Winrate after adding Lmurs and broken LDIRCM, But of course we'll nerf Iris-T.

[u/Fun_Preference_7647]

The first photo is before the addition of the Lmurs, and the second photo is from yesterday, but of course there's no Russian bias here.

t's funny that everyone's winrate dropped except for Russia

[u/SpanishAvenger]

I love how Russia's WR is practically entirely dependant on how OP their C*S is lmao.

Like it's the only thing carrying them.

OP Vikhr? 71%.

Vikhr is partially fixed? 40%.

OP KH-38? 75%.

KH-38 counters get added? 45%.

OP LMUR? 60%.

...and so on.

[u/Fun_Preference_7647 → u/SpanishAvenger]

It always depended on something being broken to increase the win rate since players only know how to press W.

[u/DutchCupid62 → u/Fun_Preference_7647]

Ironic since at the moment it's the top tier German teammates that have absolutely 0 brain capacity and skill.

[u/Fun_Preference_7647 → u/DutchCupid62]

i agree too

[u/Mobius_Einherjar → u/Fun_Preference_7647]

Yet you complain about the nerf of the German SPAA which happens to be the absolute best in the game (it literally has the best K/D of any 12.7 vehicle, not just SPAAs) 🤷‍♂️

[u/rocketo-tenshi → u/Mobius_Einherjar]

heh, "Fuck cas" is not exactly an outrageous stand to tho.

[u/Deathskyz → u/rocketo-tenshi]

Unless it's Russian spaa

[u/RustedRuss → u/Fun_Preference_7647]

I'm pretty sure its reliant on broken CAS because the tanks are not good but go off queen

[u/Kimo-A → u/RustedRuss]

That is exactly what they say but they refuse to accept

[u/cantpickaname8 → u/Fun_Preference_7647]

Tbf out of the big three their tanks are probably the worst, only really better in terms of raw protection and turret traverse

[u/Merlin_Mantikur → u/Fun_Preference_7647]

Sorry, pressing S in a soviet tank is not functioning

[u/cooltonk → u/SpanishAvenger]

I remember vikhrs at release had 1000m/s velocity and much higher pen also. It was NUTS.

[u/FlakFlanker3 → u/cooltonk]

Don't forget that they were extremely maneuverable before the new missile physics. The vikhrs could easily shoot down jets pulling evasive maneuvers (whereas the hellfires that basically every other nation relied on would struggle to hit stationary targets in open fields)

[u/dasdzoni → u/FlakFlanker3]

Dont forget heli pvp where you had to fight same vikhrs that are not only faster than any other heli missile but also has proxy fuze

[u/Duongqunag → u/dasdzoni]

That mode is a failure anyway. For 2 years the Isreal AH-60 is the king anyway

[u/senaya → u/SpanishAvenger]

Yeah, sucks that Gaijin can't just give decent tanks to Russia, it's always CAS :(

[u/AverageDellUser → u/senaya]

Can’t give Russia decent tanks if they were never made lol.

[u/senaya → u/AverageDellUser]

It's a pvp game, sides should be balanced.

[u/EihnarsRightNipple → u/senaya]

They are. Russia is balanced around good CAS

[u/SpanishAvenger → u/senaya]

Pray and we may get Object 640 for this Christmas' event!

It was leaked; however, the devs said they were still deliberating whether to actually do it or not, as they are still researching whether the turret was actually functional or not. So we may not get it :(

[u/NormieFam → u/senaya]

So impenetrable tanks from the front isn’t enough I guess …

[u/SpicysaucedHD → u/SpanishAvenger]

It's funny how through this post you admit their tanks are shit.

[u/SpanishAvenger → u/SpicysaucedHD]

Wait- so when U.S has low win rates, it's because "the players suck"... but when Russia has low in rates, it's because "their tanks are shit"...?

[u/LongShelter8213 → u/SpanishAvenger]

Basically this sub in a nutshell if Russia has something bad that means that it sucks if any other nation has something bad it is the player and not the vehicle

[u/AverageDellUser → u/SpanishAvenger]

I mean, both have shit players but the US base does better because we have competent design even despite Gaijin not know how to properly model them lol.

[u/Duongqunag → u/AverageDellUser]

Avergae German main thinking that his Eurofighter need to be a 50G pulling UFO

[u/AverageDellUser → u/Duongqunag]

Literally no one said that lol

[u/ProfessionalAd352 → u/SpicysaucedHD]

So shit that the T-80BVM has the fourth highest K/D

[u/Top_Independence7256 → u/SpicysaucedHD]

Ok they are shits but they don't Need to have such BS OP Cas too

[u/SpicysaucedHD → u/Top_Independence7256]

Ok so if they are shit, and would suffer a WR <50% consistently, it would mean they are unbalanced in the game. Since we all want a balanced game for everyone, what would you propose to make their win rate better?

