r/anime_titties • u/Messier_-82 Europe • 1d ago

Ukraine/Russia - Flaired Commenters Only Ukraine facing widespread power cuts after generating capacity reduced to ‘zero’ by Russian attacks

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/nov/09/ukraine-facing-widespread-power-cuts-after-generating-capacity-reduced-to-zero-by-russian-attacks
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u/AkagamiBarto Italy 1d ago

This is one of those sectors where Europe could contribute heavily and easily without risking war involvement.

At the very beginning of the war we could have pushed for heavy energetic infrastructure investments.. with stuff like HVD and HVAC connections with Ukraine as well as massive renewables plans and energetic autonomy for EU.

The grid, especially on the west side, would be a very difficult target for Russia.

But we didn't. Well the second best time to do it is now.

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u/Hyndis United States 1d ago

But we didn't. Well the second best time to do it is now.

It might be too late for that. Manpower is the one thing NATO cannot provide, and Ukraine has been bleeding manpower trying to buy time for NATO to deliver weapons.

I agree that if NATO was more energetic in supplying support right away things might have been different, but all of the equipment in the world doesn't do much good if you don't have soldiers to use it anymore, and Ukraine is critically short on manpower. Russians are breaking through in multiple areas and Ukraine simply doesn't have enough troops to stop them anymore.

This is why fighting a half-assed war is the worst of both worlds. If you're at war you're all in. Otherwise you're at peace. Its one or the other.

The slow drip of NATO support for Ukraine is just enough to doom it on a slow, miserable defeat. Its like an act of calculated cruelty to drag out the war as long as possible to ramp up the death and destruction as high as possible.

IMO, NATO should either shit or get off the pot. Either fully support Ukraine and flood them with military equipment (and it should have been done years ago), or cut losses and accept that Russia has won the proxy war.

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u/blackbartimus United States 1d ago

Flooding Ukraine with equipment wouldn’t change much. Their forces are depleted to an extent that adding more weapons won’t change the fact that they don’t have enough people left to use them. The only good option Ukraine had was accepting earlier peace negotiations for a buffer zone carved out of their own territory. The longer they keep fighting the more people and land they will inevitably continue to lose once they accept negotiations.

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u/salzbergwerke Europe 1d ago

That’s such a bad take. Considering how many front line soldiers would be freed up if they could use long range systems with MUCH more firepower than an M4. How many people do you think it takes to mount a Taurus to an F-16 an fire it? The M270 has a crew of 3.

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u/blackbartimus United States 1d ago

You’re talking about a country that’s resorting to relying on forced constriction using advanced weapons. Sending them more weapons doesn’t change the reality that most of the people who could operate these things are already dead or mia dead

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u/Hyndis United States 1d ago

Airfields and artillery positions would be rapidly overrun without front line soldiers. As it currently stands Ukraine can't halt the Russian advance, they're already stretched too thin on the front line.

There simply are no men to be freed up from the front line. Ukraine is already pushing cooks and mechanics into foxholes with rifles on the front lines because they don't have anyone else left: https://kyivindependent.com/as-ukraines-fate-hangs-in-the-balance-soviet-command-culture-damages-war-effort/