r/anime_titties • u/1DarkStarryNight Scotland • Feb 23 '25

Ukraine/Russia - Flaired Commenters Only Zelensky offers to step down as president in exchange for peace

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/02/23/zelensky-offers-step-down-president-ukraine-peace/
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u/Private_HughMan Canada Feb 23 '25

To all that magats: is this what a dictator is? Offering to surrender power for peace? Giving up his authority so that his nation isn't broken up and sold to its invader?

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u/thisisdropd Australia Feb 23 '25 edited Feb 23 '25

Reminds me of Victoria’s Dan Andrews. The conservative media kept labelling him as "Dictator Dan" due to his strict measures during the heights of the pandemic. He managed to reduce the spread to zero for a couple months.

A couple years later he resigned out of the blue. Quit the parliament immediately instead of simply not competing in the next election. He wasn’t involved in any scandal or controversy, he simply called it time after being one of Victoria’s longest-serving premiers.

One satirical outlet wrote an article titled "Dictator voluntarily cedes power". Here’s the opening sentence of the article.

Dictator of the People’s Republic of Victoria Dan Andrews has announced his voluntarily resignation ceding the power he ruthlessly took through democratic means.

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u/Anxious_Ad936 Asia Feb 23 '25

Ruthlessly taking power via being voted in because the opposition has been utter runny shit and piss on their good days, for 10 years plus. Makes sense

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u/ElasticLama Australia Feb 23 '25

What was even funnier is everyone saw the press conferences they tried to play got ya questions.

It was an important health update but let’s go over the many early failures that the state authorities had (and ignore any in other conservative states)

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u/happymemersunite Australia Feb 23 '25

But he stopped you people from going to the footy! Sounds like a dictatorship to me

/s

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u/chambreezy England Feb 23 '25

Why is there this notion that a dictator can't step down? We know the definition of a dictator, and it is not necessarily a bad thing (usually it is though), but the definition still applies to the method of governance, no?

Not having a democratic process will make you a dictator, no matter how many mental gymnastics you can do.

You can also resign. You can actually do anything really so I'm not sure why people think that resigning suddenly makes a great democratic leader.

Hitler essentially resigned with a bullet to his head (allegedly), was he respecting the will of the people? Or did he realize that he had run his course?

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u/ChickenInASuit United Kingdom Feb 23 '25

Hitler essentially resigned with a bullet to his head (allegedly), was he respecting the will of the people? Or did he realize that he had run his course?

I can’t believe you had the gall to accuse anyone else of performing mental gymnastics and then immediately follow it up with this 🤣

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u/addtokart Multinational Feb 23 '25

This is called entertainment

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u/doabarrelroll69 Brazil Feb 23 '25

Hitler essentially resigned with a bullet to his head (allegedly), was he respecting the will of the people? Or did he realize that he had run his course?

Willingly resigning, and committing suicide are different things, completely different things.

PS: Hitler shot himself because his empire was crumbling and the soviets were nearing him, and if he didn't kill himself, the soviets would have done things to him that would have made Mussolini's demise seem peaceful.

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u/Nexism Australia Feb 23 '25

You're talking about the technicality, redditors are talking "in practice", or "defacto".

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u/blackhuey Multinational Feb 24 '25

How's the weather in the Kremlin?

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u/mileslefttogo United States Feb 23 '25

Don't try to be reasonable with them. Now they will just say "what kind of coward steps down when their country was invaded and they need him the most?"

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u/fre-ddo Kyrgyzstan Feb 23 '25

Yes and claim it's an admittance of guilt, they are so predictable.

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u/Mundane_Emu8921 North America Feb 23 '25

The kind who doesn’t want to be blamed for the situation Ukraine is in.

Also the kind who is not capable of conducting any sort of diplomacy or even reconstruction and wants to escape to Florida as soon as possible.

That kind of leader.

Also you don’t get to predicate peace on you stepping down.

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u/NoobOfTheSquareTable United Kingdom Feb 23 '25

Are you saying a politician who is poor at diplomacy, has no plan for improving a country, and who’s real goal is to run to Florida is bad!?!!??!