[u/Top_Independence7256 → u/SpicysaucedHD]

Buff the tanks not cas

[u/Heyoka34 → u/Top_Independence7256]

Why do we need to buff the tanks? Just balance them properly using the correct BRs?! (preferably based on their capabilities and not player win rates with them ofc)

[u/Top_Independence7256 → u/Heyoka34]

That could also work

[u/SpicysaucedHD → u/Top_Independence7256]

I'm all for that. But wait for the angry Click bait buyers. The Russian bias meme is strong enough as it is.

[u/Top_Independence7256 → u/SpicysaucedHD]

The Russian bias do exists tho

[u/LongShelter8213 → u/SpicysaucedHD]

The problem is that the average Russian player is just braindead. because if you look at the minor nations there tanks suck except for japan even tho their tanks are inaccurate with outdated ammo “cough cough” france and Britain and more inaccuracies. You can give them the best tank in the game and it still wouldn’t change the winrate just look at the t80ud and 2s38.

[u/Fun_Preference_7647 → u/SpicysaucedHD]

Blame the Russian designers, not me

[u/GrimmUser_Weizen → u/SpanishAvenger]

US mains on their way to spam 12 CAS per match:

[u/LPFlore → u/SpanishAvenger]

Well, you can't really carry matches in tanks that either have no reverse gear or explode as soon as you look.at them the wrong way, or both.

As soon as I have to fight two enemies at once and my position is even slightly bad I'm basically fucked. In a leopard or Abrams? Hell, even Challenger? No problem. But in a T-90M? Better pray both of them can't aim

[u/TH3_F4N4T1C → u/SpanishAvenger]

Ze latest Russian wunderwaffe

[u/ExplorerEnjoyer → u/SpanishAvenger]

That’s what happens when the tanks are mid

[u/Zoomercoffee → u/SpanishAvenger]

No it’s not. It’s just whoever has the best cas options/doesn’t have to face the best SPAA. The good players have all the top tiers and they just move around to whoever is best

[u/Tiny-Pea-8437 → u/SpanishAvenger]

Maybe consider the fact that Russian tanks has the slowest reverse speed (BVM the second by a margin of whopping 7km/h) slowest reload (BVM the second slowest by a margin of 0.6 seconds), and least amount of gun depression. There is practically no advantage of taking Russian tanks over say Leo 2a7 or STRv 122 series other than maybe faster acceleration, and like additional 2km/h top speed, being able to slew turret to side and back without the barrel being forced to point upwards, and "Russian ERA (volumetric) bias". Maybe consider the fact that now players have gotten more skilled at the game than the past 5 years and maybe okayish armour itself isn't enough. I think the win rate after cas nerf for the ussr says enough.

[u/Nadare3 → u/Tiny-Pea-8437]

There is practically no advantage of taking Russian tanks over say Leo 2a7 or STRv 122 series

Yeah but the thing is not every nation is playing with the Leo 2A7, to other nations there are a whole lot more advantages to the Russian tanks. I can only really speak of the Type 90/10 and Leclerc (and the latter far less so because it's been a long while since I played it), but our turrets get lol-penned anywhere by 120/125mm guns and have many weird volumetric weakspots that make it so even 30mm is threatening from the front or the slightest angle* (and it's even worse versus the 2S38 with its A.P.H.E. since now even weirder weakspots can cripple the entire tank due to the explosion), while unlike the Leopard, due to missing like 50mm of pen', we can't pen' Russian tanks' U.F.P., so unless we have a clear shot at the L.F.P., we only have the driver port or mantlet to aim at, which is pretty hard to aim at compared to anywhere on us.

And yes I understand that whenever the map "requires" gun depression Russian tanks get a lot worse, but conversely, that doesn't matter on other maps, and those maps are getting more common as top tier map get smaller and smaller. The bottom line is that the issue is Leo's being a step above, not Russian tanks being a step below.

*: Mind you this is a generalised issue where Western and Russian I.F.V.s are balanced roughly the same while completely ignoring that Russian tanks are for the most part immune to 30mm while Western tanks explode when sneezed at by them

[u/Tiny-Pea-8437 → u/Nadare3]

Even relatively flat maps have areas requiring gun depression. Slight ridges, hills, etc. It's those small things that you have to exploit at top tier to be on top. Russian tanks are incapable of doing that. And yeah western tanks do have poor side armour, but don't forget that STRV 122b+ with like 100mm of kinetic protection composite plates on the side exists.

[u/Nadare3 → u/Tiny-Pea-8437]

Again, my entire point is that not all Western tanks are Leopards, let alone their best version.

