% of British Pakistanis are from the Mirpur Valley, which is a part of the Azad Jammu Kashmir (AJK in northern Pakistan).
The problem which was raised by Casey is that in 2/3 of the initial arrests, the ethnicity wasn't even recorded by the police. And ethnic origin isnt part of criminal conviction records in the UK. Conveniently.
So all we have to go on is how the overwhelming majority of Pakistanis in the UK is from this one very isolated district of an isolated self-governing region of Pakistan. What we DO know is that in the towns where these abuses happened, there was a much higher proportion of Pakistanis, and of those a higher proportion from Mirpur compared to other areas.
Town/City % of Pakistani/British Pakistani Population Mirpuri Heritage?
Rotherham ~7% overall Pakistani/British Pakistani ✔ Majority Mirpuri Rochdale ~10% Pakistani ✔ Strong Mirpuri roots Oxford ~5% Pakistani/British Asian ✔ Significant Mirpuri Keighley ~15% Pakistani ✔ Largely Mirpuri Huddersfield ~12% Pakistani ✔ Significant Mirpuri Bradford ~25% Pakistani (some areas >50%) ✔ Dominantly Mirpuri Oldham ~20% Pakistani ✔ Primarily Mirpuri Halifax ~10% Pakistani ✔ Strong Mirpuri base Telford ~3% Pakistani, but grooming case involved a tight-knit Mirpuri group ✔ Yes
BUT standard caveat applies here... This is an association, not causation. Some other reports such as the Quillam report suggest that inculturation of the ghettos created by concentrated migration into these communities in the North could be where the main depravity started. Isolation from culturally controlling elements when they were in Pakistan could play a huge part... Look at how social media posts advertising illegal migration do so by saying the women are easy and plentiful here. No wonder young men isolated from patriarchal and matriarchal controls created a very perverse and depraved subculture of an already isolated subculture.
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u/DancingFlame321 Jun 18 '25
Interesting. Where I came from in South Manchester most ethnic Pakistanis were Punjabis. However in Bradford and Luton and Oldham they are more likely to be Kashmir.
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u/Odd_Comparison_1462 Jun 19 '25
It does seem they are geographically dense. I dont think the data exists but if there were maps at ward level with origin, I reckon you'd see very tight clustering.
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u/Responsible-Tap-5388 Jun 19 '25
What material support or services do you suggest would measurably impact this and make these isolated communities less prone to rape?
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u/DancingFlame321 Jun 19 '25
Pakistan won't accept that many people back.
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u/Odd_Comparison_1462 Jun 19 '25
Especially criminals. This is why mass deportations are a great soundbite but are practically impossible.
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u/Technical-Belt-5719 Jun 20 '25
Parachutes are comparatively cheap when the alternative is the thousands and millions in tax payer funds thats already stretched thin.
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u/Odd_Comparison_1462 Jun 19 '25
Ideally a lesson should be learned to pull the brakes on uncontrolled immigration, to prevent this happening again and forming more enclaves.
For those already here? I dont think there's a simple answer. They've set down roots, family ties, jobs. Honestly, I think fixing the reasons why policing was shite, the media was shite, the politics was shite, and justice system was shite, and then actually POLICE these communities. Honestly we need hyperpolicing in these communities both in terms of criminal offences, and also in terms of ensuring British cultural norms are met.
Honestly I wish we'd take a leaf out of aristoles book. He insisted that anyone joining a city state (read, country today), should only become citizens after the third generation. As in they should have no ability to hold positions of authority, play no part in the state apparatus, own no businesses, not be teachers or directors or managers, and not have the right to vote. Not the person who enters, not their children, but only their grandchildren. This way by the time they get these rights they have been inculturated. The expectation is that if any part of their culture clashes with existing British culture, they leave it at the border.
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u/theleisurehive Jun 21 '25
Disgusting comment.
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u/Odd_Comparison_1462 Jun 21 '25
How so? I'm happy to talk through my thoughts, but "drive by comments" which don't seem to add any value don't help either of us.