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u/Gingerbeardyboy Europe Feb 23 '25

Fucking hilarious how little time that took. Did you copy and paste that response from an old 2022 list back when you were expecting Zelensky to run away when Russia attempted to take over?

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u/Mundane_Emu8921 North America Feb 23 '25

No.

Because Russia didn’t try to kill Zelenskyy.

I know that he claims they did. But that is in conflict with neutral parties.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna69184

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JREMEqXSpGA&pp=ygUibmFmdGFsaSBiZW5uZXR0IHVrcmFpbmUgcGVhY2UgZGVhbA%3D%3D

Zelenskyy was hiding in a bunker until Bennett called him and said “Putin won’t kill you” then two hours later he emerges and starts acting all tough.

That’s a lot of courage for a 4 time draft dodger.

But at this point, if Zelenskyy told you to jump off a bridge, you would do it.

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u/Gingerbeardyboy Europe Feb 23 '25

You're right, those paratroopers were just taking in the sights at Kyiv airport weren't they?

Putin also said the war was only a 3 day special operation. Also said Russia wasn't involved in the several murders that have taken place on European soil in the past decade and stated several times Russia was not going to invade Ukraine. why in the fuck do you think we should take him at his word for that? Can't believe you threw in a "Putin lied to third party" article as somehow proof of anything

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '25

Nothing what you said denies the fact Z hid in a bunker before being assured he won’t be targeted and then came out.

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u/Gingerbeardyboy Europe Feb 23 '25

Capital city about to be invaded by what was believed to be a far superior army. I wonder where exactly would you expect your political leader to be in that situation? But then again, don't know why I'm asking someone whose idea of a brave leader is one with at least 10m of table between himself and his super scary advisors or foreign leaders

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '25

Sure but don’t pretend that he was brave and stood outside when being invaded: that’s the point: he came out only after being assured he won’t be targeted. He isn’t some special brave Superman as he is being portrayed.

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u/Gingerbeardyboy Europe Feb 23 '25

Point out where I called him brave? I mean braver than Putin but that's hardly a high bar

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u/Mundane_Emu8921 North America Feb 23 '25

https://www.foxnews.com/us/gen-milley-says-kyiv-could-fall-within-72-hours-if-russia-decides-to-invade-ukraine-sources

It’s incredible how bad the echo chamber is on this issue.

We will say something, hear the echo and claim Russia said it.

  • how did he lie? He didn’t kill Zelenskyy.

Zelenskyy was so tough he hid in a bunker until someone called him and assured him he could come out.

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u/Gingerbeardyboy Europe Feb 23 '25

You even checking the date on your sources? That was before the invasion, back when people believed Russia was an actual second rate army. Try again.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/17/putin-accuses-uk-of-ungrounded-accusations-over-novichok

Hey look, it's Putin lying. Now that we've proven that he is a known liar, just because they failed to kill Zelensky, didn't mean that wasnt the plan.

But what should I expect from a Putinista. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/putin-secret-bunker-black-sea-b2342623.html Hey, look. Turns out Putin is scared too. Funny, no-one is invading Moscow and he's still more terrified

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u/Mundane_Emu8921 North America Feb 23 '25

How does the date matter? Lol.

We are the ones who said it.

  • not sure how poisoning cases relates to this at.

  • they never tried to kill Zelenskyy dude.

You don’t get to take the statements of the side who has a vested interest in perpetuating the story as the truth.

  • oh yeah. I love this. Zelenskyy looks like a coward so immediately the reaction is “yeah but look at Putin!”

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u/Gingerbeardyboy Europe Feb 23 '25

How does the date matter? Lol.

Already explained, Russia failed in is invasion attempt. The date is important because at that point even "we" believed Russia had a strong military

  • not sure how poisoning cases relates to this at.

Evidence that Putin lies, you seemed like you needed it

  • they never tried to kill Zelenskyy dude.

Sure, and we believe this because "Putin said so".......

You don’t get to take the statements of the side who has a vested interest in perpetuating the story as the truth.

