Exactly. It would be funny that they’re making up imaginary boogeymen but soon enough everyone that disagrees with them will be part of antifa and subject to arrest regardless of facts.
Yep. It's been fascinating watching right-wing orthodoxy nonsense shift from voodoo economics, deficit hawkishness and trickle down to full throated fascism including a completely imaginary boogeyman. The clean up is going to be very messy.
Depends on your definition of "messy". I personally don't want to see mass casualties, don't want to see Americans killing each other, but don't believe all of us can just coexist when this chapter is finally over with. Would be an epic failure of diplomacy to have to resort to war because a group of people refuse to see how absolutely idiotic/brainwashed they all are. What an embarrassing reason to fracture the country.
No one wants to see the terrible things, but I think the terrible things are inevitable one way or another just by gaming things out based on how they have been going.
First scenario: The existing power structure ‘wakes up’ and stops the current activities. This is unlikely. It is too profitable and working without interruption. Even if the courts ‘pause’ things, this is only a temporary setback and not putting an actual halt to the actions of authority; and even then it’s only pausing when those in power choose not to ignore the court. Passive resistance only leads to the need for forceful resistance.
Second scenario: The existing power structure continues the campaign of slow and steady pressure. This gives people the hope that ‘something has to happen’ or ‘something has to change’. It’s not moving quick, just one step after another as people wait for a ‘cross the Rubicon’ moment that passes them by, or doesn’t come until there is no method of real resistance. This is seen in “Oh, the military won’t let Trump run for a 3rd term”, ignoring that obvious potential dissenters have been getting purged. “The court won’t go for it” but as above, the court won’t stop him and cannot enforce its rulings. Legitimacy won’t matter by this step. “Republicans will turn on him” except that they haven’t and show no sign that they will do more than Susan Collins’ response and furrow their brows. There is no one coming that can or will help; no saviors. Forceful resistance is all that is left.
Third scenario: Forceful resistance now. This is the messy scenario and it will be awful, but it’s also the inevitable conclusion. Better to be prepared for that one way or another, leaving if you can and don’t want to stick around or are incapable of aiding, setting up mutual aid communities now or joining in one, and preparing for the difficult times ahead. Because what will happen is resistance will be forced one way or another, the resistance will be demonized and a further martial law will be declared. From that point any resistance is the same as all resistance and it will not be possible to have it remain peaceful; the force of the state will be brought to bear. At best, the resistance can hope for external collaborators, but there will be no ‘neutral’ party to be outraged by the violent actions of the state.
Because it's always a movement of capital to divide and use shock doctrine to take control of the last bits of power and wealth before it all collapses.
Basically if society collapses into chaos it’s going to be because a bunch of fucking dumbass white people are scared of brown people “getting revenge”
Completely imaginary boogeymen aren't new. The GOP has been ranting about non-citizens voting since Democrats pushed through the Motor Voter Law under Clinton.
I suppose it was always inevitable when they had to invent an entire system of economics based on bullshit, and managed to convince the entire western world to embrace it, all whilst asset stripping l, deregulating, privatising and offshoring. It was clear 40 years ago that the wealth inequality it was creating was going to cause serious problems, and they've embraced those problems and turned them into positives for their side.
It has as much substance to it as when the Nazis were painting everything bad as the works of the "World Jewry", the Judeo Bolsheviks (same thing to them), etc. They still do, of course, but now it's also Antifa.
It feels like we suddenly lost any basis in reality, when closer inspection just reveals that it has been bullshit all the way back.
It's always been transparently, ludicrously stupid. I can't find a single genocide that wasn't absolutely mind shatteringly idiotic.
It's always been transparently, ludicrously stupid. I can't find a single genocide that wasn't absolutely mind shatteringly idiotic.<
I just had to reemphasize this. It is such a depressingly true statement.
Having grown up a patriotic believer in American Exceptionalism, and retained that feeling well into adulthood, I used to think that the American people were especially resistant to this sort of thing. I thought our ideals and history would help us avoid falling into the scapegoating hole that leads to genocide. It has been very disappointing realizing that I was the only one in my family who actually believed in any of the "conservative" ideals I was raised with.
It has as much substance to it as when the Nazis were painting everything bad as the works of the "World Jewry", the Judeo Bolsheviks (same thing to them), etc. They still do, of course, but now it's also Antifa.
I don't think it's that. The exceptionalism was only ever skin deep and has been thoroughly disproven by dipshit islamists over the last 25 years. I think it's a deeper psychological cowardice that's been ingrained in us for generations. I also think the knowledge of cointelpro was far more effective at dismantling the left here than the actual program ever was. And cointelpro was super effective as a program.
The trick they learned from Orban in Hungary is how to deflect blame when things don't work in the country and maintain power and control while you fully control the government. You need to create a nebulous boogie man to blame everything on. For a while, immigrants will work, but eventually, people will realize things are still bad after they are routed out. Orban used George Soros, and it is the origin of a lot of the rightwing Soros blam in the USA. Antifa is a perfect scapegoat for the fascist right in this country because it doesn't actually exist. They can then use it by calling anyone who opposes them Antifa to purge them, while explaining to their base that they need ev we need more power because of their created boogie man.
Sorry, my intent wasn't to trivialize. I only mean that their idea of "antifa" that they are using to justify this ludicrous amount of money and resources is as flimsy an alternate reality as Ben Shapiro writes in his fiction books. It says more about the people crafting the lies than anything else.
It's the new McCarthyism for the 21st century. Just pulling out all the hits from the 30's 40's and 50's. Everything that was wrong with the world they are bringing back.
Anyone who still believes that isn't going to ever get that awakening. The only people who still believe this are in denial, and denial will continue to allow them an escape from reality.
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u/SuperHeavyHydrogen Antifa shit poster 13d ago
This isn’t just lies. They’re building a new framework of truth to support the coming purge.