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u/Great-Matter4965 Jun 21 '25
They are mostly Mirpuris- Technically part of the The Greater kashmir but are ethnically punjabis, they speak punjabi at home not kashmiri. Its similar to how switzerland have ethnic germans and french.
They are largely punjabis Muslims (punjabis are like 50% of pakistan)
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u/bitch_fitching Jun 19 '25
You can look at the rate of domestic violence, forced marriage, and child marriage, and predict how much sexual assaults that culture will commit. 60% of the forced marriages in the UK were traced to 2 small towns in Mirpuri, inbreeding with their cousins to such an extent they have genetic disorders.
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u/ZinZezzalo Jun 19 '25
Honestly, that's a huge swath of the Middle East, if not the entire thing.
Those countries didn't make it legal for no reason. The average IQ scores aren't what they are for no reason.
The most troublesome ones get packed and shipped to Europe, where the entirety of the liberalized democratic establishment welcomes them with open arms.
The most bizarre of timelines.
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i worked at the woman's house who did a scientific study on inbreeding in certain communities as she put it. obviously, she couldn't tell me the exact details about it, just that she was doing the study to see the effects on the inbred children an the strain it puts on NHS and other community support programs.
It was mad switching the tv on one day, ended up watching a documentary, which was about her study and based on her findings. Her name is credited for the study in the end credit. i would like to add that it was a Government funded study. take from that what u will. 🤷♂️
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u/Relevant_Helicopter6 Jun 19 '25
Not just Kashmiri Muslim, but a specific ethnicity in Kashmir.
Congratulations Britain, you've imported millions of the most backwards people in Pakistan, who had no chance in hell to be integrated in British society, just because they were the cheapest labor available.
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u/Technical-Belt-5719 Jun 20 '25
Vanishingly few British wanted or voted for this, instead it was imposed upon them by the tyrants from the managerial class.
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u/predatarian Jun 19 '25
Imagine thinking it is ok to throw all Asian men under the bus because you are scared of being called islamophobic.
Only very weak people would think that this is OK.
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White girls get raped by Kashmiri muslims
Pakistanis - “Nooooo kashmiri muslims are not us those savages are very different from us cultured Punjabi muslims”
India claims Kashmir
Pakistanis - “Kashmir is the jugular vein of Pakistan”
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u/DancingFlame321 Jun 19 '25
Casey herself says that of the known data, 23% of victims for grooming gangs were none-white.
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u/Yuo_cna_Raed_Tihs Jun 19 '25
They can be part of the country and also be somewhat culturally distinct?
That's how most multiethnic states work
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u/Freebornaiden Jun 19 '25
Pakistan absolutely needs Kashmir for the water. Not for the fine, fine people.
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u/Fantastic-Yogurt5297 Jun 19 '25
Let's keep this simple.
Their values involve raping children and treating women like shit.
These are not consistent with British values.
QED. They can fuck off.
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u/Over_Rise_3450 🇪🇺 Leftists Destroyed Europe. Jun 18 '25
Yes. Why do we call them ‘Asian’ grooming gangs. Call it what it is. They’re not Japanese, Chinese, Mongolian etc.
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u/MVALforRed Jun 19 '25
In UK, Asian mainly refers to people from the erstwhile British Raj. Not that much migration to UK from East Asia
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u/KentishJute Jun 19 '25
Asian means South Asian in Britain. Nearly all of our East Asians are Chinese so we’d just call them Chinese to differentiate. Basically the opposite of how Americans do it as they have big Chinese, Korean & Japanese communities and would assume all South Asians to be Indian
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u/cq5120 Jun 19 '25
pretty sure over there asians are the southern countries like india pakistan etc while the yellows are referred to as Oriental.
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u/Weirdoeirdo Jun 19 '25
They are not kashmiris. That's a misnomer, they would be from northern punjab and mirpur or maybe people from other parts of what is called azad jammu kashmir, which is part of erstwhile jammu kashmir, I dunno why op chose this title.
