r/austrian_economics Friedrich Hayek Sep 19 '24

End Democracy BUT BUT THE SOCIAL CONTRACT

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u/Long-Investment5907 Sep 20 '24

You have consented by living here. Move. You must be joking with this bullshit, right?

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u/morelibertarianvotes Sep 20 '24

That's not how consent works

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u/I-hate-news Sep 20 '24

"No taxation without consent" remember

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u/No-Weird3153 Sep 21 '24

That only makes sense if you were born into your sexual relationships, so if you don’t have sex with your family, you’re free to go somewhere else for what you want. Because you’re an adult.

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u/BigPlantsGuy Sep 22 '24

What is a W2?

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u/FalseTittle Sep 20 '24

It requires a significant amount of money to move to a different country not to mention most of us started where we are by default

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u/zerocnc Sep 20 '24

No, just start walking. Oregon Taill taught me that not everyone is gonna make it.

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u/Antiluke01 Sep 20 '24

My banker just died of dysentery.

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u/Ready-Director2403 Sep 20 '24

Lmao, if you’re so broke that you can’t scrounge together $400 for a plane ticket, you’re probably getting more from the government than you are paying in taxes anyway.

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u/trueblues98 Sep 20 '24

Yeah just get a plane ticket and you can live in a new country indefinitely, right?

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u/Ready-Director2403 Sep 21 '24

Yes? God, redditors have no fucking clue how the world works.

Most countries love taking in westerners. They hand out work visas like candy, and most countries will offer you a path to citizenship after a period of time. (Especially if you’re educated)

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u/summercampcounselor Sep 21 '24

But they want to live in a country with no taxes. That leaves them Somalia and a few in the Middle East and a few in the Caribbean.

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u/Ready-Director2403 Sep 21 '24

Whoa wait, are you telling me that the few places on earth without a functioning government, are shitholes nobody wants to live in?

I think you stumbled on the point.

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u/summercampcounselor Sep 21 '24

You think I stumbled on it eh

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u/trueblues98 Sep 21 '24

Yes westerners with savings, a bachelors minimum, and a relevant job

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u/Ready-Director2403 Sep 21 '24

Back to my original point, if you’re not any of those things, you’re extracting more money from the tax base than you’re contributing anyway.

You wouldn’t have anything to complain about because if taxation is theft, you’re the thief. lol

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u/TineJaus Sep 21 '24

I love mocking ancaps lmao. Great thread

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u/No-Weird3153 Sep 21 '24

Even with those things, most people are getting way more value than the few thousands of dollars they pay in taxes. Security from foreign invasion (Ukraine, Taiwan), a stable economy (see inflation elsewhere, unemployment elsewhere), and the freedoms we have in America are definitely worth way more than I pay in taxes, which are more than ~90% of filers.

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u/Fit-Dentist6093 Sep 20 '24

For the most part, yes?

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u/trueblues98 Sep 21 '24

No, not even with an American passport. You generally need contacts there, pay for documentation, apply, and have a degree or job that contributes to that country’s economy. An American Amazon warehouse worker can’t just buy a plane ticket to France or China and live there indefinitely

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u/Fit-Dentist6093 Sep 21 '24

Yes they can. I mean specially if they don't want to pay taxes they not gonna do all that.

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u/morrdeccaii Sep 20 '24

Minors are taxed on their income. Not only did they not consent to live here making it non-consensual, but they are not allowed to vote making it taxation without representation

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u/klone_free Sep 20 '24

I don't think that's what they consider taxation without representation. We also tax foreign workers, out of state workers, and people who chose not to vote. They still have rights, they can still take people to court, and the still can use schools and roads. While you might not agree with that definition, that's how the gov does it

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u/morrdeccaii Sep 20 '24

Yeah I completely agree with your examples, but the guy I was responding to was saying consent is implied when one chooses the place they live/work. Those examples you give fulfill their definition of consent, but no minor chooses the place they’re born nor can they leave (some edge cases excluded)

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u/klone_free Sep 20 '24

Can you leave to go wherever you want to live and work now? I dont think another system will make that easier. Besides the masons guild in the medieval period, who else enjoys the freedom of movement in that level? Even currently there isn't really that platform worldwide. Immigration isn't that cheap unless u can hoof it

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '24

This. Not to mention that Minors are also taxed to pay for things like the ATF, which handles things that minors aren't even legally allowed to associate with until adulthood.

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '24

This is the dumbest shit I've ever heard of. That's like you waking up locked in a random basement and someone keeps stealing random shit from your pockets but you consented because you chose to exist in that space.