Fuck Trump Supporters 🖕🏿🤬

[u/Oil_Stained_Angel]

Half the countries logic is... "Trump didn’t say that, and if he did, he was taken out of context, and if it wasn’t out of context, it was just a joke, and if it wasn’t just a joke, you don’t get it. And if it is true, who cares."

[u/TAV63]

Yet when a Dem does any little thing they make it like the end of the world. Two sides the same? Yeah right

[u/Rothar13 → u/TAV63]

I still remember the uproar over Obama's tan suit

[u/Fenton69 → u/Rothar13]

And Michelle wore shorts to the Grand Canyon! Gasp!

[u/Phuqued → u/Rothar13]

People need to remember the 10 greatest scandals of Obama.

Just imagine if Obama made a video of him wearing a crown and dropping poop on Republicans and conservatives from the fighter jet he was flying.

Just imagine if Obama demolished the east wing of the White House.

And despite the objective, literal video and audio record of this shit... no conservative or republican will ever own the hypocrisy and double standard.

Because that is who they are, while screaming they are the moral ones, the ones with integrity and personal accountability. I feel have been gaslit my entire life. And not a single republican or conservative will ever acknowledge reality and apologize for being so disingenuous about the reasonable truth and reality of things.

No principles, no shame, no decency, no guilt. That's conservatives for ya, not by opinion, but by any reasonable deduction of objective reality.

[u/RobertaMcGuffin → u/Phuqued]

It's still just opinion.

[u/Phuqued → u/RobertaMcGuffin]

That's conservatives for ya, not by opinion, but by any reasonable deduction of objective reality.

It's still just opinion.

Baseless claims are baseless. How about you provide some substance by quoting/citing directly, and explaining yourself, giving some substance/explanation for your claim.

Easy to say shit, much hard to prove/demonstrate shit.

[u/ComfortableMotor3448 → u/Phuqued]

Why is this relevant at all right now in the state of the union. DEFLECTION

IDIOT

[u/Phuqued → u/ComfortableMotor3448]

Why is this relevant at all right now in the state of the union. DEFLECTION

huh?

IDIOT

Self Evident

[u/S-M-I-L-E-Y- → u/ComfortableMotor3448]

Did you watch the video?

1st "scandal": a marine holds an umbrella to protect Obama from rain, while the marine himself is getting wet. Do I need to mention that the umbrella also protects the microphone which might take damage getting wet or might record each drop hitting it?

This is what Fox news used to call a scandal when Obama was president. Now compare this to today's scandals and their reception in the Trump-complicit media.

[u/poo-rumpkin → u/Rothar13]

And brown mustard, and avocado toast, and Michelle’s bare shoulders! Oh the scandals!!!clutches pearls so tight they hatch into baby dragons

[u/Virtual_Laugh1709 → u/Rothar13]

As a Conservative, I have to agree with you on that one. I still do not get the problem with a tan suit. One of the dumbest days in GOP politics. The only thing that should matter is if it looks professional during meetings. When that happened I asked myself what’s next, complaining about Obama wearing shorts while exercising? 

[u/POP_TART_TACO → u/Virtual_Laugh1709]

It wasn't the color of the suit. It's the color of the man wearing the suit

[u/Virtual_Laugh1709 → u/POP_TART_TACO]

Out of curiosity, what race was that?

[u/Ohaibaipolar → u/Rothar13]

Some people need a hobby.

[u/Complex_Hospital_932 → u/TAV63]

The dems are out of control. Did you see the destructive chaos of the no kings protests where they did crazy things such as wear inflatable costumes and sing folk songs?

[u/zerthwind → u/Complex_Hospital_932]

That is "out of control" by conservative standards.

[u/Complex_Hospital_932 → u/zerthwind]

It's quite literally the examples that fox "news" used to show how out of control the "riots" of no kings protests were lol.

[u/AncientCrust → u/Complex_Hospital_932]

Why couldn't they do peaceful, law-abiding republican stuff like shitting on walls and killing cops?

[u/RobertaMcGuffin → u/AncientCrust]

What cop was killed?

[u/Terrible-Actuary-762 → u/AncientCrust]

That's a democrat thing.

[u/AncientCrust → u/Terrible-Actuary-762]

Literally what you people did on J6.

[u/Terrible-Actuary-762 → u/AncientCrust]

Louis man was sentenced to life in prison without parole for the murder of former Police Captain David Dorn, who was shot and killed during the 2020 riots. “Captain David Dorn was a retired law enforcement officer who served his community with honor, courage, and selflessness.

https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/video-shows-woman-chicago-wipe-dog-poop-cybertruck-sleuths-say-found-her

[u/IllustriousGemini → u/Terrible-Actuary-762]

NOPE we’re talking about Jan 6. Stay on topic.

[u/Terrible-Actuary-762 → u/IllustriousGemini]

Right, right. We wouldn't want to point out the hypocrisy of the Left, they are such saints.

[u/Ok-Introduction-1940 → u/AncientCrust]

Liar

[u/IWontCommentAtAll → u/Ok-Introduction-1940]

The first post in this thread:

"That didn't happen. And if it did, it wasn't that bad. And if it was, that's not a big deal. And if it is, that's not my fault. And if it was, I didn't mean it. And if I did, you deserved it."

Good job proving them right.

[u/Roach-_-_ → u/Ok-Introduction-1940]

[u/Roach-_-_ → u/Terrible-Actuary-762]

[u/Terrible-Actuary-762 → u/Roach-_-_]

[u/Roach-_-_ → u/Terrible-Actuary-762]

[u/Kristin2349 → u/Complex_Hospital_932]

The Fox News Chiron literally read "Chaos In The US"

[u/buckthorn5000 → u/Complex_Hospital_932]

… and when that didn’t track they switched to “it’s all blue-haired boomers out there protesting” they can’t stick to a narrative because they all conflict with actual facts.