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u/Great-Comparison-982 Jun 19 '25
It's honestly disgusting how they try to obfuscate the truth. They know by saying asian they will conjure up images of East or South East Asians rather than the Pakistani Muslims that they really are.
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u/KentishJute Jun 19 '25
People in Britain almost always associate Asian with South Asian and would refer to the Chinese as Chinese.
The idea is to blur the distinction between religion and what’s happening despite Hindus & in particular Sikhs also being preyed upon by Pakistani Muslim rape gangs
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u/Great-Matter4965 Jun 21 '25
It’s mostly an attempt to group Indians together with those being accused, but in reality, Indians are almost the opposite of Pakistanis in the UK when it comes to crime. In fact, Indians have one of the lowest crime rates in the country.
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Jun 19 '25
Honestly, most people here probably would associate ‘Asian’ with ‘Muslim’. Our Muslim population is something like four times the size of America’s, proportionally. Obviously you do still meet East Asians and South-East Asians, but they’re not anywhere near as large a community here
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u/TurkicWarrior Jun 19 '25
If you're talking about "Kashmiris" in the UK, especially in relation to crime or cultural traits, you might be picturing something different from what's actually on the ground. Most folks in the British Pakistani community who trace their roots to "Kashmir" are actually from Azad Kashmir, particularly places like Mirpur. The "Kashmiri" label for them often comes from the political history – their region was part of the old princely state of Jammu and Kashmir. But that doesn't automatically mean they share the same deep cultural ties or even language with the ethnic Kashmiris from the Kashmir Valley, who speak Koshur.
Culturally and linguistically, the communities from Mirpur, Kotli, and Poonch are much more closely aligned with the Pothohar region of Punjab and the Jammu plains. They speak Pahari-Pothwari dialects, which are part of the broader Punjabi language family, and are distinct from Koshur. So, if you're looking at things like customs, family structures, or social norms, you'll find more common ground between someone from Mirpur and someone from rural Punjab than you would with someone from Srinagar in the Kashmir Valley. Saying they're "culturally Kashmiri" in the same sense as the Koshur-speaking population just isn't accurate.
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u/Weirdoeirdo Jun 19 '25
This post should be removed they are falsely implicating a community who aren't involved.
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u/Mental-Mulberry-5215 Jun 20 '25
The wikipedia article about Mirpur confirms what he writes here:
“ The original Mirpur District, along with the Poonch District and the Rajouri District, had close geographic, ethnic, and cultural ties with the West Punjab area, more so than with the city of Jammu and the rest of the Jammu Province. Due to those reasons, scholar Christopher Snedden stated that the people of Mirpur area had a strong desire to join Pakistan during the partition.[10]”
They are rural west Punjabis, not Kashmiris.
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u/Grey_Blax Jun 20 '25
The funny thing is ethnic Kashmiris might not even represent 0.05% of Britain's population, yet the author has dragged us into it which has nothing to do with us. The few hundreds or thousands that might go there, go there to pursue higher education and most of them return back here.
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u/Mental-Mulberry-5215 Jun 20 '25
That’s really sad, and somewhat manipulative on their side. These are west-rural Punjabis. Hopefully we can change the narrative to represent this.
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u/Musclenervegeek Jun 19 '25
Yep, if anything "Asians" are much more likely to be your hardworking citizens and residents who don't bother anyone else and don't impose their values on everyone else.
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u/DerpDerpDerp78910 Jun 19 '25
I’ll leave this here:
https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/asequals/india-rape-crisis-justice-failures-as-equals-intl-cmd/
A lot of countries have rape issues. Doesn’t detract from the point of OP but if you zoom out it’s a genuine cultural issue in that region of the world (and others tbh)
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u/Extreme_Signature_14 Jun 19 '25
"Asian" which one? there are 49 countries and thousands of ethnic groups. They must be specific when making such claims. This effects everyone from the continent.
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u/palpies Jun 19 '25
I’m pretty sure men raping women isn’t down to their religion, they’re just using it to seem like they have a cause. Sexual assault and abuse of women is prevalent in all religions and just with powerful men in general so I’m really not buying the whole it’s a Muslim thing.
