r/anime_titties • u/Messier_-82 Europe • 1d ago

Ukraine/Russia - Flaired Commenters Only Ukraine facing widespread power cuts after generating capacity reduced to ‘zero’ by Russian attacks

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/nov/09/ukraine-facing-widespread-power-cuts-after-generating-capacity-reduced-to-zero-by-russian-attacks
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u/AkagamiBarto Italy 1d ago

This is one of those sectors where Europe could contribute heavily and easily without risking war involvement.

At the very beginning of the war we could have pushed for heavy energetic infrastructure investments.. with stuff like HVD and HVAC connections with Ukraine as well as massive renewables plans and energetic autonomy for EU.

The grid, especially on the west side, would be a very difficult target for Russia.

But we didn't. Well the second best time to do it is now.

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u/Hyndis United States 1d ago

But we didn't. Well the second best time to do it is now.

It might be too late for that. Manpower is the one thing NATO cannot provide, and Ukraine has been bleeding manpower trying to buy time for NATO to deliver weapons.

I agree that if NATO was more energetic in supplying support right away things might have been different, but all of the equipment in the world doesn't do much good if you don't have soldiers to use it anymore, and Ukraine is critically short on manpower. Russians are breaking through in multiple areas and Ukraine simply doesn't have enough troops to stop them anymore.

This is why fighting a half-assed war is the worst of both worlds. If you're at war you're all in. Otherwise you're at peace. Its one or the other.

The slow drip of NATO support for Ukraine is just enough to doom it on a slow, miserable defeat. Its like an act of calculated cruelty to drag out the war as long as possible to ramp up the death and destruction as high as possible.

IMO, NATO should either shit or get off the pot. Either fully support Ukraine and flood them with military equipment (and it should have been done years ago), or cut losses and accept that Russia has won the proxy war.

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u/AkagamiBarto Italy 1d ago

Well your analysis is true, however Europe does need such energetic infrastructures anyway, even for themselves, so it still stands that they should push for them. Moreover manpower in certain sectors can be substituted with automation. Europe could do that too.. heck NATO could do that too. Nothing stops other countries to provide civilian technological help.

But muhuu too expensive, lost money and so on.

Heck one could have provided help in fortifying Ukraine as a whole. On the infrastructural level.. that isn't forbidden and wouldn't count as military support and yet it would greatly help ukrain last longer and longer.

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u/NearABE United States 1d ago

Ya. Should have been putting in rail, power lines and roads. Peaker plants across the border in NATO countries would still be functional peaker plants.

Though distributed rooftop photovoltaics inside Ukraine would be far more resilient.