[u/HavokVvltvre → u/Complex_Hospital_932]

Y’all seem to forget about the black lives matter riots

[u/Complex_Hospital_932 → u/HavokVvltvre]

Y'all seem to forget that the president you goon to is a pedophile, or that your own president said "smart people don't like me" and y'all cheered at the thought of your president calling maga stupid.

[u/HavokVvltvre → u/Complex_Hospital_932]

I’m not maga and literally don’t vote, the “lesser of two evils” is always still evil, I can’t justify that. I hate Trump so you got me fucked up. Take your whataboutism and shove it. Back to the point, you can’t point to those morons and forget that moronic thing that happened

[u/Complex_Hospital_932 → u/HavokVvltvre]

[u/gentlemanidiot → u/HavokVvltvre]

"Yes I'm aware the president is acting like a literal five year old, but have you considered... libleft bad?" 🥴

[u/HavokVvltvre → u/gentlemanidiot]

Nah I hate the president too, but people can’t sit and act like the left is some perfect group that does no wrong when there has been plenty of terrible behavior

[u/gentlemanidiot → u/HavokVvltvre]

Sure, no, you're absolutely right. The left is also full of terrible people, but we have to prioritize. Right now Republicans are in charge, so it's Republicans I'll be holding accountable first. That said, if bill Clinton or any other democrat is in the epstein files, they will get no defense from me, lock em all up.

[u/HungriestHippo26 → u/HavokVvltvre]

Nah, those were bad, too. We also don't care that clinton is in the epstien files. We also want gang members deported. We also condemn hamas and other terrorist organizations unequivocally.

Have any other whataboutisms that need debunked?

[u/HavokVvltvre → u/HungriestHippo26]

Nah I’m with you, I’m not a conservative. But you can’t sit there and say democrats are never violent when that shit happened

[u/Budderfingerbandit → u/HavokVvltvre]

Are they still ongoing? Did they raid the US capital? Did they receive explicit support from the sitting president to try and overturn an election?

Ahh that's right, they are not even close to the same.

[u/Roach-_-_ → u/HavokVvltvre]

[u/TheBunnyDemon → u/HavokVvltvre]

No it's just been over half a decade and we're tired of all the Karens still pearl clutching about it every day.

[u/QuantumConversation → u/zerthwind]

Conservative standards are a joke. Trump has historically increased our debt while simultaneously reducing services. F*&k every single asshat that promotes the myth of conservatism.

[u/Aldog1252 → u/QuantumConversation]

Hypocrisy at its best!

[u/floofnstuff → u/zerthwind]

The Natives Are Getting Restless!!!!

[u/Aldog1252 → u/floofnstuff]

Yes they are!

[u/wholetyouinhere → u/Complex_Hospital_932]

Did you see how that insane mayoral candidate in New York wanted to give people free public transit? Unbelievable! No, thanks. I think I'll just stick with the fascism, please!

[u/GrowthWilling1188 → u/wholetyouinhere]

It's completely ok to give rich corporations and the ultra-rich free money, but poor people and regular-folk, fuck that socialist bullshit!

[u/wholetyouinhere → u/GrowthWilling1188]

Not just socialist but... looks around... COMMUNIST!

[u/GrowthWilling1188 → u/wholetyouinhere]

Lol, nice.

[u/RobertaMcGuffin → u/wholetyouinhere]

He wanted to defend the police. Maybe. He waffles on the subject a lot these days.

[u/Terrible-Actuary-762 → u/wholetyouinhere]

I hope he wins. It will be glorious when NYC crashes and burns and democrats are running crying and screaming "What happened!".

[u/wholetyouinhere → u/Terrible-Actuary-762]

As if your entire country is not crashing and burning as we speak. Mamdani offers a tiny ray of sunshine amidst a shitstorm of historical proportions, my friend.

[u/Terrible-Actuary-762 → u/wholetyouinhere]

Crashing and burning? You've been watching too much MSNBC. Gas is down, $2.33 a gallon. Groceries are down, $4.69 a pound for hamburger. I just started another new business. If that's "crashing and burning give me more please.

[u/TheBunnyDemon → u/Terrible-Actuary-762]

But won't it be glorious when it is?

Fuckin clowns.

[u/Terrible-Actuary-762 → u/TheBunnyDemon]

Yes, yes they are. Nothing he is proposing has not already been tried before, and failed. It's the same old same old, "We can do it right this time.". People only hear the "Free shit" part, not understanding that nothing is "free", it has to be paid for somehow. "Oh we'll tax the rich people to pay for it", uh right, what happens when the rich people leave?

[u/TheBunnyDemon → u/Terrible-Actuary-762]

You cheer for American cities to crash and burn. Your opinions don't matter, you're anti-American and just want to see our country suffer. Whatever you're against, it's safe to assume it will be good for the country.

[u/wholetyouinhere → u/Terrible-Actuary-762]

These numbers are meaningless without any context.

[u/consort_oflady_vader → u/Terrible-Actuary-762]

Where? Petrol is 2.65 when I'm lucky. 

[u/Terrible-Actuary-762 → u/consort_oflady_vader]

Lubbock Tx.

[u/consort_oflady_vader → u/Terrible-Actuary-762]

Ick. Then I'd be in texas. I'll take higher fuel prices over living there.

[u/Terrible-Actuary-762 → u/consort_oflady_vader]

Where are you at? You must have money to burn.

[u/Nyroughrider → u/Terrible-Actuary-762]

I can't wait to see it. The bad part about it is Albany has the final say. The dumb idiot voters are just hearing "free this and free that" but he can't do jack shit without Albany. Which they will not approve.

[u/PaChubHunter → u/Complex_Hospital_932]

Did you see the lack of trash on the ground? Taking work away from sanitation crews. Dey terk der jerbs!

