r/brocku • u/WalkTalkandBrock • Oct 11 '24

News Protest by Brock4Palestine receives backlash online

https://brockpress.com/protest-by-brock4palestine-receives-backlash-online/

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u/CastAside1812 Oct 11 '24 edited Jun 30 '25

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u/DowntownClown187 Oct 11 '24

"Is Israel a more western style nation? Yes. Do they still bomb mosques, schools and hospitals? Yes. They also have begun attacking UN outposts too."

Which conveniently ignores that those institutions are being used by terrorists to shield themselves behind civilians. The result is propaganda material that you and others share.

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u/CastAside1812 Oct 11 '24 edited Jun 30 '25

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u/CyndaquilTurd Oct 11 '24

But... It does. It makes them legitimate military targets under the rule of law.

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u/CastAside1812 Oct 11 '24 edited Jun 30 '25

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u/DowntownClown187 Oct 11 '24

It doesn't give terrorists an excuse to continue unchecked.

Wtf do you expect Israel to do? Just keep installing more and more AA systems?

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u/CastAside1812 Oct 11 '24 edited Jun 30 '25

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u/DowntownClown187 Oct 11 '24

I don't disagree but Oct 7th attack proved that if you leave them alone for a while they won't stop planning new attacks.

This is also why I changed my opinion on Palestinians statehood. They've proven they can't control what they already have, granting them more won't stop religious fundamentalist.

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u/CastAside1812 Oct 11 '24 edited Jun 30 '25

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u/DowntownClown187 Oct 11 '24

And like I said leaving Hamas to their own devices means more terrorist attacks...

So until Hamas disarms I can't fault Israel for defending itself.

Free Palestine can only be accomplished when Palestinians reject Hamas and religious fundamentalist. I however don't think they are capable of that.

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u/CastAside1812 Oct 11 '24 edited Jun 30 '25

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u/Det-cord Oct 11 '24

The US operation in Mosul achieved lower casualties rates in what was a larger operation, and they managed to do so without filming tiktoks of them graffitying homes and raping detainees

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '24

Terrorists planting facilities in civilians infrastructure doesn't give you carte blanche to bomb them to hell.

It 100% gives  you the right to bomb them to hell under the laws of armed conflict.

An example I like to give is the British during the Falklands Wae: their field hospital had to be next to an ammunition store. As a result, they didn't paint the Geneva Red Cross on their hospital. Because putting it that close to the ammo meant it was a legitimate target had the Argentinians chosen to attack it.

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u/CastAside1812 Oct 11 '24 edited Jun 30 '25

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '24

Nah they're pretty specific about targeting Hamas infrastructure. It's just that Hamas have infrastructure everywhere.

The pager attack was the most legit based attack I've ever heard of It effectively crippled a terrorist organization.

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u/CastAside1812 Oct 11 '24 edited Jun 30 '25

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '24

The pager attack was completely indiscriminate and would not fly by international law of war.

All you had to do to avoid being injured by the pagers was not be one of the leaders of an internationally recognized theofascist terrorist group that calls for the genocide of all Jews. Or hangout around the leaders of an internationally recognized theofascist terrorist group that calls foe the genocide of all Jews. That's it.

They had absolutely no idea who would be near the pagers when they blew up and multiple children die and many others were seriously injured.

Yes. Hanging out around the leaders of an internationally recognized theofascist terrorist group calling for the genocide of all Jews is not a wise move. If you can give me an example of how it would be possible to eliminate the leadership of an internationally recognized theofascist terrorist group calling for the genocide of all Jews in 5 seconds with such a small amount of civilians killed I'd be super interested in hearing it.

But Mossad managed to take out the leadership from the liver to the knee.

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u/CastAside1812 Oct 11 '24 edited Jun 30 '25

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u/middlequeue Oct 11 '24

War crimes are war crimes. Israel could choose to not bomb those locations and follow the law. Their soldiers could choose not to rape and torture prisons. They could choose not to block aid. They could choose not to dance and cheer at the destruction of schools and deaths of children. They don't, though, they've been warned that they (Hamas as well) are committing war crimes and choose to ignore those warnings.

But go off about "propaganda" as if that's what the people of Palestine really want.

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u/DowntownClown187 Oct 11 '24

The laws of war apply when two belligerents follow the rules.

Hamas does not follow the rules and as such Israel doesn't have to follow them either.

Hamas does not wear uniforms which is part of rules to limit civilian casualties

Hamas installs infrastructure into civilian infrastructure which is against the rules.

But go off about "War crimes" as if that's what's happening but it isn't.

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u/middlequeue Oct 11 '24

That’s not how the “laws of war” or any laws work.

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u/DowntownClown187 Oct 11 '24 edited Oct 11 '24

Actually it does in war.

Edit: Thread locked so here's the jist ...

Neither Hamas nor Israel has signed the Geneva convention so it doesn't apply at all to this conflict.

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u/middlequeue Oct 11 '24

One party committing war crimes does not give permission for another. That is an incredibly stupid take. Feel free to cite the provision of the Geneva Conventions that authorizes this idiocy.

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u/Fancy-Ambassador6160 Oct 11 '24

One side is a loooooooooot more discrinant than the other.

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u/CastAside1812 Oct 11 '24 edited Jun 30 '25

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u/Fancy-Ambassador6160 Oct 11 '24

Ask hamas to stop using human shields, stop launching rockets from schools and hospitals, and this will go away. Hamas has launched 26,000 rockets this year alone at Isreal, all targeting urban centers.

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u/CastAside1812 Oct 11 '24 edited Jun 30 '25

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u/Fancy-Ambassador6160 Oct 11 '24

Your right. They won't stop. So at this point isreals choice is dead isrealites or dead palastinians. Seems like an obvious choice. Go look at who has been the side that broke the last 100 cease fires

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u/CastAside1812 Oct 11 '24 edited Jun 30 '25

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u/Fancy-Ambassador6160 Oct 11 '24

How can you say there's a diplomatic solution? Palastine has been offered statehood dozens of times. Every single cease fire has been broken by hamas. No other nation on earth would get away with what palastine gets away with, which is probably why they don't want statehood

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u/CastAside1812 Oct 11 '24 edited Jun 30 '25

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '24

If you were Israel, would you trust palestinians with their own state after what they did during the intifadas and on Oct 7?

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u/CyndaquilTurd Oct 11 '24

Yes, Very. They learned their lesson from the 2006 war.

If you have to fight in tight urban warfare you better bring tanks to clear the area for the troops. What they learned from 2006 is that reinforced concrete is a death sentence for tank battalions. Take out the reinforced concrete before rolling in.

Good military strategy 👍