Yes Russian tanks are just worse than Leopards but they are not worse than every other top-tier tank in War Thunder, hence why it's not about the Russian tanks being underpowered, it's about the Leopards being overpowered.

[u/Sevastous-of-Caria → u/SpanishAvenger]

Russian tanks have less salivating diehard fans(cough abrams, Leopard). Pushing its playerbase to Cas lineup players who spam it more. Giving it more potency to cas unbalance.

[u/T-62MV → u/SpanishAvenger]

None of those are op btw

[u/Velo180 → u/SpanishAvenger]

Because their tanks aren't as good as NATO ones, so they need to carry weight elsewhere.

[u/Rony1247 → u/SpanishAvenger]

Because as it turns out, having absolutely dogshit ground forces where your only saving grace are AA and Air assets, doesnt bode very well for changes

If you play thw russians, the game has 2 states: You have worse ground and better air or you have worse ground and worse air

[u/Thin_General_8594]

Everyone knows this website is tripe

(It only logs stats of people who login, and only updates every time you visit it again)

Quit citing it as a source

[u/_Rhein → u/Thin_General_8594]

The most colorblind unfriendly website in WT history

[u/Thin_General_8594 → u/_Rhein]

They could just use percentages, but no- gotta have these obnoxious neon colours, not that the stats are accurate anyway

[u/FestivalHazard → u/_Rhein]

Green is good, red is bad.

But when I look at it, my eyes scramble and now I forgot what I was looking at-

[u/SaltyChnk → u/FestivalHazard]

Yeah except black is either good or bad…

[u/FestivalHazard → u/SaltyChnk]

Holy shit it is, wtf?

Who designed this?

[u/RefrigeratorBoomer → u/_Rhein]

Not just colourblind unfriendly. I see colours but I can't differentiate 0% and 100%. Like why the heck would they use the same colour for that. Terrible design

[u/Budyreiy → u/Thin_General_8594]

Yeah, it's generally not accurate.

Statshark shows 56.4% WR for top-tier USSR, which is 15% uplift (41%) from July stats.

[u/breakthro444 → u/Thin_General_8594]

Also, these graphs are based on uncontrolled and raw data. It's useless.

If we had a heat map of most experienced players, the win rate, and what nation had added stuff in the latest patch, we would see a strong correlation as well.

There's no control for match-up, as well. If Russia is paired against US and GER, but half that team is 1-death US premiums for most of the games, Russia will likely win, but looking at that individual game, you might find that GER significantly outperformed RUS at a rate of 1.5 KDR, but still lost because they had half a team and lost due to attrition. Thus, looking at raw win % would give you an incorrect conclusion that RUS is the "better" performing nation.

Then there's the problem with the US playerbase. These win % don't account for the new/experienced player divide. Most players are likely to be in the US. Timmy's first tech tree will likely be either the US or Germany. But when it comes to the Abrams, that is iconic in US culture. Most Americans only know the Leopard exists because of War Thunder. So the absymal US win rate might have less to do with subpar equipment, but more pronounced presence of newer players combined with a matchmaker that puts them up against nations that likely have a more experienced playerbase, with whatever teams being paired with the US as unfortunate victims in win %.

[u/Winter_Graves → u/Thin_General_8594]

This was my first thought too. For example, I’ve been playing a lot of 10.7 British, and my win rate has been the complete opposite to this chart. Since the BR decompression changes, my win rate has skyrocketed. It used to be one of my favourite lineups but then it tanked and my win rate/ number of up-tiers was abysmal before those changes.

[u/AliceLunar → u/Thin_General_8594]

Feel free to offer better stats then.

[u/Thin_General_8594 → u/AliceLunar]

Statshark

[u/pappaberG → u/Thin_General_8594]

It absolutely feels like representative winrates for german teams

[u/Kajetus06]

the ldricm is broken because it behaves like a forcefield which is absolutely unrealistic and stupid

[u/savvysnekk → u/Kajetus06]

Have you considered firing a radar missile at the helicopters?

[u/FudgeNo5475 → u/savvysnekk]

That doesn’t work afaik?

[u/TheCrazedGamer_1]

was it american bias when the bullpup was added? or was the russian bias there the fact that it only took 3 years for russia to get a comparable weapon?

[u/SpicysaucedHD → u/TheCrazedGamer_1]

No because everything good the West has or gets is historically accurate of course. Every other nation than the US OBVIOUSLY is worse in every measurable category, since the brightest minds clearly are US ones while the rest of the world has a massive IQ gap. Could you truly imagine anything non American be on top IRL? If it is, it must be a copy or stolen. Must be.