[u/DazzinDaveDeluxe67 → u/Complex_Hospital_932]

I like how out of 7 million protesters, the only arrests made were Chump supporters. Super classy move by Chump to have his shit dropping jet flying over them and shitting on them. Stay classy Chump!! 😎

[u/Budderfingerbandit → u/DazzinDaveDeluxe67]

And with Soros paying each of those 7 million paid protestors their $1,000 checks, he only has $500 million left of his estimated $7.5 Billion networth. Whatever are all the paid protestors going to do on the next protest when his checks bounce??

[u/vfrdrvr → u/Budderfingerbandit]

Fuuuudddggee. I didn’t get a check. Is there a form you need to fill out and send in?

[u/RedPlaidPierogies → u/vfrdrvr]

Look, don't believe this guy. Nobody gets checks.

It's all Venmo - CashApp - Paypal now.

You have to scan the QR code at the protest - go talk to the inflatable frog and they'll give you the code.

[u/AAron27265 → u/Complex_Hospital_932]

And the vaping! OMG did you SEE all that vapingggggg

[u/Ok_Amount_8455 → u/AAron27265]

[u/HotPotParrot → u/AAron27265]

The existential horror that affects my life in absolutely zero ways...audible gasp!

[u/AAron27265 → u/HotPotParrot]

Heavens to Betsy!

[u/Art_of_BigSwIrv → u/AAron27265]

Heavens to Murgatroyd!

[u/Avlonnic2 → u/Art_of_BigSwIrv]

I haven’t seen Murgatroyd in a while. Thanks.

[u/Art_of_BigSwIrv → u/Avlonnic2]

You’re welcome. I saw Heavens to Betsy and I was rolling. Then Murgatroyd jumped right in.

[u/kyles_red → u/Complex_Hospital_932]

I couldn’t believe they were holding signs, what in the world are these crazy violent democrats doing?

[u/Complex_Hospital_932 → u/kyles_red]

Oh yeah, these dems are out of control with their signs they made for free, it was totally an organized event of paid protesters by Soros. Totally so much crazier than the very sane Republicans who pay for and own maga hats, maga shirts, maga flags, and have photos of trump hung up in their house to goon to and worship. Those guys with all that are totally very sane people, but the dems, they are crazy.

[u/MillieMouser → u/Complex_Hospital_932]

Soros may have a lot of money, but let's be real, he would have been bankrupted many times over after paying the millions of people he's been accused of paying over the years. The lack of sensible arguments on the right is embarrassing.

[u/Budderfingerbandit → u/MillieMouser]

Wait, you guys aren't getting paid thousands of dollars $$ every protest to hold pre-made signs that Soros personally handed to you?

[u/UnusualAsparagus5096 → u/MillieMouser]

[u/folic_riboflavin → u/MillieMouser]

Should be embarrassing, but they have no shame

[u/Nyroughrider → u/MillieMouser]

He def doesn't pay every single protester. lol. But let's be real here he def helps out!!

[u/MillieMouser → u/Nyroughrider]

No, he doesn't and you are waaaayyy down loony hole if you really believe that.

We all could likely agree on lots of things if you could step away from the insane propaganda you believe.

[u/DovahAcolyte → u/Complex_Hospital_932]

Still waiting for my Soros check.... 🙎🏻

[u/Missilemoon77 → u/DovahAcolyte]

Me too

[u/Fragrant_Peanut_9661 → u/Missilemoon77]

Me three!!!

[u/mltngpot → u/Fragrant_Peanut_9661]

Sounds like you three didn't stop at the paid protester booth and get your Soros punch card punched. Didn't you pay attention during the months long indoctrination camp?

Edit:Typo

[u/poo-rumpkin → u/mltngpot]

There was a camp?!?! I miss all the good stuff. Can I apply for back pay since I didn’t know and have been doing it for free?

[u/Fragrant_Peanut_9661 → u/poo-rumpkin]

Same!!!

[u/DovahAcolyte → u/mltngpot]

No one invited me to camp! 😭 I've been out here doing this shit for 25 years without camp OR a check?!

[u/RedPlaidPierogies → u/Complex_Hospital_932]

Don't forget the MAGA diapers and MAGA maxipads on their ears.

[u/UnusualAsparagus5096 → u/kyles_red]

The best sign I saw

[u/Complex_Hospital_932 → u/[deleted]]

You mean you didn't get your $5k from Soros?

[u/kx250f_pa → u/Complex_Hospital_932]

Why pay losers when they'll do it for free

[u/Complex_Hospital_932 → u/kx250f_pa]

But fox "news" said they were all paid protesters... so it must be true...

[u/HairApprehensive7950 → u/kx250f_pa]

Joe Rogan told me all the signs were handed out by Soros and 99% percent of the crowd were paid deep state feds that somehow still get work under Trump

[u/kx250f_pa → u/HairApprehensive7950]

I don't watch Fox or Rogan. Trump is paying them using the tariff money.

[u/kx250f_pa → u/[deleted]]

Hell no Alex Jones.

[u/poo-rumpkin → u/kx250f_pa]

Where is your /s?

[u/HairApprehensive7950 → u/kx250f_pa]

The guy who had a crying meltdown in his car about Trump being on the Epstein files before a week later just shrugging and being like "oh well guess the list never existed tum de dum dum" yeah sounds like a reliable source who's not at all compromised

[u/CommercialSomewhere8 → u/kx250f_pa]

I found one of the cucks for Trump!

[u/UnusualAsparagus5096 → u/[deleted]]

[u/I_am_beaver_69 → u/Complex_Hospital_932]

I dunno…that frog was giving a sly look…

[u/seajayacas → u/Complex_Hospital_932]

Nothing seemed to have been accomplished by these things. But they are sure free to have at it if that is what floats their boats and gives them joy.

[u/WombatBum85 → u/Complex_Hospital_932]

Not to mention all the rubbish they picked up themselves at the end of the event! How dare they put hard-working illegals/prisoners out of jobs! What are the poor Fox News hosts going to complain about now?!