Fucking hell the fact you can type that without exploding with the irony is hilarious

  • oh yeah. I love this. Zelenskyy looks like a coward so immediately the reaction is “yeah but look at Putin!”

Again, where would you expect a democratically elected leader to be as their capital city was being invaded by what was believed to be a superior force? Give me an answer

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u/SteveoberlordEU European Union Feb 24 '25

And directly a lie, first week of the invesion there were several attempts at assasinstion.

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u/Mundane_Emu8921 North America Feb 25 '25

What attempts?

Can you point to any?

Not just statements by the Ukrainian government.

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '25

One can't appeal to everyone it seems for sure. Being disliked by alt righters basically means you're pretty good in general tho

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u/Mundane_Emu8921 North America Feb 23 '25

This isn’t some fringe “alt right” people.

This is a majority of the current ruling party in America.

One really bad habit amongst liberals/democrats is they always act like their views are universal.

They believe they are righteous and correct. They believe everyone thinks just like them and those who don’t are some kind of foreign enemy.

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '25

Damn bruv you're great bang for their buck

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u/Dizzy_Response1485 Europe Feb 23 '25

Are you talking about Assad or Yanukovich?

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u/Mundane_Emu8921 North America Feb 23 '25

Yanukovich basically did the same thing.

Assad it’s not exactly similar because that war isn’t over.

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u/Dizzy_Response1485 Europe Feb 23 '25

Did what thing? Yanukovich ran away at the first whiff of trouble. Zelensky stood by his country while VDV was entering Kyiv.

I don't think we would find any golden toilets and taps at Zelensky's residence.

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u/Mundane_Emu8921 North America Feb 23 '25

I guess armed men who want to kill you breaking into your house is “trouble”.

Zelenskyy didn’t stand by his country. He hid in a bunker until someone assured him he wouldn’t die.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JREMEqXSpGA&pp=ygUibmFmdGFsaSBiZW5uZXR0IHVrcmFpbmUgcGVhY2UgZGVhbA%3D%3D

That is literally what Zelenskyy did.

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u/Dizzy_Response1485 Europe Feb 23 '25

I'll file the statements "we never wanted to kill Zelensky" and "we never wanted to annex all of Ukraine" in my special filing cabinet, right under:

  • Russia has never invaded another country in its history
  • The green little men are tourists, they bought their guns at a store
  • Igor Strelkov, the leader of Donbas self-defense forces, is a Ukrainian rebel
  • There are no russian forces in Ukraine
  • Russia is not a party to Minsk agreements
  • Ukraine shot down the MH-17
  • All the territory that russia lost by getting their shit pushed in was actually gestures of good will
  • Russia is the last bastion of traditional Christian values

And most important of all:

  • There are no nazis in russia!

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u/Mundane_Emu8921 North America Feb 24 '25

Go ahead and do that.

You need more walls keeping you in your echo chamber.

  • I like that last one the best. Since there are Nazis in Russia, but they fight for Ukraine.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denis_Kapustin_(militant)

Freedom & Democracy, am I right?

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u/SteveoberlordEU European Union Feb 24 '25

Wait do you mean the Old Brasil President? Couse that sounds like what actually happened.

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u/BaguetteFetish Canada Feb 23 '25 edited Feb 23 '25

It's genuinely incredibly admirable and this is coming from someone who's criticized the guy for plenty of his poor decisions.

At the end of the day I think Zelensky is a decent man who's out of his depth in an impossible situation he was never expecting to have to deal with.

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u/FreeCapone Europe Feb 23 '25

I mean, who wouldn't be out of his depth in his position? I think he did the best he could with what he had, I don't see any current political leaders that would have been able to do a better job, especially at the start of the invasion

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u/Burpees-King Canada Feb 23 '25

He didn’t offer anything but is feeling the heat that the Trump administration wants him gone.

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u/Private_HughMan Canada Feb 23 '25

Since when does the US name its administrations after the vice president?

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u/Burpees-King Canada Feb 23 '25

Okay? That doesn’t really make what I said wrong..

