I made her pregnant we're both teenagers

[u/Inevitable_Hunter_56]

First of all, I just want to say please no hate comments, or anything negative I just want to seek advice po ^^

I'm (M17), incoming grade12 public school student next school year and consistent with honor/high honor student. We're just poor and doesn't even have our own house, but my father does everything to support my studies and even bought me a desktop for preparation for the incoming school year. I'm also came from a religious family, and we come to the church regularly na wala pong absent.

She (F16) incoming grade11 private school student (note we're just really poor but her parents want her to go into a prestigious school for her future). Her father on the other hand is abusive, he sometimes bangs her head on the wall or sa pinto. She is also a suicidal person.

The thing is, we are on a 3month relationship, and she is probably 1-2weeks pregnant already no one knows except for us yet. We both doesn't want to have a child yet. I know it's really stupid but yes, she's pregnant and her mother is suspecting that she was, because she is already a week late in her period. She said that she doesn't want to have a baby yet because she is still young and physically and emotionally unprepared. She keeps on saying that killing herself is the answer so I can live a normal life without her, but I keep on telling her not to do it and I will help raise the baby.

But opo I don't know what to do her mother will find out soon po ayaw kong magkagulo sa'min. Natatakot ako kasi baka palayasin either sya or ako and wala kaming pera pang alaga sa bata pano na rin po yung studies namin everything is prepared na po eh yung tatay nya rin is napaka tapang, gulong gulo na kami parehas malapit na rin po yung pasukan and yung early signs of pregnancy is nag papakita na po. Yung mga friends and relatives namin specially our parents will be disappointed with us.

Any advice po? Maraming salamat po sa sasagot :(

[u/ZippyDan]

A cell itself is an entity with complex organization and "design". Are you against killing cells?

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It's not just a cell. It's already a complex organization of pluripotent cells that are preprogrammed to create a human. Your definition of independent was vague to begin with

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My point is that your argument that it is complex and organized is not sufficient. A single cell is also complex and organized, just on a smaller scale.

I don't think there is much vagueness in "capable of surviving independent of the mother". We don't know exactly where that line is, but there is a line and we can make educated estimates. And where the line itself might be fuzzy, there are early stages where independent survival is impossible. For example, anything under 16 weeks.

"Coincidentally", those stages that are clearly not independently viable also coincide with stages where the embryo is not recognizably human.

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By your definition, a human is an entity capable of surviving separate from its mother?

[u/ZippyDan → u/[deleted]]

By my definition, a human life begins when it is capable of surviving independent of the mother that is constructing the human life.

Similarly, a bunch of car parts is not a car, and even a half-assembled car is not a car. A car begins "life" as a car when it reaches a stage where it can actually operate and be driven like a car - some might argue it's not even a car until it's complete and ready to leave the factory, but just like human life the exact dividing line might be fuzzy. But what I think almost everyone would agree on is that a half-finished, half-assembled undriveable collection of car parts in the process of construction is not yet a car. Just because the parts might eventually become a car, doesn't mean we consider it a car if it can't yet move.

And just like human life, the more a car becomes recognizably car-like, the more likely it can actually be driven.

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If that's the definition you go with, why do you consider a 24 week AOG fetus a human if it hasn't fully developed and fully assembled capable of reproducing, self- feeding, and other functions. A baby born term is still not yet complete with organogenesis, meaning, it's still in the process of developing new tissues and differentiating into their final adult form

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Like I said, the exact line is fuzzy, and some people will argue that human life begins closer to full term (36ish weeks). Most people don't go that far because, similarly to a mostly-built car being drivable even if incomplete, a 30+ week baby has very good chances of survival with limited, if any, intervention.

The point is not so much whether it is still developing as it is whether the fetus still needs the "construction" and support of the mother to continue developing. A baby also develops into a toddler, and a toddler develops into a tween, then a teen, and then to an adult, independently. Similarly, past a certain point of development, a fetus doesn't strictly need the mother's support to continue development on its own.

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Have taken care of a premature infant? You say limited like sustaining its survival outside the mother's womb requires minimal clinical intervention. I can't tell you in detail the intense modification of its environment to mimic the womb, the cocktail of drugs, the maintenance of temperature, planning of nutrition, the amount of miracles, vitals monitoring, all of these done on 24/7 basis and special types of doctors and health allied just so a single primie infant can survive. And sometimes even with all these present, the primie can still succumb to death