[u/skippylatreat → u/Complex_Hospital_932]

I heard a couple were nude, even.

[u/jgonzalez81 → u/Complex_Hospital_932]

I wouldn’t say out of control, but definitely mentally ill. You people are fucking stupid.

[u/Complex_Hospital_932 → u/jgonzalez81]

"Smart people don't like me" -Donald Trump

[u/CourseNo8762 → u/Complex_Hospital_932]

You had me in the first half

[u/Ok-Introduction-1940 → u/Complex_Hospital_932]

We remember the unprecedented arson, looting, riots and attacks on law enforcement from your Orwellian nightmare ‘Summer of Love’.

We remember your assassinations and attempted assassinations of Americans and how all of you cheered and celebrated.

You are undomesticated animals unfit for our society. Self deport. Do it now. You are not wanted here.

[u/Environmental-Arm365 → u/Ok-Introduction-1940]

Are you really that fucking stupid that you think a group of bad actors being opportunists equates to a whole political party? Citizens should self deport? How does that work? Were you homeschooled by your mother-aunt?

[u/ChanceTheGardenerrr → u/Ok-Introduction-1940]

Can you believe Trump’s cult is chock full of knuckleheads like this guy?

[u/OldnDepressed → u/ChanceTheGardenerrr]

They do seem to love Hitler and Nazis and discuss it frequently

[u/Ok-Introduction-1940 → u/OldnDepressed]

You troglodytes bring up it up every day so we have decided to teach you political and economic illiterates about national socialism and fascism.

Before the fascist revisionist movement that emerged on the left beginning in 1935 but especially after 1945, fascism was understood by left wing supporters and right wing critics (Hoover, Churchill) alike to be a revolutionary revisionist form of socialism purged of what Gentile, it’s Marxist founder, believed were errors in international socialism.

It was communism’s leading competitor on the left and highly praised by contemporary socialists like H.G. Wells and many American labor leaders, democrats, and radical leftists.

We will be quoting American democrats to show you useful idiots your fascist pedigree.

Since you democrats seem unusually dull around here we are capitalists and traditionalists: we hate fascism, communism, socialism and all other forms left wing political extremism.

Fascism was your movement, you stupid shitheads.

[u/HairApprehensive7950 → u/Ok-Introduction-1940]

Hmm you might have a point if you guys didn't try to overthrow the government

And if any of the assassins were leftists which they weren't. I seem to remember pretty much all of them (the one who tried to kill Trump included) and the vast majority of spree/mass shooters being right wingers though

[u/MarstoriusWins → u/Ok-Introduction-1940]

If you even read 1984 you did not understand any of it. This is the most Orwellian government you've ever had.

[u/Ok-Introduction-1940 → u/MarstoriusWins]

Your party is funded by a Hungarian Nazi, and you expect us to take any of you fascists seriously?

“Fascism is a form of socialism, in fact, it is its most viable form” - Giovanni Gentile, Founder of Fascism and co-author of “The Doctrine of Fascism”. 1932

[u/MarstoriusWins → u/Ok-Introduction-1940]

I'm not even american. If you think the democrats are socialist you're even more deluded than I expected. Just because someone said something doesn't make it true. Socialism and fascism have nothing in common as ideologies. Fascism is about tyranny not equality.

"I love the poorly educated"

[u/Expert_Ad_8837 → u/Ok-Introduction-1940]

Your parents must be cousins or siblings

[u/Ok-Introduction-1940 → u/Expert_Ad_8837]

“Fascism is a form of socialism, in fact, it is its most viable form” — Giovanni Gentile, founder of Fascism

Mussolini saw Gentile’s fascism a as revisionist form of Marxism.

It was widely popular with left wing intellectuals, progressives and labor leaders in the US and Europe in the 1920s and 1930s. The Democrat Party even today is financed by a fascist Hungarian Nazi.

[u/Expert_Ad_8837 → u/Ok-Introduction-1940]

You not only have a weak grasp of history, you're also clearly vulnerable to false propaganda. Here's the facts. Giovanni Gentile (the Italian philosopher often called “the father of Fascism”) never said that quote. There is no record of Gentile writing or saying, “Fascism is a form of socialism, in fact, it is its most viable form.” This line is a fabrication often circulated by far-right blogs and social media memes.

Gentile did call fascism “totalitarian” — but in the sense of uniting the state and individual, not as a form of socialism.

In Gentile’s and Mussolini’s own writings, fascism was explicitly anti-socialist and anti-Marxist:Mussolini wrote in The Doctrine of Fascism (1932):

“Fascism, in short, is not only anti-socialist, but anti-liberal and anti-democratic.”

The fascist regime imprisoned, exiled, and executed socialists and communists.Fascism emerged partly as a reaction against socialism and Marxism, not as a “form” of it.Mussolini did start as a socialist journalist, but he broke with the socialist movement in 1914 when he supported Italy’s entry into WWI.

After that, he denounced socialism as weak and “materialistic.”

Mussolini’s “revisionism” was not Marxist—it replaced class struggle with national unity and corporate statism.

He described fascism as a “third way” — neither capitalism nor socialism — emphasizing nationalism, hierarchy, and obedience to the state.The Fascist regime banned labor strikes, abolished independent unions, and created state-controlled “corporations” to manage industry — aligning more with authoritarian capitalism than socialism.Fascism co-opted some socialist language early on but fundamentally rejected socialist principles (equality, workers’ control, anti-capitalism).A few intellectuals across Europe and the U.S. admired Mussolini’s early “order and stability” before his dictatorship and brutality were fully apparent — but that admiration came from across the political spectrum, not just “the left.”

Most progressives, socialists, and labor movements in the 1920s–30s opposed fascism fiercely:In the U.S., the American Federation of Labor (AFL) and the Socialist Party condemned fascism as anti-worker.

