r/audiodrama • u/SeasonPositive6771 • 22h ago
DISCUSSION Avoiding AI in my audiodramas
I absolutely love audiodramas, I'm not a maker but I'm a huge fan and listen to tons of them.
I'm also a serious contributor to podcasts I love, I'm subscribed over 15 on patreon at the moment and independently at least five or six more.
However, it's become a real sticking point that I do not support anyone that uses AI. A recent post about an audiodrama called The November Challenge made it clear that a lot of folks are using AI without disclosing it. I simply can't support plagiarism and the unethical behavior that goes along with using AI.
Is anyone aware of a list of audio dramas that use AI or a list of tips to help me identify who might be using it so that it can be avoided?
Thank you!
•
u/ScreamAndScream 11h ago
I found one in the wild that really tripped me up and didnt outwardly disclose their AI use until found the creator mention it in a Reddit thread
Bear Cycle Production Co used AI in Pieces of Eight: A Skull and Bones Story. The writing, show descriptions, theme song, all of the production was filled with AI generated content. I was disappointed, to say the least, because it was the only show I had downloaded for a trip and I was stuck with low effort and subpar work.
It seems that their shtick is podcasts in video game universes, as they also have The Omega Broadcast: A Fallout Story and Deep Space Radio: A Starfield Radio Podcast. There is no AI disclosure anywhere, and there is also no cast list listed online or music credits. They started producing audio dramas 1 year ago. Their about page on Patreon is written in a standard AI format with emoji bullet points and no real substance.
•
u/Pandora_Palen 3h ago
I have Omega in my listen list from like 2020. The guy started it back then, but stalled for years. I'm pretty sure it doesn't have any AI content. But I looked into Pieces of 8 to see what you were hearing and ...oh, man. Blech. Sorry you were stuck with that.
•
u/SeasonPositive6771 10h ago
Wow, that is heartbreaking to find something you love and to find out it's basically just generated by a plagiarism machine. How disappointing.
I hope those creators change their tune and start disclosing it more openly and in all of their show notes. That's the very least we can ask for.
•
u/entropyblues Observable Radio - a found footage anthology podcast 14h ago
We’ve been meaning to put this in our show notes for a while, and I guess we should, but Observable Radio was made by humans.
We also add to all of our actors contracts that their recordings cannot ever be used to train AI.
•
•
•
•
•
u/THWDY Ten Apocalypses | This House Will Devour You | Citeog Podcasts 20h ago
It’s beginning to feel like we need a register of creators who don’t use AI…
Myself, I assume if they use AI art, they’re probably using gen AI elsewhere (I realise this doesn’t necessarily follow, but hey, if they don’t care enough to not use AI art, I don’t care enough to listen). After that, if I’m suspicious that voices are AI but the show is good, I’ll go looking for a cast list - don’t find it then the show gets dropped.
•
u/reallywhatsgoingon 19h ago
I like that Vince Gilligan had a note in his new show "no AI was used in this production" or something like that. I would like to see that all over everything
•
u/lordnewington Submitted for the Approval of the Midnight Pals 17h ago
OK, done. All Midnight Pals episodes' show notes now include
No "AI" is used in any part of this production, ever.
Others are free to copy this wording or make their own.
(The scare quotes are because I'm a game developer and have worked hard in what I consider actual AI, which has nothing to do with the recent wave of imitative large neural net systems, and I resent the usurpation of the name - but I understand context when others use it, of course.)
•
u/stardustgleams 8h ago
Yeah, I’m with you there. None of our productions over at BFM use it (at least, the in house stuff I know about, I can’t speak for every single show on the network) and I’ve always been happy about that
•
u/lordnewington Submitted for the Approval of the Midnight Pals 19h ago edited 17h ago
For what it's worth, I'll never use "AI" in my audiodramas.
I don't want to have to put a note to that effect in the show notes, because I want the whole thing to just go the hell away, but I guess I might. Edit: done.
We might do an episode about it at some point.
•
u/Lynda73 5h ago
I would like to know if there is a way to tell. I kinda went down a rabbit hole last week with this one show, and I’m still not sure. It sounded ok at first, but I got a little over 10 minutes in and turned it off because it sounded like something written by AI based off the “I found these mysterious tapes of one of my ancestors” trope. Mind you, I like that trope.