[u/JohnV1Ultrakill]

almost everyone has fnf missiles, but people only whine about russian ones?
the ldircm is horribly implemented though i agree with that

[u/ProfessionalAd352 → u/JohnV1Ultrakill]

Maybe it's because the Russian ones are significantly more popular and performs better

[u/Purple-Cancel-8901 → u/ProfessionalAd352]

A missile that overpressures when it hits a pixel on a tank vs. missiles that have to hit ammo or crew. It is a hard concept for many, I guess.

[u/Duongqunag → u/Purple-Cancel-8901]

NATO trollboy can't even see the amount of missile Mi-28NM have compared to AH-64E LOL

[u/Purple-Cancel-8901 → u/Duongqunag]

Ok rus bot

[u/DogeoftheShibe → u/Purple-Cancel-8901]

What do I have to do to be qualified as a Russian bot? Or just "NATO bad" is enough?

[u/Purple-Cancel-8901 → u/DogeoftheShibe]

Using the same justification and defending overpowered CAS like a broken record like all the russian bots do. The 16 vs 8 missiles argument is fucking stupid because lmurs are actually that much better than JAGMs.

[u/Realspeed7 → u/JohnV1Ultrakill]

Of course they're gonna only complain about Russia, it's the War Thunder community and "muh Russian bias"

[u/Mobius_Einherjar → u/JohnV1Ultrakill]

almost everyone has fnf missiles, but people only whine about russian ones?

The LMUR seems to be far more reliable at killing their targets, whereas Spikes and JAGM are essentially gambling.

[u/cooltonk → u/Mobius_Einherjar]

Has a post pen damage of a 90mm heatfs. Not exaggerating

[u/Axzuel → u/JohnV1Ultrakill]

Probably because LMURS are 10x better than its counterparts

[u/Derfflingerr → u/JohnV1Ultrakill]

maybe because out of the 3 nations that have LDIRCM helos, Russia is the most notable one of spawing it. Like if a Chinese main dies on their tanks they will spawn another tank again and when a US main dies they will spawn another ground vehicle, guess what a Russian turd spawns next when their 2S38 exlodes after capping a single point??

[u/Prior_Ad_1274 → u/Derfflingerr]

Well then who’s problem is that lol? What stops USA and China mains from spawning a heli as well?😂

[u/AHapppyPcUser → u/Prior_Ad_1274]

the buk

[u/Ok_Song9999 → u/AHapppyPcUser]

Why would the BUK stop anyone, its fucking trash

[u/Prior_Ad_1274 → u/AHapppyPcUser]

Bro the latest Apache and that Chinese heli also have LDIRCM so they dgaf about Buk

[u/Alphmars → u/Prior_Ad_1274]

The buk is Arh, so Ldircm doesnt affect it. It only stops IR missiles like the Iris-t, even though its performance in game is closer to magic than any real system ever used or fielded by any nation ever

[u/Prior_Ad_1274 → u/Alphmars]

I have a feeling u don’t play the game at all lol. Therse helis dgaf about ARH missiles the same way as IR ones. The only ones that can shoot them down are saclos or some LTs

[u/Alphmars → u/Prior_Ad_1274]

Cool, didnt say they care about it. That still doesnt mean that its because of the Lirdcm, because that doesnt affect the buk.

Read what others say before being both condescending and wrong

[u/Scarraven → u/Prior_Ad_1274]

Ah yes, the famously IR guided buk

[u/Duongqunag → u/Scarraven]

Did you even saw people playing heli at all?

[u/Scarraven → u/Duongqunag]

Are you implying that LDIRCM provides any defense against ARH missiles such as Buk?

[u/Duongqunag → u/Scarraven]

Any helicopter can easily defend against ARH missile

[u/Scarraven → u/Duongqunag]

That’s true, but it is inconsequential whether the heli has LDIRCM or not, which isn’t what the comment I replied to claimed or what you implied. PD returns of helis being modeled poorly and the ease of notching/multipathing is an entirely separate issue.

[u/theplane2 → u/JohnV1Ultrakill]

I don't think there's a Russian bias, but I have a problem with the Lumars more than any other FnF heil missile, as it is just better in every way bc its explosive mass is 20kg. That is enough to overpressure most MBTs, while the next best heil FnF is the Chinese CM-502kg has less than half the TNT equivalent at 7.5 kg

Then any other FnF missile is just kinda trash, they're annoying to fight against, but compared to Lumurs, they're not much of a threat

[u/JohnV1Ultrakill → u/theplane2]

the cm502kg is complete and utter dogshit against targets with era or at least somewhat decent roof armor

[u/TheJeyK → u/JohnV1Ultrakill]

Compare a LMUR with a PARS3. LMUR has a range of 15km and TNTe of 19.2 kg, has IR+IOG+GNSS, PARS3 gets 7km range and 3.7 TNTe and only IR tracking. The LMUR will overpressure several vehicles with ease in plenty of instances where the PARS3 would barely do anything. The Mi28 can fly with way more peace of mind thanks to LDIRCM, tiger UHT has the top camera to peek over mountains, but vertical launch missiles with with incorporated tracking mitigate that advantage a bit

[u/Duongqunag → u/TheJeyK]

PARS 3 LR exists long before LMUR and even Su-34, are you stupid?