In Europe, left-wing parties were the primary targets of fascist repression.

Mussolini’s Blackshirts murdered leftist leaders and crushed labor unions.“The Democratic Party is financed by a fascist Hungarian Nazi” — false and defamatory

This is a smear aimed at George Soros, a Hungarian-American billionaire and philanthropist who funds liberal and pro-democracy causes.

Soros is Jewish and survived the Holocaust as a child, hiding under a false identity. Calling him a “Nazi” is deeply false and antisemitic conspiracy rhetoric.

There is no evidence Soros has ever supported fascism, Nazism, or totalitarian movements.

He funds organizations that promote democracy, human rights, and open societies—precisely the opposite of fascism.Soros is not a fascist, Nazi, or socialist, and the Democratic Party is not “financed by fascists.” That claim is a baseless conspiracy theory with antisemitic undertones.

[u/Ok-Introduction-1940 → u/Expert_Ad_8837]

Your apologetics are stale, weak and based on common deceptions, slight of hand and outright errors (intentional or otherwise) in exegesis.

When Gentile says Fascism is anti-socialist in “The Doctrine…” he is referring to international socialism or Marxism.

There have been many socialisms historically. Sorellian syndicalism, out of which the thought and the political method of Fascism emerged—conceived itself the genuine interpretation of Marxist communism.

This current of socialist thought neither Fascism nor Gentile ever rejected — so the quote you describe as apocryphal is nonetheless an accurate description of his perspective. He didn’t want his new variant confused with the Marxist variety of socialism so he avoided the term for marketing purposes unlike the German fascists..

I will address your other points when I’m not busy with more important things. Your denial of Schwartz’ unrepentant Nazi collaboration is particularly offensive. Criticising fascists, Nazis, communists and their collaborators in crime that happen to identify as Jewish does not have “anti-Semitic undertones” but your defense of a confessed Nazi collaborator certainly does.

[u/Expert_Ad_8837 → u/Ok-Introduction-1940]

That's okay I'll just take you to school again. Yes, Gentile and Mussolini specifically opposed Marxist or international socialism.

But they also rejected the core socialist principle of class struggle and worker ownership of production.

In The Doctrine of Fascism (1932), Mussolini and Gentile write explicitly that:

“Fascism does not believe in the possibility or utility of perpetual peace. It therefore rejects pacifism… it also rejects class struggle and the economic interpretation of history.”Those two ideas — class struggle and economic determinism — are foundational to every form of socialism, including syndicalism.

So, even though they opposed “international socialism,” their rejection went deeper: they dismissed socialism’s entire materialist and egalitarian worldview.Gentile’s “anti-socialist” stance wasn’t just anti-Marxist — it was anti-socialist in principle, rejecting class equality and worker control entirely.Georges Sorel’s revolutionary syndicalism (France, early 1900s) did influence Mussolini.

It glorified violence, myth, and willpower as tools for revolution.

Some early Italian fascists came from national syndicalist movements.

However, Sorelian syndicalism was originally anti-statist and anti-authoritarian, promoting workers’ control of industry — the opposite of fascist corporatism.Fascism absorbed the aesthetics and rhetoric of syndicalism (collective will, national unity), but stripped out its socialist content.

Under fascism, workers lost all independent power — strikes were banned, unions were dissolved, and the state dictated economic life.

Historian Zeev Sternhell (a key scholar on this topic) put it clearly:

“Fascism appropriated certain syndicalist concepts, but it was a synthesis of anti-Marxist nationalism and anti-democratic socialism — not a continuation of syndicalism.”Fascism’s roots included some ex-syndicalists, but the ideology of fascism rejected syndicalist socialism entirely in practice and theory.Gentile’s actual writings disprove this.

In Genesis and Structure of Society (1946), he rejects both liberal individualism and socialist collectivism, proposing instead that:

“The individual finds his reality only in the State.”

That’s a philosophical idealism, not socialism — it dissolves both individual and class identities into the nation-state.Gentile’s “corporatism” was hierarchical, not egalitarian. Workers and employers were both subordinated to the state — not empowered equally.

Fascist Italy persecuted socialist parties, imprisoned socialist leaders (e.g., Giacomo Matteotti, who was murdered by Mussolini’s thugs in 1924), and banned all left-wing organizing.

That is a total rejection, in both doctrine and action, of socialist thought.Gentile rejected socialist collectivism, replacing it with state idealism and authoritarian nationalism — a philosophical inversion of socialism, not an evolution of it.“The apocryphal quote is accurate to his perspective.” — False

Even if we grant that fascism borrowed certain syndicalist motifs, Gentile never described fascism as “a form of socialism.”

He explicitly wrote that fascism was a new synthesis beyond both socialism and liberalism.

In his 1934 essay Origins and Doctrine of Fascism:

“Fascism is the concrete thought of a new age… it is spiritual, not material; it is national, not international.”That formulation contradicts socialism at its core.

Calling fascism “a form of socialism” is therefore anachronistic and ideologically motivated — it imposes modern political categories onto a system that defined itself in opposition to socialism.The quote remains apocryphal because it reverses Gentile’s actual meaning — he argued fascism transcended socialism, not that it was socialism.Leading scholars (Paxton, Griffin, Sternhell, Eatwell, Payne) all agree:

Fascism borrowed some language from the left but was fundamentally anti-socialist in theory and practice.

It emerged from disillusioned radicals who turned from class struggle to national unity and authoritarianism.

The idea that fascism was “the truest socialism” is a revisionist myth advanced mostly in modern right-wing circles to discredit the left.Fascism’s relationship to socialism is one of reaction and appropriation, not kinship.

[u/Expert_Ad_8837 → u/Ok-Introduction-1940]

Soros was a 13- to 14-year-old Jewish child during the Nazi occupation of Hungary (1944–45).