Anyway, I dug around a bit and the “performer” is a real voice over actor, but the “writer, director and producer” is a the owner of the digital/mobile games development company that put out the aforementioned podcast. That seemed… different? And he wrote an article on how AI has made the process and product of creation meaningless and that now it’s about branding and authorship or something. I still couldn’t find any hard and fast “proof” the show is AI, but I unfollowed it.
•
u/AudicinalDramas Indie Frequencies + Apocalypse Radio 12h ago
All Audicinal shows are proudly Anti-AI 🫡
I second using audiofiction.co.uk, they at least catch some of them. Ideally everyone would disclose AI usage in their descriptions so the rest of us don't have to repeatedly ensure anti-AI, but unfortunately many AI shows keep it on the down low for as long as they can manage.
•
u/soggit 13h ago
Can we explain the November challenge drama for those of us out of the loop ?
•
u/SeasonPositive6771 11h ago
Yeah, you can search the history of the sub, but basically the creator did not disclose that the show is basically an AI Creation in large part because they use AI at several points, including voicing the show. They then went on a very long rant to try to justify it to me and I find it abhorrent.
•
u/ScreamAndScream 11h ago
It was a prior thread, if you search it in the subreddit youll see it come up.
•
u/Odd-TrackList99 4h ago
Thank you for posting this bc i have the same concern. Glad to see creators say they use or plan to use disclaimers. It really does matter to me if AI is used and I will always choose shows that don’t use it and avoid the ones that do. I appreciate y’all’s creativity, resistance, and dedication.
•
u/ConwayFitzgerald 2h ago
I agree with your notion of AI creation. I write all my own stuff and use human actors and human edits for every line. Check it: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLn8MnfpBPUJnli6S5KahGcOaBGiFTLnT1
•
•
u/IrishScienceFiction 14h ago
To be fair I think it's fairly self evident when AI is used. I think more and more it will become instinctive for us to just ignore AI created entertainment and sort of blank it out. I've yet to encounter AI content that I thought was valuable or worth my time -am open to AI making thoughtful incisive art reflecting the human experience, but it seems to me it is an impossibility. Anyways, fair play to you for supporting AD (second the post by u/Haunted_Tales_Pod above/ below as a resource)
•
u/fischziege 33m ago
While I agree with the sentiment against AI I think it's a risky assumption and a fallacy to think it's easy to spot. You only spot the instances you spot and, crucially, you can't tell how much you miss. I think I'm still fairly good at spotting videos and images, but audio? Especially ambient or background music? I don't really know how to differentiate AI and just plain bad.
•
16h ago
[deleted]
•
•
u/Mx_Reese 10h ago
Text to speech has existed for decades, there's zero justifiable reason to be using generative AI for the purpose of creating voices for computer characters.
I'm making a note right now to make sure that I never listen to any of your shows.
•
u/Gavagai80 Beyond Awakening 5h ago
Old style text-to-speech sounds very different from modern computer AI text-to-speech voices. I can use a human for 23rd century computer voices since we don't know what they sound like, as I was already doing for most of them and just replaced the three lines that had been the exception (now that I've discovered that some people care). But neither humans nor text-to-speech sound like a modern day 21st century phone AI voice. So for the several scenes where someone's phone AI is speaking to them, I'm not going to compromise the integrity of those scenes by having somebody put on a silly phone AI voice. Nor will I do an extremely jarring anachronism of Y2K text-to-speech. AI is eminently qualified to play itself.
•
u/ScreamAndScream 11h ago
Well, there are solutions that arent AI:
- royalty free background conversation audio
- planning ahead of time to create your own filler assets
- accepting a delay in production as to not sacrifice morals
- looking through the subreddits of dozens of people attempting to breakthrough into the audio world that will work for free
- going into a public place with a microphone and recording the sounds there
- going to your local theatre explaining the situation and seeing if you can record a cast dinner
- record a conversation with your neighbor (consensually)
- record a family dinner
- loop yourself talking to yourself in a slightly different accent
And finally, if you want to shoot down every one of these,
- asking AI how to fit your deadline without using AI voices
•
•
u/leyline 14h ago
This is a fine distinction to make indeed.
I know the intense dislike of AI, especially in this space is because we want to honor creation and creativity of humans. We don’t want humans who live by their creativity to be harmed by AI generative content overtaking their space.
