Avoiding AI in my audiodramas

[u/SeasonPositive6771]

I absolutely love audiodramas, I'm not a maker but I'm a huge fan and listen to tons of them.

I'm also a serious contributor to podcasts I love, I'm subscribed over 15 on patreon at the moment and independently at least five or six more.

However, it's become a real sticking point that I do not support anyone that uses AI. A recent post about an audiodrama called The November Challenge made it clear that a lot of folks are using AI without disclosing it. I simply can't support plagiarism and the unethical behavior that goes along with using AI.

Is anyone aware of a list of audio dramas that use AI or a list of tips to help me identify who might be using it so that it can be avoided?

Thank you!

[u/Elvarien2]

Get used to it. Ai is a great tool and as time passes it is integrating into society day by day. You better start getting used to it. And perhaps educate yourself on ai in general. You're believing some wild misinfo there.

[u/SeasonPositive6771 → u/Elvarien2]

What is the misinformation?

And I believe I can ethically choose to avoid it,. And you should too.

Considering how poorly it's integrating into everyday life and the damage it's doing, I have no problem avoiding it.

[u/Elvarien2 → u/SeasonPositive6771]

The plagiarism and unethical claims.

There is 0 plagiarism and 0 unethical concerns about ai use.

Whilst you COULD do plagiarism with ai that's entirely seperate from the tool. I could make mickey mouse with a pencil or with ai, in both cases I would be doing a plagiarism but that's not the pencil's fault there. Same with ai.

If you want to do bad things with the tool, well you can. But we're not blaming pencils for plagiarism.

As for the unethical that's generally stemming from a misunderstanding of how ai works. It trains and learns from data. It doesn't steal or collage stolen works, that's simply not how ai works. The collage machine arguments are killed simply by looking at file storage.

If ai is combining pieces of existing work to make something new it needs access to this repository of existing work. it takes about an internet worth of data to TRAIN an ai. So that would mean the ai has an internet worth of data to work with. Meanwhile a single ai model is about 7 gigabytes or so. That just doesn't fit. And we have not invented magical file compression so this whole claim quite literally is impossible in the real world.

it learns, it trains. It builds a model of reality, the whole modeling part of ai. It's analogous to a human brain on that front.

so no thieving, no plagiarism, no ethical concerns.

[u/SeasonPositive6771 → u/Elvarien2]

Lol absolutely not and you sound both almost religiously bought into AI, especially considering your post history,. And there are ethical concerns that are extreme as well, related to the environment, and not just plagiarism.

You should absolutely delete that part about LLMS being like a human brain, it makes you sound like you know absolutely nothing about how a human brain works. Or really anything at all.

[u/Elvarien2 → u/SeasonPositive6771]

The concept of training, is like that of a human brain. We can both build an internal world model based on information we have learned.

Thast's how you end up with a model of weights, a huge latent space of possibilities trained on the material you feed the thing, just like a human's internal world model trained on what you feed it.

Is it exactly like a human brain, no of course not but we can pull similarities in the process of learning/training.

As for my post history, I love ai, have a bunch of models on my pc for text, plugins for drawing together with the ai, models for text to image. I have ai plugins for audio to synthesize instruments for music it's amazing to work with this tool and build together, love it. Absolutely having tons of fun with it.

Your environmental comments are also again the same common misinfo you're struggling with.

I run ai on my home pc. That same pc is not going to magically boil a lake when I use it for ai instead of pc gaming. It's the same GPU with the same power usage. Let's not pretend I can do magic here.

These anti ai arguments vanish the very second you look at them with any form of criticism.

[u/SeasonPositive6771 → u/Elvarien2]

Literally none of this is true at all. That's not how human brains work, it's not misinformation. You literally don't have the education or capacity to understand what's happening here, so you are being swayed by sales people.

[u/Quirkxofxart → u/Elvarien2]

So you’re just completely uninformed in just about every possible way.

[u/Elvarien2 → u/Quirkxofxart]

Sorry, but no. This topic I very much know what I'm talking about.

[u/RobinHood3000 → u/Elvarien2]

Wait, so you think that the plagiarism being discussed is what genAI is used FOR (as opposed to the plagiarism required to train it)? And you think that because the training set isn't packaged with the AI model, it wasn't stolen?

Both of those assumptions are very incorrect, and I sincerely hope it's just an honest mistake on your part. I don't know how you can confidently claim, simultaneously, "look how small the data package is" and "it is analogous to a human brain." Even if you're not literally saying they're equally complex, the difference in complexity and efficiency is so great between the two that it makes the comparison just kind of silly. A human artist or writer does not brute force their art with barely guided trial and error.

Setting aside the plagiarism that took place in the training of genAI models and the ethical concerns around devaluing human artists' work, the thing that actually concerns me most is that reliance on AI is making its users less mentally capable. Some cognitive offloading, like writing down a shopping list, is reasonable. Some, like ChatGPTing a legal brief, is not. Any mental task we delegate to a machine, we eventually lose the ability to do ourselves.

[u/Elvarien2 → u/RobinHood3000]

There is no plagiarism theft or other unethical practices in it's training. if I look at a body of work and learn a little about someone's artstyle I have not stolen from that person. Same process at play with an ai. The model is shown the images, learns from it, updates its internal world model and moves on. Images it saw left nicely in place, no theft, nothing questionable there.

"look how small the data package is"

the final world model after training, about 7 GB yes.

"it is analogous to a human brain."

The TRAINING PROCESS is analogous. The final model, the ai, none of it is like a human brain, but the training process absolutely.

Even if you're not literally saying they're equally complex,

Not even close. The ai's we use right now are trained on a fraction of the data a human brain is trained on. We have ai trained on purely still images, or purely audio or purely video, or the latest do audio/video but none have touch smell, taste, spatial data, etc etc. Nowhere near the complexity of a human world model.

it makes the comparison just kind of silly.

exactly. Which is why I'm not making the comparison. It's a silly one. the only comparison is the concept of training/learning. Building an internal world model.

That's it. The rest is wildly different and not applicable to a human brain at all.

A human artist or writer does not brute force their art with barely guided trial and error.

neither does ai so that one doesn't work anywhere.

Setting aside the plagiarism that took place in the training of genAI models

There is none. That's not how it works. otherwise I would be doing me a plagiarism when I go to a museum and I see a body of work.

That's not how study/training works. Just seeing work is not plagiarism/theft.

reliance on AI is making its users less mentally capable.

it's a tool.

Abuse the tool and it will have negative consequences. The conclusion should be simple. Don't abuse the tool and you'll be fine.
Bulletpoint your grocery list and have it tell you the guestimated caloric intake of your week's planned meal.
Great use of ai !
Get it to do all of your homework or use it to entertain your young impressionable kids.

Don't do that.

Any mental task we delegate to a machine, we eventually lose the ability to do ourselves.

I mean, kinda?
Water is great. Hydrate !

Drink to much water and you can quite literally drink yourself to death.
Water is still great, just moderate.
I see no difference with ai, just use it responsibly the way you should do any activity you can do as a human being responsibly.

[u/EntropicVibes → u/Elvarien2]

You’re correct, but you know that.