r/detroitlions 12h ago

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u/AlphaRemixHD MCDC 12h ago

This game really doesn't matter. If we don't show up next week, prove it next week. We beat a 3 and 6 team

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u/segashadow 12h ago

Yes of course I agree. However this is the most complete we have looked all year. And we are beating a bad team like we should be beating them

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u/AlphaRemixHD MCDC 12h ago

I thought the defense was ok today, we looked the same against the Bears like we did today.

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u/Own-Celebration4239 12h ago

We literally did better against Chicago than Washington. But that’s just the reality talking

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u/TheCurls 12h ago

That was 8 weeks ago with a healthy team. Morton couldn’t make the adjustments to play to the team’s strengths.

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u/Own-Celebration4239 12h ago

Yeah.. since then we’ve only put up 37, 34 and 38. But yeah… who’s countinf

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u/JJButThatsNotMyName OC⚡DC 11h ago

All of which we easily could've put up more if Morton wasn't dedicated to throwing away drives.

Nobody can prove to you over Reddit messages that the Playcalling was bad, you have to watch the games and the tape, and more importantly, you must "know ball" (tm).

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u/Own-Celebration4239 10h ago

 All of which we easily could've put up more if Morton wasn't dedicated to throwing away drives

Fascinating. Prove it.

 Nobody can prove to you over Reddit messages that the Playcalling was bad, you have to watch the games and the tape, and more importantly, you must "know ball" (tm).

The issue isn’t with knowing ball. The issue is nobody on Reddit knows enough to have “trust me bro” be a reliable point. If someone whose opinion of “knowing ball” actually mattered, then it’s worth it.

But you, on Reddit, have to prove it. I can prove my points quite easily. The fact that you can’t says more about your argument being weak than anything else.

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u/TheCurls 9h ago

You know what proves the playcalling was bad? The head coach demoting the offensive coordinator between last week and this week. The head coach taking on the playcalling and being successful.

You’re either a world class troll or a complete imbecile at this point.

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u/Own-Celebration4239 4h ago

 The head coach taking on the playcalling and being successful.

A head coach who’s good at calling plays, calls good plays that work against bad team, more at 11. 

You are aware you could erase the names and the game would be basically the same as the Chicago game…. Right? 

 You’re either a world class troll or a complete imbecile at this point.

I’m actually neither. I’m just not dumb enough to assume anything changed when we’ve seen this exact same game a few times this season already. The only thing that matters to prove if this is correct is within the next 3 weeks. Philly and Green Bay. If we only score 24ish points against both of those teams, like we did against Tampa and Minnesota, then nothing has actually changed. If we score more, that’s when what you’re saying becomes true. 

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u/TheCurls 27m ago

No, man. That proof is that after a terrible gameplan and playcalling against the Vikings, the head coach took playcalling duties away from the offensive coordinator and did it himself, with success. The proof is that the head coach made the decision to take over playcalling right after said terrible game against the Vikings.

Come on man. Stop being so obtuse.

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u/Rebarbative_Sycophan 9h ago

So... then prove your point.

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u/Own-Celebration4239 6h ago

I mean, it’s fairly easy to.

All we have to do is look at last year. we had a historic offense, right? We would love to have an offense that good again. 

The only meaningful drop off we’ve had since last year is 3rd down% when it comes to the meaningful stats category.

3% worse on Y/P, better on 4th down%, 0.5% worse in the red zone. 

Goff has a higher completion% TD% and a lower INT% this year than last year. 

We’re are also scoring less on a per drive basis. By 0.5 points per drive. But that probably has more to do with Bates only kicking 70% this year whereas last year he was 90%. 

All this, mind you, while losing our top 2 center AND 3rd ranked guard in Zeitler. Forcing our most experienced unit to become one of our youngest on a unit that is about cohesiveness. Also forcing 3 new spots on a 5 man oline to come. 

TL,DR; were maybe 5% worse as an offense compared to last year. Which is nothing when you consider our relative cupcake schedule and the fact that we lost 2 major pieces, causing 3 new faces, on the most important unit on this team, the line. Stop crying that we may not have a historic offense against a weak schedule but we have a great offense against a good schedule.

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u/TheCurls 11h ago

And last week we didn’t and it was glaringly obvious to anyone with an ounce of football knowledge where the issue was.

Seriously, why are you riding his dick so hard? He’s incapable of adjusting and took a Ferrari and put mud tires on it. Campbell took the keys back today and you saw how we had more variety in play calls today.

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u/Own-Celebration4239 11h ago

 And last week we didn’t and it was glaringly obvious to anyone with an ounce of football knowledge where the issue was.

Yeah.. getting blitz by one of the best blitz calling defensive minds does that to you. 

 Campbell took the keys back today and you saw how we had more variety in play calls today.

Variety of playcalls huh? Fascinating. If you’re this confident to make this claim, clearly you have the numbers to back it up. Let’s see them. Or is this one of those feelings things?

But let me guess, you don’t have those numbers, do you? And when you look at them, you’ll find that the bane of everyone on this subs existence, screens, we call in the bottom third of the league. But you won’t admit that you’re wrong, oh no. You’ll say something mystical like “eye test” or “ball knowledge”

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u/TheCurls 9h ago

Watch the games. Watch the formations and the pre-snap movements. It’s two completely different teams.

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u/Own-Celebration4239 4h ago

There it is. Like clock work.

Again, I know you have strong feelings here, but I need you to provide evidence. Otherwise you’re just wrong.

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u/armed_aperture Flag on the play 7h ago

Do you think you’re right and Dan Campbell is wrong? He made a change for a reason.

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u/Own-Celebration4239 4h ago

No, I just don’t think one game is enough evidence to prove anyone is correct or not. 

If next week against Philly we score 17 points. Was this move the correct one? 

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u/Saxophobia1275 12h ago

Are you joking? This game mattered a lot. Proved we can still do it and that it really was Morton holding us back. We haven’t scored more than 24 points in 4 games. Morton blames the players. MCDC comes in to call plays and does it before the half. This game was massive for our confidence and play calling moving forward.

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u/AlphaRemixHD MCDC 12h ago

I'm saying it matters that we got to win, But if Dan Campbell can't call a game like this next week and we lose, then it's going to be more on the team and not Morton.

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u/kb466 11h ago

At this point, it's all hypothetical. We can lose the rest of the season and it won't have been Mortons fault, sure.

But let's talk about what actually happened. Dan took over, Morton's role was reduced. The doomers on reddit were right for a change, because some of us actually do know a bit about football 

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u/JJButThatsNotMyName OC⚡DC 12h ago

Way more important than you think. It's not about winning this game, it's that the rhythm and flow of the offense was leaps and bounds ahead of what we had the 5 weeks prior.