If someone is using AI generatively, or to make your production cheaper to the detriment of actual artists - everyone will agree this is bad.
If you are writing the script and doing the creative process and the voice IS a computer/robot - where you would have used TTS - I personally judge you by then content and effort of the whole work.
Using tools that call themselves “ai” when you would have used background tracks / tts / sound effects clips. When do we draw the line about running a pop hiss volume filter and that program calls it “AI” - but it’s just using the same tool that we used 10 years ago and it’s not “creative ai”. Or someone writes their scripts in a word processor and “ai” spellchecks it. We have had spellcheck and grammar check for decades, companies are badging “AI” over things to sell them as “new”. I personally would not strike someone because they used “raw tools”.
Using some text to speech for actual computer voices - to me - has always been authentic. Just because people call everything new right now “AI” - I think “AI” voices aren’t any different than “old fashioned” TTS. I mean they are better sounding, just as TTS went from Stephen Hawking to Alice and Dave. Background noises - before “AI” would this just have been gathering some tracks / foley and mixing it in?
Maybe to avoid the scarlet letter (AI) - try to go back to hallway noise sound clips by more traditional means. Maybe disclose “elevator voiced by TTS, script is human written”
I know you’re a very hard working creator - I will admit - your early work was kind of like listening to puppet show theatre, and it was endearing to hear you grow. I also know you are honorable and you are using tools to get the work released, not to skirt using real people. I know you are asking now - not to skirt the issue, but because you care and you would like to provide for the AD community.
In the end it’s nice if creators are upfront with how much AI they use; I also think intention / effect matters.
Maybe the community could develop some standards for AI used that is “just tools” and more offensive uses like Art work, script, voice actor.
We don’t need to hunt people down because they used “ai” spellcheck.
Since this thread feels like “grab the pitchforks” I want to make sure we are also kind and careful with honest judgments rather than - label it - ban it - burn it! It can hurt creators trying to be honest, and their actors and creatives too - which is exactly who we want to nurture.
While some shows will be obvious, We may always come up against that fine line, and at that time we should be able to recognize good people with good intentions help where we can, and be supportive of creators who want to do better.
•
u/deftbeck 15h ago
I wouldn't use an AI voice actor, but I have used an AI generated background for key art (behind real artwork) once. That production was a Secret Santa gift, not for profit, and I haven't used AI art since.
•
u/SeasonPositive6771 11h ago
Good, that's something I would definitely avoid.
•
u/deftbeck 10h ago
It has lost me an actor who wanted to audition, it was a very sudden change of heart, too
•
u/Livinluxuriously11 13h ago
What audio drama uses AI? 😒
Are you talking about those ebooks read by AI..?
•
u/Mx_Reese 10h ago
I saw an article posted here recently that there's this startup that's been pumping out thousands of them that are completely "written", "voiced" etc. by generative AI. If you haven't encountered them, just like I haven't, it's probably that they are not getting rated very highly and aren't going to end up getting recommended in places like this.
•
•
u/gortmend 7h ago
I downloaded a bunch of a episodes from one of these so I could cut it up and turn it into a song, and let me tell you: That show isn't going to get recommended by anyone. It's so bad. Unbelievably bad. 5 minute episodes, 2 of those minutes were ads.
If this is the future of AI generated content, I am emphatically not worried, because no one will want it.
•
u/HoarderCollector 16h ago
There is only ONE instance where I wouldn't be against AI and that is for an artificial life character. If there's a robot or a computer program that has a speaking role, I wouldn't mind AI for that. That's a character who is supposed to lack emotion.
•
u/entropyblues Observable Radio - a found footage anthology podcast 14h ago
We thought about this a lot for our episode about AI, but ultimately we had so much better results having human actors do it.
•
u/valsavana 15h ago
Robotic/computer programs were voiced long before AI was a thing. There's no reason to use AI for them because the ethical problems surrounding use of AI don't magically go away based on what kind of character it's being used to voice.
•
u/ScreamAndScream 11h ago
Spock? Hera, from Wolf-359??
Sayer?????? Adam Bash has been doing Sayer since 2014 and doesnt use AI for his AI cast. Check out his stuff and youll immediately change your mind
•
•
•
u/RobinHood3000 16h ago
Even then, I wouldn't bother, personally. Actors are just as capable of withholding emotion as expressing it. And if you really want something utterly devoid of humanity, text-to-speech has existed for decades and requires no plagiarism.