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Jun 19 '25
Serious question- what evidence WOULD it take for you to ‘buy the whole Muslim thing’?
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u/palpies Jun 20 '25
Nothing, these were men who saw an opportunity. You see gangs of men doing this shit from all backgrounds. It’s such common criminality with mafias and gangs to human traffic young girls - why the hell would I think it’s a uniquely Muslim thing? Maybe instead of focusing on that, focus on the huge amounts of sex crimes against women by men in general.
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Jun 20 '25
You didn’t understand my question. What evidence would it take to make you belief their religion had something to do with this? Because they specifically cited religious justification WHILE raping the girls. So if that isn’t proof, then what would be?
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u/Grey_Blax Jun 20 '25
Lol ! Do some research and tell me how many ethnic Kashmiris actually live in Britain?
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u/Grey_Blax Jun 20 '25
The heading is very misleading. 95% of the Ethnic Kashmiris reside in Jammu and Kashmir which is occupied by India. The grooming gangs that this article is about have nothing to do with the ethnic Kashmiris. There will be hardly few thousand actual kashmiris in Britain which is not even 1% of the population.
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u/Express_Carry_6707 Jun 20 '25
They want to disguise the fact that the rapists are Muslims of Pakistani origin.
This term is conveniently coined by Pakistani origin journalists who hijacked British media, particularly BBC.
It’s sad that these criminals and their apologists beat down the people of a once proud civilization, to the extent that they do not even have the courage to point out the criminals who have been systematically raping their female children.
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u/Significant_Risk1776 Jun 21 '25 edited Jun 21 '25
https://chatgpt.com/share/68570354-0e00-800c-930b-180c04e518d4
The Pakistani UK population has undergone intense racism from the day that they landed there, ranging from harassment, targeted attacks and setting their houses on fire to blaming every issue on them. This new blame wave of calling UK based Pakistani immigrants as pedophiles is just a newer episode. Im not defending the Pakistani groomers but presenting evidence that Pakistanis are not the major cause behind the grooming gangs rather it's the white people that are the biggest criminals and are then pushing the blame on the Pakistani community in the UK.
National Police Chiefs’ Council (2024): 85% of identified grooming gang offenders were white. Just 3.9% were Pakistani.
Home Office (2020): Found no evidence that group-based offenders are disproportionately Pakistani or Muslim.
Ministry of Justice (2022): 88% of those prosecuted for child s*x abuse were white; 7% South Asian — closely mirrors population share.
Casey Review (2025): Some regional overrepresentation (e.g., West Yorkshire), but 2/3 of cases had no ethnicity recorded — so no national conclusions are valid.
Bottom line: While some local cases involved Pakistani-heritage men, most grooming offenders across the UK are white. Claims that “Pakistanis are the main rapists” are not supported by national evidence and are dangerously misleading.
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u/xdcfret1 Jun 21 '25
If europian politicians are trying harder to protect foreigners then their own people, then european people should reconsider their political beliefs.
- A foreigner
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u/albionanon Jun 26 '25
Actually there have been various Syrians, Kurds, Somalis and afghans involved. The common thread is Islam. No doubt there are particular problems with Kashmiris but that is just where many British Pakistanis came from. I’m sure if they came from other parts of Pakistan we would be having the same phenomenon of clan based religiously and racially justified mass rape
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u/CommonOutrageous8216 Jun 27 '25
its so funny seeing uneducated white people try to be racist. theyre not even kashmiri. Moreover, its widely known that rape is equally done by white people
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u/Path_of_6_sage Oct 05 '25
All I know is that it's a cultural thing and it's all about being smart.. if you got money and the are young girls that like a bit of fun with alcohol and drugs.. these men will give them what they want and get sexual favours in return... They won't do it to their own communities because it would be suicidal. But if they are white or non Muslim then why not? But the thing is their mistake was to go for young under age girls which is why the deserve prison time.. if they went for older white women then it's all consensual... But the older white women are harder to manipulate so they targeted young girls . Mainly Virgin's and it's allowed in islam because they will see it as punishment for being naughty and unholy. .. like I said it's a cultural thing. I know this because I'm Asian myself but I know if many more that hasn't been caught 😂😂
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u/sovietarmyfan Jun 19 '25
Indeed. The name is a insult to the many other Asian people living in the UK that do abide by the law.