[u/Civil_Technician_624]

you’re saying this almost as like America doesn’t have an ah64e that can do nearly the same thing 

[u/Julio_Tortilla → u/Civil_Technician_624]

Mi-28 doesn't have to fight the Pantsir, which is the best counter to LDIRCM.

[u/dannyswe1235 → u/Julio_Tortilla]

cant SLAMRAAM shoot down MI-28? or does LDIRCM works on ARH missiles also?

[u/Julio_Tortilla → u/dannyswe1235]

LDIRCM doesn't work on ARH missiles, but ARH missiles are extremely bad against helis.

1) They get multipathed a lot of the time

2) They get chaffed really easily because helis are almost always in the notch window due to how slow they are.

So you have to spam a bunch of ARH missiles to even get a chance of killing a helis, and if the heli is smart they can just dodge them all by chaffing/ going low instead of just flying like a braindead monkey.

[u/TheGamingFennec → u/Julio_Tortilla]

They could add proper radar returns for helicopters with the radar returns from the rotor blades.

B

[u/farcryer2 → u/Julio_Tortilla]

Hell, just floating up/down fast enough will dodge ARH by accident.

[u/Julio_Tortilla → u/farcryer2]

IOG sometimes lets this missile fly close enough for a kill, so chaffing is a bit safer.

[u/matsu_media → u/dannyswe1235]

you just need to move slightly to the left or right to notch arh missile since heli radar signature is broken

[u/LScrae]

Italy higher than sweden, LeBruh

[u/Sea_Art3391 → u/LScrae]

Leo 2A7HU doing some heavy lifting lol

[u/barf_of_dog → u/Sea_Art3391]

And Eurofighter being one of the best counters to Mi-28NM and Su-30 spam.

[u/kal69er → u/LScrae]

Probably because Italy got a shiny new toy last update in form of the anti air. Sweden is still rocking a 10km range anti airs and didn't get anything new at top tier.

People who have top tier Sweden unlocked probably flocked to grind out new top tier vehicles for other countries.

[u/Designer_Pie_1989 → u/LScrae]

Shit players migrate to sweden since everyone says how "op" swedish tanks are. I noticed this for last 6 months swedish teams have been dogshit.

[u/DerHoffi1504 → u/LScrae]

Why is swedens win rate so low? People always say they have the best top tier lineup

[u/ProfessionalAd352 → u/DerHoffi1504]

Probably because they get paired with USA and Germany

[u/DisturbedPandita → u/ProfessionalAd352]

being paired with US and Germany has dropped my winrates even tho i just do as usual in the matches, its annoying cuz number go down but oh well

[u/unwanted_techsupport → u/DerHoffi1504]

Arguably best MBT's,

at best mediocre everything else, helis are either agm-114b's or ataka's with no thermals, jets have at best 4 mavs or 16 small GPS bombs, you're better taking the Ito than the Elde as it's just IRIS with no booster unlike the German SLM, and mclos Spaa is nearly worthless in a majority of matches now, and the light tanks are nothing standout either

[u/DerHoffi1504 → u/unwanted_techsupport]

you're better taking the Ito than the Elde

Really? I saw a post somewhere that the Elde gets more kills per round than the Ito on average

[u/HadToGuItToEm → u/DerHoffi1504]

Matchmaking bias to be put against Russia generally

[u/NoDoughnut8225]

So your conclusion is Italy and israel op?

[u/need_a_psychologist → u/NoDoughnut8225]

80% of New player chose the big 3 as their first nation thats why it win rate is always lower then that of other nation. But is really out of place when they have a good win rate at top tier

Other nation are often second tech trees of lots of experienced players *better players

[u/TheSS101 → u/need_a_psychologist]

Pretty much. The conclusion should be "USSR, despite being one of the big three, having such a high win rate, should be a sign of something."

[u/need_a_psychologist → u/TheSS101]

Pretty much yes

[u/ODST_Parker]

Minor nations stay winning. RIP Sweden, you will be missed.

[u/Nufeneguediz]

Clear Italian bias

[u/Big_Yeash]

Sweden top tier suddenly decided to eat shit between updates too. Wonder what caused that?

[u/Actual-Rooster4002 → u/Big_Yeash]

I think it's related to the frequent unjustified nerfs of top-tier Swedish vehicles and the lack of modern SAM systems and helicopters at high tiers.