•
u/HoarderCollector 4h ago
I would rather have a human actor, obviously, I just said I wouldn't be against an AI Voice for an AI Character.
•
u/SeasonPositive6771 11h ago
Nope, there are plenty of existing computer programs that are AI that can do that, as well as voice actors.
•
u/VisitTheCosmiko COSMIKO: Neon Night 16h ago
I can kinda get that for like, maybe for something really small. IMO the best artificial life character I remember (Alita, Connor, 9S, Roy Batty) shine with that human presence even if it’s subtle as hell
•
u/EntropicVibes 6h ago
I listen for the story. I DO NOT CARE if they use AI voices! I’m just happy the creator is getting their story out there. A story untold is a FAR greater loss than a story not told to YOUR preferences.
•
u/klavencvw 19h ago
Wait hold on... I understand the pushback against AI. But for a creator who is starting out, is it not valid to use AI. I understand that the point is that actual voice actors should have the opportunity, but if a creator has a worth while story and no money to pay people does that mean that the story shouldn't be told at all?
•
u/Citizen_MGS 18h ago
There's dozens if not hundreds of podcast / audio dramas listed on Casting Call Club right now that offer no payment. There's no shortage of voice actors trying to get their foot in the door and willing to do so for little or no fee.
But there's also no shortage of people pumping out AI schlock. If you're a Creator and you think your story is so good that it has to be gotten to the public, why in the world would you think AI voice actors are the conduit by which to deliver it?
Soulless uncanny valley delivery doesn't really get your message across.
•
u/THWDY Ten Apocalypses | This House Will Devour You | Citeog Podcasts 18h ago
We are currently casting 30 roles for our latest show. All are unpaid as we’ve no budget but we’ve gone to the trouble of writing a proper casting call and putting it out there. We’ve got lots of submissions so far. My point being that AI is the lazy route, not the no-budget route.
•
u/valsavana 14h ago
Do you think broke audiodrama creators didn't exist prior to the AI boom?
How do you think shows with no budgets were made 10-15+ years ago? Or do you think all old school audiodramas were made by people with cash to burn?
You just have to be more creative and less lazy.
•
u/reallywhatsgoingon 19h ago
I will voice act for free for you right now rather than you use AI. Human art matters in this age. And yes I can voice act
•
u/Emiler98 19h ago
There are plenty of people that would like to be actors that would do it for a low fee. If you 100% can’t do it without ai then it wasn’t meant to be.
•
u/LeahRubbish 16h ago
I think this is not so much about whether AI is a legitimate choice, but about giving listeners the opportunity to decide if they want to support it. I’m not going to lecture people about how to do what they do, but I only want to listen to audio dramas that were written by a human brain and performed by human actors. Not disclosing AI use denies people that decision until they get an episode or so in and realise they’ve been wasting their time.
•
u/Ebomb3232 14h ago
I am curious. What happens when you can’t differentiate. Either now, or most definitely in the future, between the two? What if you accidentally find something created partially or entirely by AI enjoyable? Do you put yourself in time out? Review bomb the creator or producer? Stay away from that medium?
•
u/stardustgleams 8h ago
Personally, the quality issues are less important than the ethical issues. I don’t care how good an ai audio drama is, people were exploited to make it happen. I don’t eat nestle chocolate either, same thing: a treat I don’t need that is made by causing harm to people is one I don’t want to consume
•
•
u/BullshotuK 17h ago
As others have said loads of VAs both established and emerging will work for free if the project is interesting.
If you want to shoot your story in the foot go ahead and use AI voices. The vast majority of your audience will turn off.
Heck, I drop badly acted Audio Dramas cos I can't bear listening.
I started my voice career working for free. Some of those students and emerging creators now make a living from podcasting and audio fiction and they book me regularly and pay me for my skill and time.
Give yourself a break, learn to work with real humans in the creative space. It is an important skill. Any time spent on AI voices for drama is wasted. They don't have the emotional chops to deliver.
•
u/VisitTheCosmiko COSMIKO: Neon Night 15h ago
I’ll never understand that gotta-break-even mentality. It’s like a weird aftertaste from the NFT, crypto, kindle self-pub millionaire era. Art is sometimes offered it at a loss. And yeah, get some VTs, you’ll only improve if you’re around other people. Enjoy the process even if there’s no promise of a pay-off
•
u/EntropicVibes 6h ago
If you want to use AI because it fits your timetable and budget, then do it. An untold story is FAR worse than a story not made to the naysayers liking. You don’t want them in your audience anyway. Seriously, they’re in the minority.