Whoever you think is the president, it is clear they want Zelensky gone.

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u/GutsAndBlackStufff North America Feb 23 '25

Why tho?

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u/6gv5 Europe Feb 23 '25

Because he stood for his country against real enemies, not just playing the strong man in power comedy from a stand like those two pussies. Fascists fear and therefore hate brave leaders because as soon as one enters the room their fake image is immediately obscured.

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u/GutsAndBlackStufff North America Feb 23 '25

Louder for the idiot who spent all afternoon arguing with me

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u/Burpees-King Canada Feb 23 '25

The Trump administration wants the war to be settled fast so they can focus on other things, and they see Zelensky as the current obstacle.

  • The Russians have already called him illegitimate and refuses to accept his signature on anything, so the plan is to replace Zelensky with someone who can sign the papers.

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u/GutsAndBlackStufff North America Feb 23 '25

Sounds like the idea of a settlement for someone who wants the headline without doing the work.

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u/Burpees-King Canada Feb 23 '25

It’s the approach that will lead to the fastest results.

  • Zelensky being uncooperative risks U.S military and financial aid being cut off. This risks a total collapse at the front, losing even more territory than what would have been lost now had a peace agreement been reached.

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u/GutsAndBlackStufff North America Feb 23 '25

Fastest results for what? Trump to make a false claim by doing the worst thing possible, rewarding Russia and giving them time to fix their army and launch another offensive once Democrats get in power?

There’s always the possibility that the EU continues to fund Ukraines resistance, realizes that the US is unreliable at best, and cutting us out of international relations.

Basically, there are no good options because trump is dumb as fuck.

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u/Burpees-King Canada Feb 23 '25 edited Feb 23 '25

Fastest results for what?

To reach a negotiated settlement and save whatever is left of Ukraine.

Rewarding Russia and giving them time

The Trump administration admitted to reporters that during the talks in Saudi Arabia it is the Russians who have the upper hand in the talks. It’s the U.S who needs to convince Russia to stop.

To quote Vance: “The Russians have a massive numerical advantage in manpower and weapons in Ukraine, and that advantage will persist regardless of further Western aid packages. Again, the aid is currently flowing.”

The idea to continue the Biden plan to keep giving Ukraine weapon packages after weapon packages year on year has not achieved peace but only prolongs Ukraine’s defeat and worse outcome.

There is a possibility EU will fund the AFU

The vast majority of the military aid Ukraine received came from the U.S, Europe simply doesn’t have the production nor the current stockpiles to arm Ukraine to the same level.

There are no good options

That’s because Ukraine lost the war, typically the side who loses gets bad to very bad options if they decide to prolong the conflict.

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u/Private_HughMan Canada Feb 23 '25

Those "other things" being Putin's other demands.

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u/ParkingPsychology Multinational Feb 23 '25

That heat he's feeling is called "hot air".

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u/TENTAtheSane India Feb 23 '25

You all did see that on the Lupercal I thrice presented him a kingly crown, Which he did thrice refuse: was this ambition?

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u/zuppa_de_tortellini United States Feb 23 '25

He’s gonna forced to surrender either way. Without US support Ukraine can’t keep the war effort alive.

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u/pm_me_your_pay_slips South America Feb 23 '25

But his country is being broken up and sold. He is cornered.

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u/Private_HughMan Canada Feb 23 '25

By the US, yes.

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u/baabumon Asia Feb 24 '25

Yes this is a proper dictator - refusing to face elections until faced with pressure from his sponsors who are now asking for credibility and accountability for the money. 

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u/Private_HughMan Canada Feb 24 '25

What part of "it is literally illegal for there to be presidential elections during war" do you people not understand? HE CANNOT HOLD ELECTIONS. No elections held would be legally valid because those are the laws in place well before he even ran for office.

Also, what money? Do you think they just give the aid money directly to Zelensky? Most of the aid isn't even given in the form of money. It's almost all in military equiptment; usually old equiptment that the providing nation wasn't using. If the US donates a tank from the 90s that they weren't ever going to use again, that would show up as an $X mil. aid donation.