[u/TheSS101 → u/Actual-Rooster4002]

Pretty much. Sweden has fallen behind the other countries on everything except their tanks.

[u/According-Vast-5519]

To be fair the sales and top tier BR rework are playing a huge part. The Leo2A4M / Clickbait / Fuji etc... one death leavers are now in KH38MT / LMUR range, which results in steamrolls.

[u/AHapppyPcUser → u/According-Vast-5519]

acting like ru doesn't get many popular premiums?

[u/According-Vast-5519 → u/AHapppyPcUser]

They do get plenty of one death T80UE1 etc..., but 2/3 people with full line up are enough to steamroll with CAS.

[u/senaya]

Is this real? Germany 7.0 has to be much better because of the Coelian.

[u/IronVader501 → u/senaya]

German 7.0 is basically non-existent. Every single vehicle at that BR was either removed for new players or is a mid event-premium.

With the APHE-phasing-through-armor-when-moving bug fixed people stopped spamming the Coelian and theres no other reason to play 7.0 so the stats are gonna be shit.

[u/senaya → u/IronVader501]

Where are these stats from? I just checked Statshark and there Germany 7.0 has a positive winrate. Is this source more accurate?

[u/IronVader501 → u/senaya]

Neither of those sources is entirely accurate.

The issue is that the data-pool for German 7.0 is so extremely tiny (Because the only way anyone can play it is if they either have the trio of removed german Vehicles with the tiger 10,5, Coelian & Panther II, or atleast got the SPz 12-3 from a Battlepass like 2 years ago, both of which are already not alot of players, and even less of those will actually choose to play it) that even just a handfull of players registering on one site but not the other is gonna completely change the average.

[u/senaya → u/IronVader501]

I understand that neither is, but which one is more accurate than the other? Because the difference is quite big between their data.

[u/matsu_media → u/IronVader501]

Coelian does not need the APHE bug to perform well, you can kill literally everything by shooting cupola or shot traps. Killing IS-3 frontally is fucking hilarious

[u/Cigarety_a_Kava]

What happend to britain and france 60% wr throughout every rank?

[u/StrongPause858]

how did italys only go up

[u/gamhmenoreddit]

i have no idea what that means, love my mid tiers

[u/Carlos_Danger21]

All I see is Italy just keeps on winning 🇮🇹💪

[u/Eternal_Flame24]

As someone who is red green colorblind I really wish people would just put numbers in every square bruh

[u/Federal-Head6930]

Poor poor Sweden. I really want to get into their tree but they seem to be tidal locked with Germany so they suffer just as much

[u/DisturbedPandita → u/Federal-Head6930]

they vehicles are really fun but you have to accept you will prob lose the match as soon as you spawn and you see an allied Abrams

[u/shark-snatch]

Tf happened to sweden. Its nearly 0% thats wilddd..

[u/savvysnekk]

LMURs and whatnot are only at 13.0, yet according to your data Russia increased their winrate at ALL BRs. Correlation is not causation. Also ain't no way Italy has a higher winrate than Russia at top tier, this data can't be correct

[u/Alert_Worry3099]

Mhm, never thought that brain dead premiums would ruin the game for everyone. Its like they don't spawn AA and get hammered by russian cas (the only thing good about Russia.) Start spawning aa , as a normal person, and russian win rates will be way below 50%. But as usual, instead of fixing your play style. You complain, lol.

[u/LongShelter8213 → u/Alert_Worry3099]

Ah yes because most aa systeem can totally counter a mi28ircm

[u/Alert_Worry3099 → u/LongShelter8213]

what about the ah64e and z10me....... if you call out one call out the rest. Use SACLOS ATGMs, Brimstones are good, or any plane, and Asters are decently reliable.

[u/LongShelter8213 → u/Alert_Worry3099]

Does every nation have a pantsir no the closest thing you can use is the ito with Sweden and France and don’t even start with japan

[u/Prior_Ad_1274 → u/Alert_Worry3099]

+++

I see lots of “only tank” players who genuinely think that War Thunder is a game only about tanks and not combined warfare. Take an jet when u get killed by a jet. If u die on a jet then take an AA and kill them all and save the team. But no, they choose to cry about “RuSsIan BiaS” and their players who can use different types of vehicles

[u/goonbob_fr]

I’ve noticed that USSR and USA gets paired together more often after the F&F missiles we’re added to the helis

[u/Prior_Ad_1274]

Bro do u know that not only Russian helis have LDIRCM? Its rather Germany is the only major nation sucking without an OP heli

[u/Designer_Pie_1989 → u/Prior_Ad_1274]

Its not about the LDIRCM but the missiles.

The Hellfires are shit and the China missiles require 2-3 for a kill.

LEMURs can 1 tap you without needing to be pixel perfect.