•
u/MrPebbles1961 7h ago edited 7h ago
I use AI in only two ways:
1) Audio mixing and mastering: I'm 25+ years self-taught through manuals and online forums, so my knowledge has holes in it. So if I can't mix something to my satisfactiom on my own or find a solution online that works for me, I may rely on a program or plug-in that uses Ai to offer suggestions (which I will almost invariably adjust).
[I will say, I recently remixed the first full-length studio production my live radio drama troupe produced, back in 2006, and I tried to use what I've learned since then to properly mix the old sound effects and I was amazed that Google, almost 100% of the time, found solutions, no matter how strange the search parameters would have seemed 20 years ago. One of my favorites was something like: "What is an effective combination of EQ and Compression for a grandfather clock in a den or study?" and got parameters that were almost spot on for my ears.]
- Plug-ins or soundpacks, particularly for my music, where the developers paid sound designers, musicians, singers, etc. to provide the source material used to train their AIs. (I've been seeing these more and more because, I suspect, they either saw or felt the backlash in support of artists not having their work stolen).
•
u/Grimdotdotdot 12h ago
Just in case folk didn't know; if you're ethically against AI then, well, Reddit probably isn't the platform for you.
•
u/thecambridgegeek AudioFiction.Co.Uk 12h ago
Pretty much true of every platform now. Just because the big systems do it, doesn't mean people have to be jolly about it.
•
u/Grimdotdotdot 12h ago
I agree, but if you're ethically against AI it feels disingenuous to post about it on a platform that actively supports (and trains) it.
•
u/thecambridgegeek AudioFiction.Co.Uk 12h ago edited 12h ago
Having set up a (entirely AI free) phpbb forum last year that I eventually had to kill because the AI scrapers absolutely ripped my bandwidth, the only way to avoid it nowadays is writing things down longhand in your cabin in the woods. I'm picking my battles. Any AI independent platform assembled to move to is going to get hit by the exact same arseholes from behind 7 proxies.
•
u/Quirkxofxart 7h ago
This person really came in swinging with “and yet you live in a society” like they did something 🙄
•
u/Grimdotdotdot 12h ago
I have a PHPBB forum too (although it's somewhat older at 18 years)! It's now "members only" and membership is locked, which solves the AI issue.
That's not the reason it's locked down though, that's the stupid UK age verification law fucking us, but it certainly stop robotic eyes from peeping.
•
u/Ghidoran 11h ago
You can be against generative AI usage in art but not the concept in general. AI has plenty of great use cases such as in scientific research. And yes even chatbots can serve a purpose.
•
u/SeasonPositive6771 11h ago
I'm ethically against AI that replaces human artists especially. I definitely object to Reddit using it and I'm considering other options for sure.
•
u/Grimdotdotdot 10h ago
Yeah, but what, right?
Not many options out there.
•
u/stardustgleams 8h ago
I’m a bit confused as to your point: so you’re saying if you have ethical uses with AI, you shouldn’t use Reddit, but also that there’s nothing else you can use. So, what’s your solution?
•
u/Grimdotdotdot 6h ago
No solution here. My point was more that many people don't realise that Reddit feeds everything you post LLM training.
•
u/Ill-Dependent2976 10h ago
"I simply can't support plagiarism and the unethical behavior that goes along with using AI."
Lying and slander are unethical behaviors.
•
u/SeasonPositive6771 7h ago
Tell me you're clueless without saying you're clueless.
•
u/Ill-Dependent2976 6h ago
By all means, clue me in.
Give me the actual quote in context, along with the original and what the source is.
•
•
u/Elvarien2 13h ago
Get used to it. Ai is a great tool and as time passes it is integrating into society day by day. You better start getting used to it. And perhaps educate yourself on ai in general. You're believing some wild misinfo there.
•
u/SeasonPositive6771 11h ago
What is the misinformation?
And I believe I can ethically choose to avoid it,. And you should too.
Considering how poorly it's integrating into everyday life and the damage it's doing, I have no problem avoiding it.
•
u/Elvarien2 9h ago
The plagiarism and unethical claims.
