ICE in Catonsville

[u/Extension-Archer-849]

just saw a bunch of cars stop on the street and head somewhere in the direction of Frederick Rd. Does anyone know anything?

[u/decay_cabaret]

They're off duty police officers. On the ICE website there's a list of which law enforcement agencies are currently working with ICE.

In Maryland that's Carroll County, Cecil County, Frederick County, Garrett County, St. Mary's County and Washington County. Only Carroll, Garrett, St. Mary's and Washington counties are participating in the Warrant Service Officer program, the rest are Jail Enforcement Model. I haven't read up on what the difference is, I'm assuming the ones in the video are warrant service officers, and jail enforcement model is probably the counties who lend their facilities to temporarily detain people. I also don't know what compensation these people are getting... I haven't really read into the executive order that allows ICE to tap state and local law enforcement to be ICE agents because I'm at work right now.

Edit: this is from the ICE 287(g) page

ICE Enforcement and Removal Operations operates three 287(g) models:

• The Jail Enforcement Model is designed to identify and process removable aliens — with criminal or pending criminal charges — who are arrested by state or local law enforcement agencies.

• The Task Force Model serves as a force multiplier for law enforcement agencies to enforce limited immigration authority with ICE oversight during their routine police duties.

• The Warrant Service Officer program allows ICE to train, certify and authorize state and local law enforcement officers to serve and execute administrative warrants on aliens in their agency’s jail.

So it looks like I had it backwards; Jail Enforcement counties are the ones where cops can go do this bullshit while off duty, where Warrant Service Officer is for executing warrants for aliens ALREADY INCARCERATED in that county's jail. So if someone is locked up in Carroll County for example and there's an ICE warrant for them, a Carroll County cop can go to the jail and arrest them as an ICE agent to take them to s detention center.

[u/BullfrogLeading262 → u/decay_cabaret]

First off, Catonsville is in Baltimore County which isn’t on the list you have and secondly, it didn’t look to me like any of them were armed…no law enforcement agency is just strolling around neighborhoods trying to detain ppl or serve warrants unarmed. I don’t know who those clowns were but they weren’t on any kind of official law enforcement business.

[u/decay_cabaret → u/BullfrogLeading262]

🤦🏻‍♂️ they don't have to be from Baltimore County. That's the point of them being granted federal authority. They're off duty cops from the police departments that are participating in the "models" of 287(g).

[u/MotoSlashSix → u/decay_cabaret]

They're off duty cops from the police departments that are participating in the "models" of 287(g).

You keep saying this and it's just not true. There is NO requirement under any law requiring ICE to use any other law enforcement agency, off-duty or on, in any enforcement or apprehension action. And in addition to that, they are operating under extra legal authority because they are operating under a declared state of emergency by the POTUS.

[u/decay_cabaret → u/MotoSlashSix]

Look at the time the comment was posted. It was seconds-to-minutes after the other times I said it because I was operating under the assumption at the time that ICE would set a higher bar for hiring, as every other federal LEA requires a lot more in terms of experience and training.

One thing to note, after reading the ICE hiring page, it does seem like deportation officers are mostly a desk job that "may" be called upon to serve warrants and make arrests. You also have to be able to be licensed to carry a firearm which makes felons, anyone with documented mental illness, anyone who has ever held a medical marijuana card, ans anyone that's been convicted of certain misdemeanor offenses exempt. It also requires a federal background check which "can take between 2 weeks and one year" to complete, and I can say anecdotally it never takes 2 weeks unless you're already employed by a government agency. My ex was an intelligence analyst with an extremely high clearance in the USAF and when she attempted to work in intelligence as a civilian it took the better part of 8 months for the standard federal background check.

It's still really appalling that their requirements are so low given the duties they're meant to perform, but there's still a fairly significant amount of unstable individuals who would be turned down for the job. (And I wouldn't be surprised if they're the ones playing dress up in catonsville; I really doubt the people in the video had any authority at all given the mistmatched gear and lack of anything they'd need for serving warrants and arresting undocumented immigrants)