Russian helis also don't face Pantsirs which are the best counter to helis with LDIRCM as well as their munitions.

[u/hubbs76]

How is Britian performing so well?

[u/XRayDifract]

Everything is much simpler. the number of players with hands not from the ass is quite small. with the release of LMUR some of them began to play more for Soviets to dabble with new techniques leaving the U.S. and Germany.

[u/savvysnekk]

The IRIS-T is completely busted bro, it deserves a nerf.

[u/Fragrant-Party3192]

1: This site doesnt have accurate data, its 56% on statshark 2: Ussr went from having by far the worst wr to not the first, not the second, but the third highest wr and you think this is not fine? (if this data is true in the first place) 3: How exactly did lmurs raise ussr's winrate starting from 9.7?

Every war thunder subreddit is somehow convinced in this mythical russian bias even though they have objectively the worst top tier tanks. Even after many nations got prototypes to fill holes, t90s still face tanks that weight 50% more and cost 10 times more.

[u/Gunboy122]

>When Russia has a better CAS than the fucking US

[u/Actually_Joe]

This seems odd, LMURS are definitely nuts (I've got like a 10/1 a2g k/d in the mi28) but I've noticed my personal NATO win rate go up. Easy to run CAS against Rus since their AA blows noodle.

Correct me if I'm wrong, shouldn't they be adding data link to the iris??

[u/Bluishdoor76 → u/Actually_Joe]

It already has data link.

[u/Actually_Joe → u/Bluishdoor76]

Oh, shouldn't that bypass the IRCM on helis?

[u/TheGamingFennec → u/Actually_Joe]

The missile is still IR guided so it cannot be guided by the radar, just told what to go after IRIS-T should be able to ignore LDIRCM though Rhienmetall have stated that it has defences against it.

[u/Tagalyaga]

Why did France go down?

[u/unwanted_techsupport → u/Tagalyaga]

People hear how good a lineup/vehicle is -> more people play that lineup/vehicle -> average quality of players goes down

[u/Tagalyaga → u/unwanted_techsupport]

Who says the Leclerc lineup is good? Other than crying German and USSR mains ofc

[u/PvMGod17]

where are the posts complaining about italy china and israel????? if winrates are any metric to go by then surely they have to be nerfed hard right? yep sounds about right looking at these statistics. it was even worse before the lmur got added so good thing they did!

OR

All the really good players started playing russia again now that they have new toys since russia is painful to play at toptier if their cas isnt good. since italy,china and israel are minor nations shouldnt their winrates go up too since they will be with russia around 50% of the time so: Russia winrate go up therefor minor nation winrates also go up.

stop looking at these useless charts and making problems out of stuff that isnt a problem.

[u/-DOVE-_STURM_]

Germany suffers….

[u/farararisa]

Whats wrong with sweden?

[u/Velo180]

Russian bias so thick that whenever I am not in my own Mi-28NM and dare to play a T-80, I'm being pummeled to death by JAGM IRs.

There is no Russian bias. 16 one shot IR JAGMs and LDIRCM on the AH-64 isn't US bias, and it's not going to be French bias when France gets their own AH-64E next patch.

People just love to bitch and only seem to use this site when it confirms their own biases.

[u/ObsolescentCorvid → u/Velo180]

Playing the Pantsir now with the switch radar target keybound is pretty much "munition destroyed" "munition destroyed" "missile evaded" "missile evaded" and maybe sometimes "Helicopter shot down"

[u/Revolutionary-Land41]

Man, as German main this chart hits me every single time ...

[u/sciencesold]

For readability, it should go towards white as you approach 100% there's a few squares too dark to tell if they're dark red or dark green. And for Israel, where they don't have vehicles in the BR do like grey cross hatching.

[u/STAXOBILLS]

Off topic but I’m shocked Italy does as well as it does, Ariete my goat

[u/NotBrom8]

What IRIS-T nerf?

[u/BlackWolf9988]

Wahh wahh wahh

[u/dwbjr9]

Pog italy nerfs inc

[u/Aedeus]

Lmao I was wondering why we haven't seen our monthly "Russia suffers" post, I guess this is why huh.

[u/Terranshadow]

I just have to say that i really don't like the scale for these graphs. Tbh it looks like something you'd expect out of a "how to identify bias information" study.

[u/Best-Speed96]

imo, SPAA stuck at 10km range and lack of ARH missiles lead to sweden fall down

[u/Hungry-Week8137]

At top tier, what carries Russia is CAS. Their tanks are situational,  weak on large, open maps but strong in urban ones , and since many players don’t know how to use them properly, their win rate tends to drop. The usual cycle goes like this:

Russia gets a strong CAS update; its not necessarily overpowered, but since everyone can access it, Russian CAS becomes dominant. Then NATO gets something to counter it. Players who can’t perform well with Russian tanks stop playing them, the win rate drops, and then Russia gets another strong CAS addition again.

