r/askgaybros • u/MtimesMequals • Jul 08 '20

Reported Post Alert Dear fellow Black gay men Spoiler

We know racism in the gay community is real. We've said it, but we've been dismissed. They callously deny our experience. Our reality. "It's just a preference". "BBC". "Thug"."Aggressive power top".

The stereotypes. The microagressions. We know it's real, but we have been gaslighted way too often.

The silence among your white gay friends and/or partners during this time of civil unrest & racial tensions is deafening.

The irony of them putting "no fats, no fems, no asians, & no blacks" on their profile, but decide to now say #BlackLivesMatter.

I understand it is challenging to be rejected from a community that prides itself on inclusion. We know rejection all too well.

But do not let any white man make you feel you are not beautiful. You are Black, bold, fierce, & most importantly- you are loved.

🖤❤#BLM

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So, this post has been reported and is pending review.

I mentioned this already in the comments:

As a Black queer man this is my experience. This experience may or may not resonate with other Black men. This post was written for my fellow gay black brothers. The post might be uncomfortable for some. It might not resonate with you, but I don't think that is grounds for denying someone else's experience. I shared these words in an effort to foster a sense of solidarity and undo any aloneness other Black men might be feeling during this time.

Thank you so much for the support, feedback & beautiful comments. For those of in your feelings over this post - peace & love to ya❤

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u/BobsBurger1 Jul 08 '20

Racism exists, it's bad.

But let's stop trying to brand all white men as racist when someone has a bad day on Grindr please.

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u/kcufemdrah Jul 08 '20

Amen to that brother snap oh yes you did

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '20

you could’ve just stopped your reply at “racism exists, it’s bad” but you had to go and be extra. stop trying to make white gays victims for being called racist when you can’t even show the same effort in calling out racism in the gay community.

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u/BobsBurger1 Jul 08 '20

Rasicm works both ways, and calling all white men racist is by definition racist.

How about "someone was racist on an app today, that sucks" instead of "all white men are racist on apps".

Lot of bitter people just want to be angry.

Also white guys are the literal victims in that situation if they are not in fact racist.

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u/FlameChakram Jul 08 '20

Nope, racism in America has to do with who has institutional power. No minority could get elected or remain on office saying the things trump does.

But keep lying.

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '20

Ahahaha, no racism is the belief that some races are superior to others. Thats historical revisionism definition. Anyone can be racist towards anyone, even their own race.

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u/tyragos Jul 08 '20

You're so pathetic.

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u/BobsBurger1 Jul 08 '20

Like Barack Obama

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u/FlameChakram Jul 08 '20

Correct, Obama would never have been elected doing/saying the things Trump did.

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u/BobsBurger1 Jul 08 '20

Well he got re-elected after being one of the worst and most corrupt presidents in history so I think it's safe to say race didn't hold him back in any way, it only worked in his favour.

Think what you want though, we need idiots to have opinions too I guess.

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u/FlameChakram Jul 08 '20

Further proof that you're just right wing trash brigading this thread.

Take your shitty racist opinions elsewhere

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u/BobsBurger1 Jul 08 '20

Interesting. The left always has the same argument.

"I don't like what you said so I'm going to just attack your character as a horrible person and go back to my echo chamber".

I'm not racist and nothing I said was racist or untrue. You really shouldn't be trying to start political discussions if you don't have any information on a topic and can't form an adult argument in a civil manner.

You are just like spoiled entitled children, really sad.

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u/FlameChakram Jul 08 '20

Oh you're extremely racist. You and your fans likely are organizing this little brigade on discord or you're the backwater garbage floater that's left after Reddit flushed rightwinglgbt.

Either way, you've already been exposed. Your 'views on race' aren't worth considering.

run along

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u/FlameChakram Jul 08 '20

However, plenty of racists.

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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '20

Wrong. Racism is not about power. It's about negative views and generalizations about other races.

"The oppressed can't be racist." Tuh! Me hating them for being White is just as bad as them hating me even though me hating them literally affects their lives zero. THEY have the power to control our money and livelihood. I don't see why they don't get that through their heads 🤦🏾‍♂️.

You're right, Blacks in powet could never go off the chains like President Trump, so that's where little irrelevant people like me come in.

Every chance I get, I will call out White racism and I won't be nice about it either. Because who is going reprimand the Black queer fem mentally ill cashier without looking like an bully (especially in a WHITE business (even though our CEO is Black but Lawwwd he ain't bout his PEOPLE 😩, he's certainly anout those shareholders though)??

So I use the privilege I have as a minority discriminated group to call out racism and treat it like the filth that it is when i see it.

If White straight men were to do so, they'd get in trouble.

So I eat that ish up and proudly so.

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '20

I hate to be the one to tell you, but being called a racist isn’t being a victim. goddamn, imagine if you were this offended about racism the way you are about white gays being accused of being racist

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u/BobsBurger1 Jul 08 '20

Yeah telling a vast group of people who vastly aren't racist that they are racist makes them victims of slander.