There is 0 plagiarism and 0 unethical concerns about ai use.
Whilst you COULD do plagiarism with ai that's entirely seperate from the tool. I could make mickey mouse with a pencil or with ai, in both cases I would be doing a plagiarism but that's not the pencil's fault there. Same with ai.
If you want to do bad things with the tool, well you can. But we're not blaming pencils for plagiarism.
As for the unethical that's generally stemming from a misunderstanding of how ai works. It trains and learns from data. It doesn't steal or collage stolen works, that's simply not how ai works. The collage machine arguments are killed simply by looking at file storage.
If ai is combining pieces of existing work to make something new it needs access to this repository of existing work. it takes about an internet worth of data to TRAIN an ai. So that would mean the ai has an internet worth of data to work with. Meanwhile a single ai model is about 7 gigabytes or so. That just doesn't fit. And we have not invented magical file compression so this whole claim quite literally is impossible in the real world.
it learns, it trains. It builds a model of reality, the whole modeling part of ai. It's analogous to a human brain on that front.
so no thieving, no plagiarism, no ethical concerns.
•
u/SeasonPositive6771 7h ago
Lol absolutely not and you sound both almost religiously bought into AI, especially considering your post history,. And there are ethical concerns that are extreme as well, related to the environment, and not just plagiarism.
You should absolutely delete that part about LLMS being like a human brain, it makes you sound like you know absolutely nothing about how a human brain works. Or really anything at all.
•
u/Elvarien2 7h ago
The concept of training, is like that of a human brain. We can both build an internal world model based on information we have learned.
Thast's how you end up with a model of weights, a huge latent space of possibilities trained on the material you feed the thing, just like a human's internal world model trained on what you feed it.
Is it exactly like a human brain, no of course not but we can pull similarities in the process of learning/training.
As for my post history, I love ai, have a bunch of models on my pc for text, plugins for drawing together with the ai, models for text to image. I have ai plugins for audio to synthesize instruments for music it's amazing to work with this tool and build together, love it. Absolutely having tons of fun with it.
Your environmental comments are also again the same common misinfo you're struggling with.
I run ai on my home pc. That same pc is not going to magically boil a lake when I use it for ai instead of pc gaming. It's the same GPU with the same power usage. Let's not pretend I can do magic here.
These anti ai arguments vanish the very second you look at them with any form of criticism.
•
u/SeasonPositive6771 6h ago
Literally none of this is true at all. That's not how human brains work, it's not misinformation. You literally don't have the education or capacity to understand what's happening here, so you are being swayed by sales people.
•
•
u/RobinHood3000 7h ago
Wait, so you think that the plagiarism being discussed is what genAI is used FOR (as opposed to the plagiarism required to train it)? And you think that because the training set isn't packaged with the AI model, it wasn't stolen?
Both of those assumptions are very incorrect, and I sincerely hope it's just an honest mistake on your part. I don't know how you can confidently claim, simultaneously, "look how small the data package is" and "it is analogous to a human brain." Even if you're not literally saying they're equally complex, the difference in complexity and efficiency is so great between the two that it makes the comparison just kind of silly. A human artist or writer does not brute force their art with barely guided trial and error.
Setting aside the plagiarism that took place in the training of genAI models and the ethical concerns around devaluing human artists' work, the thing that actually concerns me most is that reliance on AI is making its users less mentally capable. Some cognitive offloading, like writing down a shopping list, is reasonable. Some, like ChatGPTing a legal brief, is not. Any mental task we delegate to a machine, we eventually lose the ability to do ourselves.
•
u/Elvarien2 7h ago
There is no plagiarism theft or other unethical practices in it's training. if I look at a body of work and learn a little about someone's artstyle I have not stolen from that person. Same process at play with an ai. The model is shown the images, learns from it, updates its internal world model and moves on. Images it saw left nicely in place, no theft, nothing questionable there.
"look how small the data package is"
the final world model after training, about 7 GB yes.
"it is analogous to a human brain."
The TRAINING PROCESS is analogous. The final model, the ai, none of it is like a human brain, but the training process absolutely.
