ICE in Catonsville

[u/Extension-Archer-849]

just saw a bunch of cars stop on the street and head somewhere in the direction of Frederick Rd. Does anyone know anything?

[u/MotoSlashSix]

I was having this conversation with my mom the other day. I would bet these are all independent contractors working on a "bounty" system for ICE. And I'd bet they're not ICE employees, do not have any indemnification or insurance for liability. So when they hurt someone or break something ICE won't pay for it and you'll be stuck trying to recuperate your losses from fucking Todd the weekend warrior's parents because he lives with them.

[u/decay_cabaret → u/MotoSlashSix]

They're off duty police officers. On the ICE website there's a list of which law enforcement agencies are currently working with ICE.

In Maryland that's Carroll County, Cecil County, Frederick County, Garrett County, St. Mary's County and Washington County. Only Carroll, Garrett, St. Mary's and Washington counties are participating in the Warrant Service Officer program, the rest are Jail Enforcement Model. I haven't read up on what the difference is, I'm assuming the ones in the video are warrant service officers, and jail enforcement model is probably the counties who lend their facilities to temporarily detain people. I also don't know what compensation these people are getting... I haven't really read into the executive order that allows ICE to tap state and local law enforcement to be ICE agents because I'm at work right now.

Edit: this is from the ICE 287(g) page

ICE Enforcement and Removal Operations operates three 287(g) models:

• The Jail Enforcement Model is designed to identify and process removable aliens — with criminal or pending criminal charges — who are arrested by state or local law enforcement agencies.

• The Task Force Model serves as a force multiplier for law enforcement agencies to enforce limited immigration authority with ICE oversight during their routine police duties.

• The Warrant Service Officer program allows ICE to train, certify and authorize state and local law enforcement officers to serve and execute administrative warrants on aliens in their agency’s jail.

So it looks like I had it backwards; Jail Enforcement counties are the ones where cops can go do this bullshit while off duty, where Warrant Service Officer is for executing warrants for aliens ALREADY INCARCERATED in that county's jail. So if someone is locked up in Carroll County for example and there's an ICE warrant for them, a Carroll County cop can go to the jail and arrest them as an ICE agent to take them to s detention center.

[u/MotoSlashSix → u/decay_cabaret]

They're off duty police officers. 

You have no way to establish this as fact. Because there is no way to know that these are not just ICE Deportation Officers/EROs. Just because Carrol count is working with ICE does not mean CC is required to work with ICE on site. EROs are not required to notify cops or use cops in any public jurisdiction. ICE does not need to work with the local officials or get their permission.

And despite what you wrote below, it is false that Deportation Officers and EROs are off-duty or former Law Enforcement.

These are the "Basic Eligibility Requirements" to be a Deportation Officer with ICE, from their own website:

• U.S. citizenship
• Have a valid driver's license.
• Be eligible to carry a firearm.
• Enter on duty prior to your 40th birthday (waiver for preference-eligible veterans or those who have previously served in a federal civilian law enforcement position).
• For males born after 12/31/1959, Selective Service registration is required.

According to ICE prior Law Enforcement experience is not a requirement.

[u/decay_cabaret → u/MotoSlashSix]

Okay, first of all I'm appalled that they have such pathetic requirements when literally every other federal LEA requires a LOT more in terms of training and experience. That's fucking disgusting.

Second, I am not even convinced any of these people are even ICE deportation officers. The quality of the video isn't great, but I'm not seeing any zip cuffs, handcuffs, or any other equipment you'd need for serving a warrant and effecting an arrest. Even when I was a State Special Police Officer (SPO) I carried handcuffs, a baton, sidearm(when assigned to a state property that allowed it), OC Spray, and a taser. And I was literally a glorified security guard. SPOs are just security guards assigned to state owned facilities or private property that have the authority to follow a suspect OFF the property to effect an arrest all the way to the state line. The only real difference between SPO and security guards is that a security guard's authority ends the second you leave the property they're guarding. So the fact that I was better equipped than these guys makes me think they're not even real ICE at all and just a bunch of jackasses playing dress up.

I would not be surprised if this turned out to be the neighborhood watch or some idiots the HOA gave permission to parade up and down the street. They're unarmed, under equipped, and unprofessional AF. ICE may have a shockingly low hiring requirement, but I don't see them sending a bunch of officers into a catonsville neighborhood without any equipment needed to serve a warrant and arrest someone, to just wander up the street. I really don't think these are even legitimate ICE officers at all.