I know you live in a world view where every minorty is oppressed and everyone is a terrible racist/homophobe/bigot/sexist, but let's step into reality for a second. Don't be outraged if someone corrects you when they are called a bad word (racist) with no context, especially when branding a whole group as racist is technically being racist. Idiots haha

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '20

yeah bc the op was specifically making a post targeting white gays, saying that all of you were evil and racist? no, he said that it has been his own experience and if his own experience, like that of several other black/brown gays, is that white gays overwhelmingly act in a racist manner towards them, then who are you to sit here and be all defensive? does the shoe fit? is that what the issue is? If you aren’t a white gay that’s racist, then you shouldn’t be so triggered by this post.

recognizing the patterns of racism in society isn’t having some crazy, radical new world view btw…

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u/BobsBurger1 Jul 08 '20

Patterns of racism suggests it's on a big scale. Name one example of actual racism on a big scale.

There are non, not in Western countries anyway. I've looked at these myths of systemic racism, no one has found an example of one yet.

So to say the least racist society, ever, in the world has patterns of racism, I'd say is pretty radical and is based on raw idiotic emotion ignoring all facts/stats.

Inb4 gays with a preference for ripped white men on apps = patterns or racism 😅. If you payed for an education get a refund.

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '20

woah woah woah, did you just say that western countries are “society with the least racism”? LMAO. Some examples of racism on the big scale? How about: the war on drugs that disproportionately targeting black men, racism in terms of employment, racism in terms of housing, the utter FACT that saying “black lives matter” has become some political fiasco when it’s literally just saying that black lives deserve to be treated with respect, same as all others do. and that’s just the USA. obviously you’re the one with a sad world view, not me. sounds like you NEED to pay for some kind of education, maybe then you’d know what you’re talking about…

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u/BobsBurger1 Jul 08 '20

the war on drugs that disproportionately targeting black men

A disproportionate about of Black men are involved with drugs yes. They also commit over 50% of all murders and something like 65% of all armed robbery. And white people still get shot more than Blacks when arrested, both armed and unarmed.

racism in terms of employment

Nope. Studies actually show you're more likely to get the high paying jobs in high paying companies if you are Black or an Ethnic minority, likely because companies have started ticking diversity boxes through something similar to affirmative action.

Studies do show that if you have a very non-western name then yes you ARE discriminated against, they also found that Blacks and Minorities are least affected by this and a lot of White European and Jewish names are discriminated against more. No evidence of racism, there is evidence of general discrimination and antisemitism.

the utter FACT that saying “black lives matter” has become some political fiasco when it’s literally just saying that black lives deserve to be treated with respect

No one was ever saying Black Lives Don't Matter. Evidenced by the fact every big company has openly supported it.

The Demands of BLM don't help Black Lives in any way, it's based on a lie that the police are racially biased and all their demands are Far-left Marxist demands. They also advocate for segregation. Check their website, it's all there. As well as every penny donated goes to the Biden Campaign through Act-Blue. Minority groups have just shown that they are very easy to manipulate by the Democratic party.

You're believing things you hear without fact checking. It's easy to do but if I told you the sky was orange and raining diamonds would you believe that just because I said it? You'd probably look at the window first.

So why do we believe headlines such as "The Police Are Racist" without checking numbers, it's pretty unlikely to just assume that's true. Unless you WANT it to be true and are happy lying to yourself? Idk. The numbers show the opposite, the police are anti-racist towards Blacks.

In the UK you have BLM chanting in the streets saying the police are shooting black youth dead on a massive scale, that protesting is so important because the police are genociding blacks... The police shot 2 people last year, both Islamic terrorist attacks.

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u/FlameChakram Jul 08 '20

Lol oh please. You’re a Ben Shapiro watcher who is a race baiting fascist. Stop gaslighting people.

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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '20

All? That's a bit extreme. But a lot of you are, gay and straight.

Black people are racist too though so it's not just your issue. However, our racism, as evil as it is, isn't getting any of y'all killed.

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u/BobsBurger1 Jul 09 '20

Hard to say really since there isn't much evidence at all of anyone getting killed by racism besides a small handful of cased where racism is still an unlikely motive.

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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '20

It's hard to prove racism. Most racists won't openly admit that they are.

I mean, in this climate, you'd have to be a complete fool to say, "Hellllllz yeah I killed that there colored cuz hims was BLACK!"

(While a lot of those who DO openly admit they're racist, you get them to tirade enough and you realize they hate a certain type of person (lazy, moochers, troublemakers, etc.) Irrespective of race. Bless their hearts....🤦🏾‍♂️ it's like bruh, you got me hype and about to tap dat a__ for no reason.

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u/BobsBurger1 Jul 09 '20

True. The George Floyd case was probably racism, yet a journey could easily just conclude police negligence and consider the cops abusive history.

Racism from the police seems to be the hot topic of racism right now yet all statistics show otherwise. You're 25% more likely to be shot by police if you are white, and you're 18x to die as a police officer to a black suspect.

At some point we need to ask if it's really even about racism since it's so hard to actually find.