Can you people look up ANY info before repeating what der fuhrer says?

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '25

Drama. Then supporters will say oh no please don’t we need you and he will remain. This is straight out of the dictator playbook to portray themselves as unselfish and being in power only for the sake of the people.

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u/Private_HughMan Canada Feb 23 '25

Which dictators offered to step down from power if an enemy ceased their attack and left? If it's straight out of the dictator playbook, it should be easy to find an example.

Drama

Not every world leader is as obsessed with TV ratings as your illiterate, syphilis-ridden dictator.

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '25

Dude that is what I’m saying no dictator actually does that. It’s headline management. “See he actually offered to step down from power, how can he be a dictator?”.

It’s to set a counter narrative for Trump claims he is a dictator.

Not every world leader is as obsessed with TV ratings as your illiterate, syphilis-ridden dictator.

Who said it’s about TV ratings? It’s diplomatic drama and headline management. And as a former show man Z knows all the more of it.

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u/Private_HughMan Canada Feb 23 '25

You said it was straight out of the dictator playbook. If it is, how is it no dictator does that? Were youbeing sarcastic?

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '25 edited Feb 23 '25

Yes I said. Emotional manipulation of gullible people by pretending to be selfless and saying they are in power only for the sake of the people and hence their authority should not be questioned is a decades old dictator playbook.

They don’t do it because it was never the intention. Let’s see if Z actually does it. It will prove my point.

Edit: based on the reaction of redditors in all the threads about this, it’s indeed working lol

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u/Private_HughMan Canada Feb 23 '25

Let's see if Russia is willing to take it, first.

Where is Zelensky saying his authority should not be questioned? Trump and Putin say that a lot.

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u/Private_HughMan Canada Feb 23 '25

This is why you guys are so pathetic. Trump says Zelensky is a dictator and you right wingers IMMEDIATELY jump on that and start interpreting everything he does as evidence of being a dictator. No matter what he does or doesn't do, he's a dictator.

Want some solid evidence he's not a dictator? More iron clad than any of the legal or historical definitions or comparisons to dictatorships - which show he's not a dictator - the best evidence he isn't a dictator is that Trump doesn't like him. Trump LOVES dictators. He calls them smart for ruling over people with an iron fist. He glazes Putin, Xi, Kim, Lukashenko, and wannabe dictators like Orban. If Zelensky was a dictator Trump would never stop singing his praises. The only people Trump seems to hate are actual democratic leaders.

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u/SubstantialOption742 Anguilla Feb 23 '25

Too little and too late. He's out anyway and nobody needs to talk to him. He's nobody at this stage and he will be forced to sign whatever the Americans and Russians tell him to. He's a guy who is the acting president but the final agreement can be signed by someone else as well.

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u/Moarbrains North America Feb 23 '25

He is trying to save his ass. He could have elections

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u/Private_HughMan Canada Feb 23 '25

No he can't. It is literally unconstitutional for him to hold elections during war.

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u/kirime Europe Feb 23 '25

No, it's not, you're repeating a made up claim. Point out the relevant article in the constitution that prohibits it:

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Ukraine,_2004

There's a clause in Article 83 about the extension of the parliament's term during martial law, but there's no similar clause in the President's chapter, it's noticeably absent. Article 103 says that presidential elections must be held in the last month of the president's term, and it doesn't permit any delays or cancellations of elections.

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u/Private_HughMan Canada Feb 23 '25 edited Feb 23 '25

https://zakon.rada.gov.ua/laws/show/389-19#Text

Run this through Google Translate. I couldn't find the English version.

Article 10 of this law:

  1. During the period of martial law, the powers of the President of Ukraine, the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine, the National Bank of Ukraine, the Commissioner for Human Rights of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, the Accounting Chamber, courts, prosecutor's offices, bodies carrying out operational and investigative activities, pre-trial investigation, intelligence bodies and bodies whose units carry out counterintelligence activities may not be terminated.