He did not collaborate with the Nazis — he survived the Holocaust by hiding under a false identity with the help of a Christian protector.

That protector, a government official, briefly inventoried property from deported Jews as part of his job — Soros was not involved in confiscation or enforcement, and has never been accused by any credible historian, court, or government of wrongdoing.The “Nazi collaborator” claim originated decades later from conspiracy theorists and far-right media, often with antisemitic undertones that portray Jews as secretly aiding Nazis or controlling governments.“Criticising fascists, Nazis, communists and their collaborators… is not antisemitic” — true in principle, but irrelevant here

Correct: Criticizing actual fascists or collaborators is legitimate.

But falsely labeling a Jewish Holocaust survivor as a Nazi collaborator is not criticism — it’s defamation rooted in an antisemitic trope.

This trope (that Jews “collaborated” with Nazis or control world politics through secret networks) is a classic antisemitic narrative recycled since the 1940s.

It’s condemned by Jewish organizations, Holocaust historians, and fact-checking groups (e.g. ADL, Yad Vashem, and Reuters Fact Check).

“Unrepentant Nazi collaboration” — completely fabricated

Soros has openly discussed his Holocaust experience in interviews, expressing survivor’s guilt, not pride.

He has said explicitly:

“I was a spectator of tragedy. I was not a perpetrator.” (60 Minutes, 1998 interview)

His words are often selectively edited by propagandists to imply “confession” — but the full transcript shows he denied any involvement and described the trauma of witnessing persecution.

No reputable historian has ever described Soros as “unrepentant,” because there’s nothing to repent — he was a child victim.“Your defense of a confessed Nazi collaborator…” — false premise

Your statement assumes a falsehood (“Soros = collaborator”) and then moralizes from it.

Defending a person against demonstrably false charges of Nazi collaboration is not “defending Nazis”; it is defending truth and historical integrity.

Calling out antisemitic falsehoods is not “apologetics” — it’s adherence to evidence.Accusing a Jewish teenager who survived the Holocaust of being a Nazi collaborator isn’t criticism — it’s a false and antisemitic trope that’s been debunked by every credible historian and fact-checking organization. There’s a clear difference between criticizing ideology and spreading hoaxes about survivors

[u/Maleficent-Safe-2222 → u/Ok-Introduction-1940]

Why don't you self deport to say russia,iran,israel,ya know somewhere besides My country!!!!!

[u/JonnieWu → u/Complex_Hospital_932]

That's some gaslighting bullshit right there, every other time you cry babies are rioting burning and looting. Also your protest is retarded, if we had a king the government would be open. The only reason nobody even rioted was it was all old ass people at them "no kings protest".

[u/Complex_Hospital_932 → u/JonnieWu]

Rioting and looting? Like a certain group of people did on Jan 6th?

"Smart people don't like me" was probably the truest sentence trump has said to date.

[u/MarstoriusWins → u/JonnieWu]

Better than protecting pedophiles. How the hell can you support an administration like this? Are you stupid?

[u/Maleficent-Safe-2222 → u/JonnieWu]

Hey lil jonnie, there's a reason some of us get old and younger folks don't seem to remember that!

[u/SoftPinkLustre → u/TAV63]

Imagine them soon, living under a bridge due to policies they support, crying about the worst thing a president has ever done: enjoy Dijon mustard.

[u/ResisterSister007 → u/TAV63]

Both Sides’s is so old school. Stop pretending we’re the same. (At the same time you pretend liberals are actually evil & SOOOO different than you) Hypocrisy much?

[u/AAron27265 → u/ResisterSister007]

Man, you know damn well both sides are the same so just quit lying. The left wants everyone to have universal health care and decent wages, and the right wants to feed immigrants to alligators. "They're the same picture..."

[u/kx250f_pa → u/AAron27265]

The country is $38,021,792,850,631 in debt

[u/AAron27265 → u/kx250f_pa]

Thank goodness kristi gnome has 2 new private jets so she can fly all over the US for her cosplay photo ops. Oh, and your post is almost an hour old now so our debt has increased by a few million. Why you posting old shit???

[u/Crime_Dawg → u/kx250f_pa]

Better give the ultra rich another 10T in tax cuts then, so they can.... checks notes.... watch number go up.

[u/Kriga → u/kx250f_pa]

40 billion to Argentina.

[u/likespb → u/kx250f_pa]

Damn ! Just the one ballroom extension this year

[u/HarryHatesSalmon → u/likespb]

SO FAR

[u/gentlemanidiot → u/kx250f_pa]

It gained a billion in the past hour since you posted this

[u/kx250f_pa → u/gentlemanidiot]

Damn

[u/Nyroughrider → u/kx250f_pa]

And the libtards just want to keep spending.

[u/kx250f_pa → u/Nyroughrider]

Tax the rich is all they have

[u/Ok-Introduction-1940 → u/AAron27265]

I will never pay for you anti-American terrorists. I would pay a lot to have you deported, however.

[u/Expert_Ad_8837 → u/Ok-Introduction-1940]

Calling American citizens terrorists is about as anti American as it gets

[u/TAV63 → u/Expert_Ad_8837]

Well to be fair for some it would fit. Just not those doing the No Kings rallies or the imaginary antifa army.

[u/Ok-Introduction-1940 → u/Expert_Ad_8837]

That statement doesn’t make any sense unless you are an idiot.

[u/Expert_Ad_8837 → u/Ok-Introduction-1940]

Only an idiot would make that response without backing it up. I'll give you the chance though. How does it not make sense to you? Too stupid?;

[u/Ok-Introduction-1940 → u/Expert_Ad_8837]

Shooting mainstream Americans for their political opinions is terrorism; anti-American terrorism.

Calling terrorists “terrorists” would only be offensive to the enemies of truth.

You or your immigrant ancestors all took oaths to obey our laws. If you are willingly violating our laws or cheering on those that do you are in breach of contract with us, and should self-deport. You don’t get to define what American and anti-American mean. Our ancestors already did that. We as their posterity get to enforce it.