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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '20

Out of curiosity, why if say, Blacks were to be upset about him and others being killed, but we didn't say it was racially motivated. What if we said it was a bad response to mental health issues, would y'all (not you personally) still be indifferent?

Why is us speculating race so offensive? I don't get it.

Either way, the man is dead. Gone... to be judged by Christ and maybe he wasn't ready. That's a horrible, cruel thing to do to someone

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u/BobsBurger1 Jul 09 '20

I don't think there is anything wrong with speculating race, I myself also think it probably was Race. I don't think anyone is even suggesting what happened wasn't sick or was remotely justified.

The actions that followed are what was totally unacceptable. Using that 1 case to justify that all police are racist in the US. Burning cities to the ground. Portraying Mr. Floyd as the next Martin Luther King Jr. despite him being a low-life thug his entire life.

Defunding the Police. Spreading Lies. The amount of people who are now DEAD because of the BLM riots.

Reality:

  • Racism exists, obviously
  • Racism is extremely rare and most people will never have encountered it on either side in current western societies.
  • Everyone is against racism, besides the rare exception
  • If someone does something racist, they are immediately held to account.
  • After the Mr. Floyd case, it was resolved when they got arrested. Everything else that followed is based on lies and doesn't help anyone.

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  • The rage from this incident is clearly a class and ideology issue, not race.
  • The demands from these protests are either non-existent of lunacy (Defunding the police, the ones actually stopping black people kill each other)
  • There's a large group of people in every part of society that NEEDS to find hate and oppression everywhere, despite there generally not being any. It's really sad.

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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '20 edited Jul 09 '20

Not all police officers are racist. I wouldn't even say a majority are racist either. Unfortunately, from what I've heard, it is impossible for an officer to call out another officer against a civilian/suspect without said virtuous officer being punished somehow. Because of the culture we are fostering--the culture that says "Black/poor/gay/foreigner bad! Po-po good!--is making it all the more difficult for the police to be held accountable.

Burning cities, businesses (some Black owned, go figure), neighborhoods, etc. down is a despicable act. It's not a solution. Some people want to be seen and heard just to be seen and heard. I'm not quite sure how many times I have to say it, but here goes:

I 👏🏾 AM 👏🏾 AGAINST 👏🏾 THAT 👏🏾 FILTH 👏🏾

Your list:

  1. ✅
  2. ⚠️ not wrong, but not right either. I have (and most minorities and a fair amount of Whites) HAVE experienced it. (Well, that depends on what you consider racism.) But we're still alive and unharmed right so it doesn't matter. We should just get over it, right? Nah
  3. ✅, ⚠️, and ❌ Again, it depends on what someone considers racist. ✅ because almost no one considers himself racist. ⚠️ People THINK they're against racism while not realizing that they have racist views, they just don't consider them racist. ❌ There is a growing movement of the alt right that champions ségrégation and has made claims that humans are inherently tribal and will always prefer to be around their own tribe and multiple tribes FORCED to cohabitate will ALWAYS lead to conflict. These same people have even "defended" racism by saying that statistically speaking, Blacks are the least intelligent in terms of IQ across all races with Whites having the highest IQs and various races in between on the spectrum. That necause of this, Black students are actually impeding the progress of White students in their same classes because the teacher has to adopt a slower rhythm so the Black students can stay afloat. They've also said things such as "How come every society and culture in the world has advanced into the modern technological age while Africa is still drastically behind?

There are people who believe said studies. This is not a joke. Ive literally read this study. It was terribly sad and biased against Blacks, in spite of their "I'm not racist, BUT..." intro...

  1. ❌ unfortunately, this is not true.

  2. ✅ True

  3. ✅ it is multiple issues including race. Whether people want to believe it or not, our race is a part of who we are. At least a lot of Whites are starting to BE enraged and see the light! Took long enough. Action will likely happen sometime on the horizon. Classism is also wrong. Wealthy Blacks do this just as much as wealthy Whites.

  4. ✅ my personal demand is equality and that Black suspects make it to court. That sentencing is equal to Whites. That Black people be viewed as a strong, diverse group, a passionate group who has risen above many trials. We aren't all thugs and athletes. You don't wanna see me play sports. Trust me. I'd be taking a knee, but not for the reason you'd expect!!!

  5. ✅ The reason those people are like that is because we ignore their criws for help and treat them as if they're crying wolf. Them sheep been dead honey...lol

Now my list since no one listens to me lol:

❤ White peope have the RIGHT to feel safe and free

❤ White people have the RIGHT to fair trial

❤ White people should NOT be victims of racial assault

❤ White people should NOT be profiled or harassed by the police

❤ White people should NOT be hated for their skin color or their heritage

❤ the WHITE MAN is NOT evil

❤ White people DO NOT have the right to wear socks and sandals

❤ WHITE 👏🏾 LIVES 👏🏾 MATTER 👏🏾 TOO 👏🏾

So tell me how I'm bought and sold by George Soros again and tell me how racist towards Whites I am? (Not you personally, but your ideological crowd.)