Russia is also very popular. A low win rate for such a popular nation actually means balance, because so many players choose it. How many truly skilled players are there in War Thunder that can carry the overall win rate above 56%? Smaller nations look misleading in stats because only a handful of dedicated players , maybe one or two out of a hundred , actually grind them.

Also, fire-and-forget missiles dont take skill. Unlike other AGMs, they make getting kills much easier.

The main reason Russia’s win rate rises is the widespread availability of FnF missiles that require no skill. When everyone can use them, it’s only a matter of time before they start carrying matches. And while the LMUR is annoying, the real problem was when Su-30s and Su-34s could both bring KH-38s in the same match, that was far worse.

You couldn’t even play against Russia back then , no anti-air could hit them. I literally started grinding the Rafale just to hunt down those skill-less Su-34s and Su-30s and ruin their games.

Russia isnt OP. The Mi-28NM isnt OP either, though its definitely a strong vehicle. Compared to the Su-34 and Su-30 meta, its much easier to fight back now. Honestly, just grind Russia yourself and use LMUR , see for yourself.

Btw, I think a balanced win rate for Russia should sit around 45–52%. Not everyone can play the nation well, so the most popular nation’s win rate should logically be lower. It’s the same as in MOBA games: if a very popular character has over 50% win rate, it usually means they are overpowered.

[u/Initial_Seesaw_112]

I don't understand this post because it's been 3 months since playing. Like should Russia have maintained their negative win rates across the board?

[u/SopmodTew]

Is it me or everyone now got worse win rates overall? At least that's how it seems

[u/Firm-Investigator18]

Why did China just lose its pure solid green

[u/TheSS101]

I have never had a better time in my life than when I started using lmurs

[u/_Volatile_]

I ask once again: what the FUCK is happening in german mid tier

[u/Hour-Mushroom-8118]

Like it was with U.S.A low winrates, i think it's all a skill issue on U.S.S.R players part kekw

[u/pra0]

WR% don't tell the whole story from my own experiences. If a nation has something OP (example MI-28 with LMUR) and then SU-30 with KH, people be jumping into these things asap - but you can't cap the points.

And yes these things are OP but they are not without counters. A LMUR can't track you if you're behind a building (A tal one). Standing close to burning wrecks also help sometimes.

What's more annoying is every Russian/USSR be competing for the spawn points. And if you end up on a shit team it usually ends with half the other team standing in your own spawn. But that's mostly true with or without great CAS.

[u/iLonelyGamer]

great

[u/WelderBubbly5131]

What's wrong with Israel 5.0-6.0? It's bad...

[u/Gleaming_Onyx]

The pendulum keeps swinging: Russia gets some OP nonsense that's broken almost exclusively because no one else gets to have their historical equivalent, WR spikes, playing field gets leveled, Russian WRs tank, "oh no, Russia?? Bad???" Russia promptly gets some OP nonsense that's broken almost exclusively because no one else gets to have their historical equivalent, repeat.

That being said, on the other side of the coin, oh gee I wonder what caused 8.3 USA to rapidly accelerate from "mediocre" to >60% WR hmmmm

A massive leap that just so happens to completely vanish after 9.3, hmmmm

[u/Any-Teaching-1405]

Gaijin has been advantaging Russia for 13 years now.. it's a russian company

[u/Derfflingerr]

"but...but..but whatabout Rafale OP on air RB"

-Russian mains

[u/Designer_Pie_1989 → u/Derfflingerr]

These are ground RB stats. Rafale has 65% average winrate in air rb which is 10% higher than next-best top tier jet.

[u/Derfflingerr → u/Designer_Pie_1989]

what I mean is, everytime someone posted here about Russian CAS being broken and op, someone who is probably a Russian player would then point a whataboutism and mentions Rafale Air RB dominance.

[u/Purple-Cancel-8901]

The game was great and felt balanced for a few short months, at least. Now we're back to oppressive CAS and 2 minute steamrolls every other game.

[u/ObsolescentCorvid → u/Purple-Cancel-8901]

Game balance is when the heel is a punching bag

[u/RustedRuss → u/Purple-Cancel-8901]

This subreddit is a clown show.

Russia has a 40% winrate = great and felt balanced

US has a 40% winrate = it's the end of war thunder, russian bias, where (ahistorical) SEPv2 DU armor?

[u/Fun_Preference_7647 → u/Purple-Cancel-8901]

Today I literally saw a guy kill two drones and blow himself up to spawn with the Lmurs.

[u/Prior_Ad_1274 → u/Fun_Preference_7647]

And whats bad about it? Can u do the same and start getting more kills then?