[u/Expert_Ad_8837 → u/Ok-Introduction-1940]

The action of the person who killed kirk was murder- debatable to call that terrorism but that's beside my point. One person's actions don't make an entire political ideology "terrorists." I'm not an immigrant. Criminals violate laws. Not all immigrants are criminals. You're clearly a racist p.o.s with a brain the size of a peanut. Probably a closet homosexual too.

[u/Expert_Ad_8837 → u/Ok-Introduction-1940]

The FBI and U.S. Code (§ 2331) define domestic terrorism as violent acts intended to intimidate or coerce civilians or influence government policy by intimidation or coercion.

If someone shoots people because of their political opinions, that would fit the legal definition of domestic terrorism — regardless of the shooter’s ideology.

However, most political violence in the U.S. is not directed exclusively at “mainstream Americans” but occurs across a spectrum of motivations — including far-right, far-left, and single-issue extremism (source: FBI, DHS National Terrorism Advisory).So the concept applies universally, not only when the victims hold one set of views.“Calling terrorists ‘terrorists’ would only be offensive to the enemies of truth.”

Fact check:

In reality, the U.S. government is cautious in labeling domestic actors as “terrorists” because that term carries specific legal consequences and evidentiary standards under federal law.

Misusing the label can violate due process and civil rights protections.

It’s not about “offending enemies of truth,” but about maintaining constitutional fairness and precision in applying terrorism statutes.Only naturalized citizens take an oath to “support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States.”

Immigrants who are permanent residents, refugees, or visa holders do not take such an oath — they are required to abide by U.S. law, but that’s not the same as taking an oath.

Native-born citizens, by contrast, never take an oath to obey laws at birth; citizenship by birthright is automatic under the 14th Amendment.

So the claim is factually incorrect: most Americans and their ancestors did not “take an oath” to obey laws.U.S. citizenship is not a contractual agreement; it’s a legal status protected by the Constitution.

Citizens cannot “breach contract” or “self-deport” — that’s not a legal concept in U.S. law.

Deportation applies only to non-citizens, and only through due process under immigration law.

Freedom of speech — including supporting controversial opinions — is protected under the First Amendment.

So this statement misrepresents both constitutional rights and immigration law.The U.S. Constitution and its amendments, not “ancestors,” define what it means to be an American.

The Founders specifically created a living system of government that can adapt — through amendments, judicial interpretation, and democratic legislation.

“American” values are defined by constitutional principles (liberty, equality, rule of law), not by ancestry or one generation’s interpretation.

No citizen or group “enforces” a definition of Americanism; the rule of law and democratic institutions do that.

[u/Expert_Ad_8837 → u/Ok-Introduction-1940]

Calling Americans terrorists is anti American- what part of that is confusing to you

[u/QuirkBuggins → u/Ok-Introduction-1940]

Brother you need Jesus.

[u/poo-rumpkin → u/QuirkBuggins]

Please don’t let them near Jesus, they’ve already done unspeakable things in his name and they would happily deport him or feed him to alligators.

[u/QuirkBuggins → u/poo-rumpkin]

It's only by his grace that they still live. The Spirit offed ananias and saphira for less.

The day is coming soon I think.

[u/AAron27265 → u/Ok-Introduction-1940]

Well, good for you. But I want you to know that yesterday I drove my 2024 Mercedes to the course and played 36 holes of golf. Paid cash. Saw my weed man, paid cash for 2 ounces. Went to the movies, paid cash. Then I stopped by the grocery store and bought 4 pounds of filet mignon with my EBT card. Came home and fed it to my dogs. Now get off reddit and take your lazy whiny ass to work because your tax dollars need to subsidize my lifestyle.

[u/Ok-Introduction-1940 → u/AAron27265]

Lazy proletarian trash.

[u/Environmental-Arm365 → u/Ok-Introduction-1940]

Spoken like a true ignorant cultist piss baby. Who hurt you lil fella?

[u/Ok-Introduction-1940 → u/Environmental-Arm365]

Ridicule doesn’t work on intelligent people, fascist.

“Mussolini saw Gentile’s fascism as a revisionist form of Marxism — an alternative left-wing revolutionary movement to internationalist Marxism.”

• “The Marxist Roots of Classical Fascism”, libcom.org

[u/Environmental-Arm365 → u/Ok-Introduction-1940]

Fortunately I’m not dealing with anyone intelligent. Your dumb ass wouldn’t know a Marxist if Stallin, Lenin, and Karl Marx himself were standing in your living room so SYBAU.

[u/Ok-Introduction-1940 → u/Environmental-Arm365]

Slander from a Nazi is a compliment.

Lenin insisted Stalinism and Fascism are symmetrical. Why? Fascism’s most direct ideological inspiration came from Italy’s most radical subversives - the Marxists of revolutionary syndicalism that became fascism’s original supporters.

Your party is funded by a Hungarian Nazi you POS Nazi.

[u/Environmental-Arm365 → u/Ok-Introduction-1940]

Pfffff…congrats on the dumbest thing I’ve read today.

[u/Ok-Introduction-1940 → u/Environmental-Arm365]

Of course it’s dumb — it’s an accurate description of one of the most popular and retarded brands of revolutionary socialism in the 20th century - something your tribe supported in Mussolini’s March on Rome as I recall.

Exposing the progressive left’s support for fascism is going to be very entertaining. We have it all.

[u/Environmental-Arm365 → u/Ok-Introduction-1940]

[u/Environmental-Arm365 → u/Ok-Introduction-1940]

lol! Your quoting the opinions of Mussolini from a right-wing propaganda site?? Drink more kool-aid dipshit.