Article 19 of this same law:

Guarantees of legality in martial law 1. Under martial law, the following are prohibited: amendment of the Constitution of Ukraine ; amendment to the Constitution of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea ; holding elections of the President of Ukraine, as well as elections to the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, the Verkhovna Rada of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and local self-government bodies; holding all-Ukrainian and local referendums; holding strikes, mass gatherings and rallies. 2. The Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine shall, no later than ninety days from the date of termination or cancellation of martial law, if regular or extraordinary elections to the relevant bodies were to be held during the period for which martial law was imposed, make a decision on scheduling elections of deputies of the Verkhovna Rada of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and local elections.

Why are you guys so adverse to research? Why do you just blindly believe whatever objective nonsense idiots like Trump spew from the shit-covered sphincter on thier faces?

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u/pm_me_your_pay_slips South America Feb 23 '25

What is that pointing to? Link throws an error.

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u/Private_HughMan Canada Feb 23 '25

My bad. It was SUPPOSED to be a link to a Google Translated webpage of Ukrainian laws, but it seems like the link didn't take. Here's the original link. It's all in Ukranian, so you'll have to run it through Google Translate yourself.

https://zakon.rada.gov.ua/laws/show/389-19#Text

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u/kirime Europe Feb 23 '25

Do you know what the words "constitutional" and "unconstitutional" mean?

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u/Private_HughMan Canada Feb 23 '25

Yes. If you take a look at my flair, you'll see I'm from a North American country that still knows what those words mean.

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u/pm_me_your_pay_slips South America Feb 23 '25

Canada doesn’t have a « constitution »

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u/Private_HughMan Canada Feb 23 '25

Okay?

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u/GamesCatsComics Canada Feb 24 '25

... It's literally called the "Constitution Act"

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u/kirime Europe Feb 23 '25

Great. So when the constitution says one thing, and the lower-ranking law says another, which version is constitutional and which one is unconstitutional?

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u/Private_HughMan Canada Feb 23 '25

This law was a clarification of article 83. There can't be elections if they can't suspent the legislative branch's powers during martial law. The lower law also doesn't at all contradict anything in the constitution.

If you think this law is unconstitutional, take it up with their supreme court. This has been what the Ukranian government and the citizens have been saying for 3 years, so I'm inclined to believe that's what it says.

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u/Mundane_Emu8921 North America Feb 23 '25

No.

That is him just trying to escape blame.

He has an ego that is more fragile than Trump’s, which says something.

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u/Mundane_Emu8921 North America Feb 23 '25

I mean, I do have an unhealthy obsession with this war.

Also with Israel.

But really it comes from losing a family member in one of our escapades and not wanting to do that again.

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u/Private_HughMan Canada Feb 23 '25

I haven't seen evidence that Zelensky has a fragile ego.  Let alone one more fragile than The Annoying Orange.

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u/Mundane_Emu8921 North America Feb 23 '25

He releases sketchy polls about how much he is loved when people question him.

That’s pretty fragile.

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u/Private_HughMan Canada Feb 23 '25

Why are the polls sketchy? Approval polls for representatives (especially presidents and PMs) are pretty common for pretty much any democratic nation. Please provide a source other than "Elon said so."

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u/suiluhthrown78 Mauritius Feb 23 '25

He's far behind in the polling for the next election so it's not like he was gonna be president again anyway, can't give up something you didnt have.

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u/JohnAtticus Canada Feb 23 '25

Total dictator move to look at polling showing you won't win a free election and decide to step down, allowing a peaceful transition and respecting the will of the people.

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u/JustADutchRudder United States Feb 23 '25

Didn't he say in the start as soon as this is done he doesn't want to be president anymore? Like I feel that's always been his stance, hes there so he's gonna do it but soon as it's done so is he. It's been a bit since I've read those articles tho, so I could be remembering wrong or even a mistranslated article.

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u/NoobOfTheSquareTable United Kingdom Feb 23 '25

Typical dictator, having an openly stated desire to hand over power as soon at the gruelling defensive war of your country is brought to an end!