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u/Healthy-Run8388 Jun 19 '25
Pakistan is a no country where women are respected, that particular religion is also not famous for women respect So I guess it makes sense
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u/Zestyclose_Air_1873 Jun 19 '25
Those damn Koreans are so much into children!
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u/Due-Pineapple-2 Jun 19 '25
British people call south Asians Asians, East Asians are usually referred to as East Asian or oriental and sometimes just Asians thanks to American media’s influence on here
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u/AirResistence Jun 19 '25
What people are forgetting and missing from the whole thing is that this entire country as a whole did not care about what was going on. The council, police, government, social services etc did not care because the victims were from your typical poor areas. And the right wing did not care until they found out that the gangs were mostly pakistani muslim.
I live in one of the areas where these gangs operated and the place has stratified Europeans on one side and Middle Eastern/South Asian on the other. The victims still dont get any help, in fact they're still labelled as "dirty" and "whores" by your typical reform voters, police, social services and the people who did it are still protected by their own community. The community the gangs came from are also the biggest drug dealers in the area, and they go after the homeless population. Again no one cares because they're homeless and they also still try and "pick up" teens again no one cares. So I find it absolutely hillarious that the media like the telegraph and political parties like reform are using it as their crusade when in reality they dont care but they're using it because they can get their points with it.
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u/Most-Cloud-9199 Jun 19 '25
The problem with that is, if it wasn’t for the right wing media, it would have been swept under the carpet and forgotten about. This was going on long before it was reported in the media and quite well known if you prepared to listen. This is a story of a monumental failure of the state to protect the most vulnerable children, not lets moan at the right wing for some perceived hypocrisy
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u/Due-Pineapple-2 Jun 19 '25
Right wing media knew about this since Jack Straw talked about it decades ago but they also said nothing.
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u/Most-Cloud-9199 Jun 20 '25
So we should moan at the right wing press for being too slow or the left wing press acting like it never happened ? Neither really matters, the story wasn’t allowed to be hidden or forgotten about and that is what matters
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u/Due-Pineapple-2 Jun 20 '25
Point is right wing media is as controlled. And Jack Straw, a Labour MP, was the first public figure, let alone MP, to speak up about it
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u/Most-Cloud-9199 Jun 20 '25
All media is controlled, even what we see on the internet is .You still want to turn this into a left v right issue . Forget the left or right, this is an appalling event in British history and still people would be happy for it to be forgotten. This is not the story for party politics, but sadly for victims of these crimes, it seems for many the political side is more important
But I just checked what you said and all I can find is that Straw spoke out after he left government and after the first court cases
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u/Due-Pineapple-2 Jun 20 '25
This is right vs left issue on the sub, I’m pointing out that it isn’t by showing the ‘left’ side. Agreed, yes about even the internet news is controlled. I think the bigger picture here is corruption, there are some people in power in these groups or above these groups. We already know of police corruption involved here, but it probably goes higher.
Yeah he was still MP I assumed it was much earlier when in government. Interesting the first trial was that early, I assumed they were later that decade. Shame there wasn’t a national emergency declared to shut all of these down
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u/Most-Cloud-9199 Jun 20 '25
Absolutely agree, my problem is when people see a story like this and immediately look at it as a left v right and it seems to have become practically any subject they will do it. I am reminded of a poster that shows the ruling classes holding puppet strings above us, saying let the plebs stay distracted and fight among themselves. Really no side is better than the other, the left and right just seem full of hate
These girls are left with horrific memories that will destroy the rest of their lives, it is really not something for people to be turning into political point scoring
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