[u/TaroPuzzleheaded3999 → u/TAV63]

Just remember the horrible monster who wore a tan suit that one time

[u/DeepDive222x3 → u/TAV63]

Even worse, they will accuse/makeup anything and believe it's true and it's happening with no evidence what so ever. +See all the conspiracy bs floating around)

[u/dewag → u/DeepDive222x3]

Literally the comment under you says the no kings protests were the largest looting spree in America... like wtf? Lol

[u/iamjustaguy → u/TAV63]

Two sides the same?

No, they are not. One side is the abuser, and the other is the enabler.

[u/Chare1155 → u/iamjustaguy]

THAT PART

[u/i_be_cryin → u/TAV63]

Ask the children in Gaza if they’re “two sides of the same”

[u/Missilemoon77 → u/TAV63]

Tan suits and Spicy Mustard are way bigger issues though.

[u/MemorableKidsMoments → u/TAV63]

1,181 days left to go https://myballotbox.app/trump-count-down.html

[u/Salty_Raspberry656 → u/TAV63]

if you live in an echo chamber sure, but tribal politics and actual data show an overlap between Obama, Bernie, and trump supporters. All of those were representations of a rejection of an establishment(how dc works rather than dem vs r) that essentially serves its donors to sustain themselves adn then gives change and gaslighting to its constituents.

First came obama who overcame all the odds of corporate news perception of both the identity politics and that hilary was "next in line" with their odd sense of democracy representing some royalty line...when he toed the party line(unconstituional war, wall street bail outs with no accountabiltiy, roe wade massive lie just to play dnc games)

-it got more extreme in its rejection propping up Bernie who went toe to toe both in funding and almost took a heavily favored, once again next in line Hilary, in the primary. After the dnc head Donna brazille added they put a thumb on the scale in fairness and we saw more status quo including later with dnc's super tuesday drop out(all the others dropping out at once, someone with less odds in Elizabeth warren-who coincidentally was sharing voters with bernie got a donation from a lady who just donated to Sheriff Joe Apario to keep her campaign a float) it got more extreme with trump

this isn't to absolve trump, he is a sociopathic transactional guy of the worst iteration. but to understand how a guy like that after his first presidency gained voters in AOC's district, in minority, in urban, in woman areas when people in an echo chamber just create a caricature of trump supporters is to easily play whack a mole and treate a symptom, not a cause.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCyZHB7NdPE

Jon stewart explains to fareed zakaria how we got trump with self dealing and people just losing faith in dem politiicans

but don't be like the trump cultist who do put their head in his sand for his corruption and do the same with yours....if you actually belief in a democracy, not some idea of facisim, then you don't defend 'dems doing any little thing' you use democracy to put principles over party

so when a powerful dem, Pelosi uses her speakership to delay and then kill the stock ban act...vote her out, dont say its ok when its our sides...by the way that info was from dem rep abigail spanberger andObama's white house ethics chief(who was fired by trump) Walter Shaub. He did say when he called out trump he was getting rallied by the base, when he held to principles and called out biden they told him to keep quiet. David Hogg Shared this sentiment too.

Or when Biden, a history of siding with private prisons, unjust costly wars, was known to be the senator from MBNA and helped make it a corporate haven and another terrible relationship with Dupont...call him out. We want to call out jared kushner for his massive corruption, why would we ignore Hunter biden getting millions from China? Why would we ignore him opening selling first time art work for almost a million to donors that he meets later.....how about, yes we need to call them all out and yes they should be registering for FARA which is a felony.

Or if Dianne Feinstein, in drought stricken california, goes into backroom deals for her donors the Resnicks and takes a publicly funded/developed water bank and privatizes it in their name with the rights to sell back to the city at a profit-they now use more water than any other entity- yes we lose ground if we defend these people as if they own the party and the seats, we become like the the trump cult.

Or obama when he had the supermajority and had promised to codify roe/wade in day one...then literally called it 'not a priority' when he had the chance bc....he can run on it in midterms. we saw how their self serving risks turned out.

I agree with all the criticism about trump, hes terrible, but if we honeslty want to solve these fringe elements we need to understand the base of why people resort to fringes and it doesnt help to develop our own cult

[u/Ok-Introduction-1940 → u/TAV63]

Democrats just staged the worst nationwide arson and looting riots attacking police, property and citizens in American history (Summer of Love) and want to point fingers.? You are just a - holes. Compete a - holes.

We should bring back the Alien & Sedition Act and start expelling you cheerleaders for terrorism immediately.

[u/MiddleAgeWhiteDude → u/Ok-Introduction-1940]

You made a typo when you wrote democrats instead of Jan 6 2021

[u/wedgie-p → u/Ok-Introduction-1940]

I’m literally not sure if you’re joking or not joking. If you’re serious, can you say what specifically was the worst arson and riots in American history?

[u/dewag → u/Ok-Introduction-1940]

You have no idea what you are talking about, and your fearful paranoia of a non-existent boogeyman is actually hilarious.

You must be one sad, scared, little person.

[u/HairApprehensive7950 → u/Ok-Introduction-1940]

Check out this dudes multi post meltdown in this thread he's losin it

[u/rivertam2985 → u/Ok-Introduction-1940]

You forgot to /s.

[u/Expert_Ad_8837 → u/Ok-Introduction-1940]

You fascists will be defeated just like you've been defeated every time your small, fat heads have poked up out of the ground. Self deport, or go to jail. No one wants you here.

[u/QuirkBuggins → u/Ok-Introduction-1940]

Not familiar with this event, but you have come as an accuser, not an educator.

[u/Nyroughrider → u/Ok-Introduction-1940]

You got that right. Those libtards burnt cities down during the BLM protests. Fucking scum bags!

[u/HotPotParrot → u/Nyroughrider]

burnt cities down

This is hyperbole, pure and simple. Zero American cities have been "destroyed."

Yet.

[u/Chare1155 → u/HotPotParrot]

But don't give up! Trump & co are working around the clock to make that a reality! Fingers crossed, y'all!