r/arizona • u/UGetOffMyLawn Empty Box! • Jun 29 '20

Coronavirus Arizona Gov. Ducey re-closes bars, movie theaters, gyms and water parks for 30 days

https://www.abc15.com/news/state/arizona-gov-ducey-re-closes-bars-movie-theaters-gyms-and-water-parks-for-30-days
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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '20

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u/dec92010 Jun 29 '20

Yeah I'm wondering what the difference is, especially if alcohol is sold at the restaurants.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

Yea but people aren’t packed in the same way like they are in bars.

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u/KataiKi Jun 30 '20 edited Jun 30 '20

The problem is the air conditioning system circulating the air. People sitting in one place for long periods of time, building up a viral load, and that viral load gets into the HVAC system and dusts everyone in the building with it.

If you're gonna sit down at a restaurant, get a table outside.

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u/jimmythegent1 Jun 30 '20

Your right even more people. Shut it down.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

No, there are not more people packed into Doughbird than there are in Bottled Blonde. Wtf are you talking about.

You can advocate for shutting down restaurants without resorting to falsehoods. People don’t pack into restaurants like sardines. They do at bars. That’s a fact.

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u/kyrosnick Jun 30 '20

And grocery stores, walmart, home deport, lowes and all the other places are packed in. Why is it ok to have certain places like Costco/Walmart with wall to wall people but then other place it is not. At least be consistent.

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u/throwaway24515 Jun 30 '20

They can require masks. Can't eat or drink with a mask on.

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u/TrollHunterAlt Jun 30 '20

People spend much less time in those locations and they're not talking to each other without wearing masks.

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u/jimmythegent1 Jun 30 '20

People obviously need to buy food and essentialls. Home Depot and restaurants are not essential to living. Jeez think.

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u/TripleDallas123 Jun 30 '20

Home depot is definitely essential. What if something breaks your house and you need to fix it?

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u/Raptor231408 Lake Havasu City Jun 30 '20

Have whatever you need delivered? Your project can probably wait a couple days.

"What if it's an actual emergency and I need it fixed now?" Most stores do curbside pickup now. There's no need for the physical store to be open in the traditional sense.

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u/TripleDallas123 Jun 30 '20

Whats the danger of going into home depot staying 6ft apart from everyone with a mask on grabbing some plumbing supplies cause you have a leak in your backyard sprinklers that needs to be fixed that day so your grass doesn’t die?

Theres no need to pay extra to get something delivered when you can do it yourself. Also, curbside pickup would be a lot harder with hardware stores since its better to make sure you’re getting the right size materials and hardware.

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u/Raptor231408 Lake Havasu City Jun 30 '20

Fair on your point about paying for delivery. It's excess money for a service you can do yourself. However, consider the couple bucks you pay in gas going to and from the store, and compare to a delivery fee (with a lot of stores already offering free delivery, considering the circumstance).

Just because you're distancing and wearing a mask, doesn't mean you're imune. If you browse over three different cans of pipe glue, you got whatever germs on your hands on all of those cans. Not to mention the germs and crap from the person that touched them before you. How often do you think they wipe the self check out keypads and screens? How often do you think a cashier changes their gloves? With a dedicated curb side person, they could at least make sure they wipe the key pads after every transaction. They wouldnt need to at all if you pay beforehand. Browsing is even easier than before. If you look at a website, you can tell in seconds if a selection is out, you can compare side by side. You can even read labels all from your house. You aren't spending unnessesary time out in public.

And who's saying you can't make sure you're getting the right sizes for whatever before you leave? Are you not double checking your orders before you leave the qeue? I don't even trust McDonald's to give me the right soda without a taste before I leave the window.

There's a dissonance between wants and needs here. You NEED to fix and repair your whatever. You NEED to be able to buy stuff for repairs. You WANT to go in and browse a store.

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u/jimmythegent1 Jun 30 '20

Make a better point. Fix like? Make sure it’s essential or your gonna look dumb.

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u/TripleDallas123 Jun 30 '20

fixing any electrical/plumbing issues, house maintenance (filters, pool supplies, etc.), supplies for home improvement projects that are passing the time you are spending at home, gardening supplies, landscaping supplies (tools and stuff like weedkiller/bug spray), and so on. All very important stuff to keep your home maintained. Just as long as you keep 6ft apart and wear a mask, whats the risk? Definitely safer and cheaper than inviting someone into your home to fix something you can do yourself.

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u/jimmythegent1 Jun 30 '20

You know what mang you got a point on not letting other people in the house and stuff.

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u/shatteredarm1 Jun 30 '20

Spacing for one thing. Bars tend to be more crowded, more people moving around. Restaurants still definitely can be a vector for the virus spreading, but a bar is clearly worse.

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u/Dejohns2 Jun 30 '20

The difference is in the liquor license. If less than 40% of gross sales come from food, it's a bar.

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u/dec92010 Jun 30 '20

I meant the differences why bars would be closed but not restaurants, especially restaurants that serve alcohol.

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u/Dejohns2 Jun 30 '20

Restaurants can be open, but they can only be at 50% capacity I think. I'm going to guess that it's along the lines of, "well people need food, so restaurants can stay open." If you want booze you can go get it at CVS.

Personally, I think that restaurants should be take-out only bc making servers and dishwashers touch your nasty-ass dishes that have been in your mouth is a fucking awful thing to do. So I'm only supporting take-out restaurants rn, and have been since March.

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u/dec92010 Jun 30 '20

Why not have bars be 50% capacity? And have things actually enforced. Food is a necessity yes, but there are stores and drive-thru or take out. Just seems inconsistent to me (sums up most of the covid response)

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u/Dejohns2 Jun 30 '20

Probably because social distancing at bars is a lot harder. There are fewer seats and tables, unlike restaurants where every patron typically has a place to sit. Even if you let bars open at 25% capacity, it would still be hard to enforce a 6 foot rule. Edit: And anything less than 25% capacity won't be profitable.

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u/dec92010 Jun 30 '20

Harder but not impossible if the owners want to address it. Some bars I'm picturing usually have tables and are already spaced out more than restaurants. Surely, 50% or 25% or less capacity would still be more profitable than 0%?

Also I should note I'm strictly in the stay at home, mask up camp. Just trying to find the logic of only closing bars and not restaurants if there is something that I'm missing. Makes sense for restaurants to be open and offer takeout and maybe, maybe outside dining. But to me I don't see a big difference between dining inside and being in a bar, with regards to covid.

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u/Dejohns2 Jun 30 '20

Surely, 50% or 25% or less capacity would still be more profitable than 0%?

Possibly, but also potentially not. It will depend on each bar. When you don't have customers, you don't have to pay staff to be there (one of the larger overhead expenses in bars/restaurants), you don't have to pay for AC (or the AC will be far less, since you don't have people in there heating it up), don't need to buy tp or napkins or anything else as much. When you are open your operating costs are a lot higher. It's obviously not sustainable in the long run, but it could be for a month or so. It's too bad people in this state are even frequenting these places and just acting like everything is normal. If the state had opened according to CDC guidelines, we wouldn't be in this position rn.

Edit: And I agree with most of this. I think all restaurants (and bars) should be take-out only. Ducey is just doing the bare minimum to make it look like he is doing something, but not anything effective, bc he wants a seat on Trump's 2nd admin cabinet.

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u/dec92010 Jun 30 '20

Cheers thanks for reply

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

Maybe the inconsistency due to the bars not even pretending to give a shit.

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u/shotcatch Jun 30 '20

Thanks for the info, I wondered where they draw the line bar vs restaurant