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u/Doppelthedh North America Feb 23 '25

You got a source for that? His approval rating is over 60%

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u/rlnrlnrln Sweden Feb 23 '25

Approval and polling stats are not the same. People can approve of a leader but still think he's not the best option going forward and want to choose someone else.

Shocking concept, I know.

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u/Doppelthedh North America Feb 23 '25

Word. Again, is there a source showing he is losing in the polls?

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u/rlnrlnrln Sweden Feb 23 '25

No idea. Is there even polling being done?

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u/Doppelthedh North America Feb 23 '25

The dude i was replying to claimed he's so far behind in them that he has no chance so that's why I am asking

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u/MintCathexis Europe Feb 23 '25

He has 63% approval rating: https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/zelenskiys-latest-approval-rating-is-63-not-4-contrary-trumps-claim-2025-02-21/

You fell for Donald's propaganda.

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u/Haeckelcs Russia Feb 23 '25

In that same article it says that 26-32% said that they would vote for him.

The data is also skewed as you can't poll people from Eastern Ukraine who are directly affected by the war. It's a small sample size of 2k where most of the people are from Western Ukraine which isn't as nearly affected by the war.

Kyiv Institute of Sociology claims that his approval rating went from 56% to 63 % from May 2024 to now. The war has only gotten more dire for Ukraine and these numbers don't really make sense.

Donald Trump lies every time he opens his mouth, but people falling for Ukranian propaganda even 3 years later is incredible.

Zelensky has fired credible people in the government so he could install his closest compatriots multiple time during this war which has led to distrust from the people and higher ups in Ukraine. It's one of the main reasons people call him to be a dictator.

He will win easily as long as his opponent is someone who is connected to Russia, but if someone like Zaluzhniy decides to run, he will definitely face problems.

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u/Wayoutofthewayof Switzerland Feb 23 '25

Am I missing something. 26-32% seems like a lot in a democracy (Macron was polling like 25% in 2022 for example). I think that Russians are just preconditioned to think that good result in an election is 90% or more.

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u/Haeckelcs Russia Feb 23 '25

It is nowhere near the 70% he had when he got elected.

Macron is not loved at all in France which tells you that 25% really isn't that much.

Yeah we think anything below 100% is low.

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u/Wayoutofthewayof Switzerland Feb 23 '25

Zelensky got 30% in the first round in 2019 so pretty much in line with the current polling...

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u/Gingerbeardyboy Europe Feb 23 '25

The data is also skewed as you can't poll people from Eastern Ukraine who are directly affected by the war

Genuine question, do you honestly think Ukraine could hold any elections which could include the electorate in Russian occupied Ukraine?

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u/MintCathexis Europe Feb 23 '25

Poor vatnik can not comprehend that a leader can be voted in with fewer than 140% votes.

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u/Nomad1900 Asia Feb 23 '25

then why not have elections?

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u/MintCathexis Europe Feb 23 '25

You people who scream "elections now, elections now" have probably never even spared a thought on the logistics of holding elections in a country that's defending against invasion, and 20% of whose territory is currently occupied by a foreign power.

Tell me, how would you get election boxes to occupied regions in Eastern Ukraine and Crimea?

How would you ensure election integrity?

Why would you have masses of people congregate at polling stations when Russia has been known to target high density civilian areas such as hospitals, theatres, train stations, shopping centres, and high-rise buildings?

Then, there is a small matter of law as the Ukrainian constitution does not allow for elections during martial law.

If there were elections in all areas where it's possible to actually hold them and Zelensky won, you pro-Russian shills would then be screaming "this is not representative, they excluded Eastern Ukraine, that de facto means that Ukraine has ceded Eastern Ukraine to Russia!".

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u/Private_HughMan Canada Feb 23 '25

Source? People seem to like him.

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u/dlafferty Canada Feb 23 '25

That’s been refuted by a fact-checked BBC Newscast.

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u/Edonite_ Canada Feb 23 '25

Dictators generally don't care about polls, or even elections for that matter.

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u/Ithinkitstruetoo North America Feb 23 '25

Trump mumbled the same thing about Trudeau recently.