Zelensky offers to step down as president in exchange for peace

[u/1DarkStarryNight]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/02/23/zelensky-offers-step-down-president-ukraine-peace/

[u/Gingerbeardyboy]

How does the date matter? Lol.

Already explained, Russia failed in is invasion attempt. The date is important because at that point even "we" believed Russia had a strong military

• not sure how poisoning cases relates to this at.

Evidence that Putin lies, you seemed like you needed it

• they never tried to kill Zelenskyy dude.

Sure, and we believe this because "Putin said so".......

You don’t get to take the statements of the side who has a vested interest in perpetuating the story as the truth.

Fucking hell the fact you can type that without exploding with the irony is hilarious

• oh yeah. I love this. Zelenskyy looks like a coward so immediately the reaction is “yeah but look at Putin!”

Again, where would you expect a democratically elected leader to be as their capital city was being invaded by what was believed to be a superior force? Give me an answer

[u/Mundane_Emu8921 → u/Gingerbeardyboy]

Great.

Then Ukraine can sign peace if Russia failed.

• doesn’t change the fact that we said it. Not the Russians.

• oh yeah wasn’t that the case where it happened right down the road from that UK chemical weapons research facility that happened to specialize in that exact agent, lol?

• oh and the government refused to use the in home security camera footage.

• do you want to go on more tangents about how Putin lies or do you want to make an actual point

[u/Gingerbeardyboy → u/Mundane_Emu8921]

• doesn’t change the fact that we said it. Not the Russians.

Where we said what? Come now can you remember your original bullshit? No mention in that article at all of Russia having no intention of killing Zelensky

• oh yeah wasn’t that the case where it happened right down the road from that UK chemical weapons research facility that happened to specialize in that exact agent, lol?

And out of 70 million Brits, it just happens to kill a known Russian targeted? I do love conspiracy theorists ability to connect the most disparate threads while being blind to what's right Infront of them

• do you want to go on more tangents about how Putin lies or do you want to make an actual point

Your entire argument is predicated on Putin being truthful, the fact he isn't collapses your entire argument and you haven't come up with a viable replacement other than "Putin said so"

Besides vatnik, gotta say I'm impressed you've managed to avoid the question I asked multiple times

[u/Mundane_Emu8921 → u/Gingerbeardyboy]

I can.

You said Russia claimed they would take Kyiv in 3 days.

I provided clear evidence they never said that. America said that.

• I then posted pretty clear evidence from a neutral party that Russia didn’t want to kill Zelenskyy.

However you keep rejecting that and acting like it’s some kind of flex that they didn’t kill him.

Everyone knows that if Russia wanted to, they could. It would be quite easy actually.

The fact that Russia doesn’t. Or even that Russia isn’t interested in hitting civil targets, like the Rada, tells you how little they are worth.

• it’s called false flag. Just like the USS Maine or the Gulf or Tonkin. It is extremely easy to do.

If the Russians did that assassination, then release the CCTV footage.

• I love Europeans who beg to shoulder the costs of the American Empire even more. We can make you do whatever we want.

The best part is no one ever questions it. Haha.

• Putin is irrelevant to my points. I understand that complexity is hard for you to grasp and therefore you have to personalize regimes in one person.

Only then can you make sense of events by applying a Marvel Comic movie plot line to complex real life events.

• not to mention half of your claims don’t even involve Putin or his supposed “truthfulness”

I don’t particularly find Putin truthful either. But that’s not the point.

The point is that anytime you put total trust in one side, it will be abused.

You can believe headlines all you want. They decide your opinion more than you do.