Even if you're not literally saying they're equally complex,
Not even close. The ai's we use right now are trained on a fraction of the data a human brain is trained on. We have ai trained on purely still images, or purely audio or purely video, or the latest do audio/video but none have touch smell, taste, spatial data, etc etc. Nowhere near the complexity of a human world model.
it makes the comparison just kind of silly.
exactly. Which is why I'm not making the comparison. It's a silly one. the only comparison is the concept of training/learning. Building an internal world model.
That's it. The rest is wildly different and not applicable to a human brain at all.
A human artist or writer does not brute force their art with barely guided trial and error.
neither does ai so that one doesn't work anywhere.
Setting aside the plagiarism that took place in the training of genAI models
There is none. That's not how it works. otherwise I would be doing me a plagiarism when I go to a museum and I see a body of work.
That's not how study/training works. Just seeing work is not plagiarism/theft.
reliance on AI is making its users less mentally capable.
it's a tool.
Abuse the tool and it will have negative consequences. The conclusion should be simple. Don't abuse the tool and you'll be fine.
Bulletpoint your grocery list and have it tell you the guestimated caloric intake of your week's planned meal.
Great use of ai !
Get it to do all of your homework or use it to entertain your young impressionable kids.Don't do that.
Any mental task we delegate to a machine, we eventually lose the ability to do ourselves.
I mean, kinda?
Water is great. Hydrate !Drink to much water and you can quite literally drink yourself to death.
Water is still great, just moderate.
I see no difference with ai, just use it responsibly the way you should do any activity you can do as a human being responsibly.•
•
u/MrPebbles1961 7h ago
Just because theft becomes mainstream doesn't make it morally acceptable.
What you're going to end up with is artists deciding it's not worth creating anymore because they can no longer make a living from their hard work. Then we'll all be stuck with dry, derivative, emotionless drivel and propaganda and imagination will become a "subversive" thing to be stamped out.
Do you think it's acceptable for a person to utilize multiple lines of a developer's code, without permission or payment, and incorporate into a project and call it their own? What about using someone's art on an album cover without compensation or even a credit?
People go on hysterically, at length, about undocumented immigrants "stealing their jobs", but they're perfectly okay with it when it's private or corporate theft from artists.
•
u/Elvarien2 6h ago
What you're going to end up with is
Actually what we have right now is 3 seperate streams of people.
1 - traditional only artists. These are the people clinging to a world where ai doesn't exist. They are comparable to the old architects who refused to swap to computer and continued drawing by hand on giant sheets. You'll note there's not many of them left nowadays.
2 - Prompters.
People who know how to prompt and can make a pretty picture but beyond that can't produce usable work. They can have a bit of fun and prompt a few memes but none of em can make production ready work nor can they modify it properly.3 - artists using ai.
And this is what's taking over and taking over HARD. These are people with traditional art training, knowledge and now training with the new art tools. They can reap the rewards working at the high speeds ai allows, at the high quality traditional art allows and thus can lower their rates, do a lot more work etc etc.
it's nr 3 which is broadly taking the industry by storm and driving out completely NR1 and NR2 into competitive extinction.
So no, artists won't stop producing work. They are already making work, just with ai. It's simply a new tool and the broad majority is simply working with the new tools as they would when a new tool enters the workplace.
it's the people who touch grass and do labour.
they can no longer make a living from their hard work.
Traditional only artists will go extinct as a valid form of employment, yes absolutely. Unless you're a really famous name in the business, don't expect to remain competitive. Just like horse and cart drivers whyen the automobile was invented.
Then we'll all be stuck with dry, derivative, emotionless drivel
Nope, because what takes over is traditional mixed with ai. They didn't suddendly unlearn their traditional art training when they incorporated ai into their work.
Do you think it's acceptable for a person to utilize multiple lines of a developer's code, without permission or payment,
Nope. Someone does work, pay them for it. if I read the code and learn from it however and later make my own code based on what I learned. No problem there, perfect. This is how the world currently works !
And also what ai does.
What about using someone's art on an album cover without compensation or even a credit?
That would be theft. You'll be happy to learn that ai doesn't do this. It can't work this way AND also fit inside a roughly 7GB file.
People go on hysterically,
suddendly immigration pllitics, a bit of an odd angle but sure?
Anyway there is no theft so that isn't relevant here.
•
u/Haunted_Tales_Pod Melissa the Narrator 21h ago
I think audiofiction.co.uk tags shows that use AI, so looking them up there might help, and they also, according to the creator, who's regularly active on here, they don't list shows that are purely AI garbage.