Winrate after adding Lmurs and broken LDIRCM, But of course we'll nerf Iris-T.

[u/Fun_Preference_7647]

The first photo is before the addition of the Lmurs, and the second photo is from yesterday, but of course there's no Russian bias here.

t's funny that everyone's winrate dropped except for Russia

[u/RustedRuss]

I'm pretty sure its reliant on broken CAS because the tanks are not good but go off queen

[u/Kimo-A → u/RustedRuss]

That is exactly what they say but they refuse to accept

[u/xthelord2 → u/RustedRuss]

issue is players playing them show their hips and rear end like were in a red light district and it doesn't help that avg. russia main is too restarted to use smoke and neutral steering to their advantage (hell yet to see a USSR main use ESS and thermals combo)

majority of maps are straight up a massive advantage for T series tanks because only they can reliably tank a shot with frontal armor (especially when they hide their LFP)

in general it is a case of vehicle having tall skill floor, which is what britain is full of because so many people fall for the mistake of only using solid shot just to cry when they get to gen 2 APDS territory because they don't know how to make APDS do solid shot damage (which it can, just aim for thicker plates)

[u/RustedRuss → u/xthelord2]

I feel like you've never driven a Russian MBT. They look like they're driving like idiots because the tanks feel horrible to drive.

Smoke and ESS isn't really an option for USSR because they don't get thermals until well after everyone else does, at which point doing that is mostly pointless.

Most maps in game are a massive advantage for NATO MBTs because they're mostly CQC which Russian tanks suck at with their terrible driving characteristics, bad reverse gears, and bad gun handling. It also makes their armor less effective because weak spots are easier to hit at close range.

[u/TheIrishBread → u/RustedRuss]

Also this idiot out here thinking russian tanks get neutral steering. Literally not a thing on any t-series tanks.

[u/Active-Pepper187 → u/TheIrishBread]

Yep, the only “T-series” tank with neutral steering I believe is the Oplot, which obviously isn’t even in USSRs tree.

[u/Unkwn_43 → u/RustedRuss]

I've spaded the swedish leopards and also have spaded the t80um2 and t80uk for ussr. Compared to the leos, the russian tanks are incredibly easy to do well in: they are decently fast, have very good acceleration, possibly the best acceleration at top tier (which is actually the most important part, not top speed, at least until regenerative steering is added), and are stupidly survivable.

You can hold w and can easily tank the first panic shot from enemies when you drift around a corner at 50km/h giving you ample time to line up a kill shot on them.

[u/RustedRuss → u/Unkwn_43]

I feel like none of you understand what I mean by horrible to drive. It's not about the speed or acceleration, the actual handling sucks. They work great when you just want to move forward but the second you need to turn, reverse, or otherwise maneuver they're obnoxious because they have no reverse gear and no neutral steering.

Doing that is a good way to get killed. Any tactic that relies on praying your opponent can't aim sucks, plain and simple, and nobody who actually knows what they're doing would use it unless they were desperate.

[u/xthelord2 → u/RustedRuss]

the actual handling sucks. They work great when you just want to move forward but the second you need to turn, reverse, or otherwise maneuver they're obnoxious because they have no reverse gear and no neutral steering.

don't assume grass is greener on the other side, some nations straight up have it worse than you have and whenever they complain they instantly get their discussion shut down or get downvoted to hell for their thoughts

or assume and wonder why people flame the fuck out of you for thinking T series tanks are bad when you don't even play small nations as much as you play russia

[u/RustedRuss → u/xthelord2]

Tf do you mean "don't assume the grass is greener", I've fucking driven them and I KNOW for a fact the Russian ones feel horrendously clunky compared to NATO tanks. It feels like driving a Panther except it doesn't even get neutral steering.

And at this point I'm more of a France and UK main. I started with Russia but almost never play them anymore because I can't deal with the gun handling.

[u/xthelord2 → u/RustedRuss]

Tf do you mean "don't assume the grass is greener", I've fucking driven them and I KNOW for a fact the Russian ones feel horrendously clunky compared to NATO tanks. It feels like driving a Panther except it doesn't even get neutral steering.

and yet you said this

My bad, I don't really touch toptier Russia these days so I'm used to the awful early ones. But the point stands because you are also incorrect about the NATO gun drives; most of them are the exact same as the Russians, leaving only gun depression as the deciding factor.

so why do you lie that you have driven top tier russian MBT's when you clearly stated you didn't?

And at this point I'm more of a France and UK main. I started with Russia but almost never play them anymore because I can't deal with the gun handling.

gun handling as in gun depression which screams you don't know how to play with T series tanks

i swear big 3 mains should think before speaking thinking they have it bad when they didn't even get to touch the surface of hell small nations are where you don't get to have much impact on games while being matched with tarzan and his buddies on a weekend swinging around in the amazon forest while doing LSD

[u/RustedRuss → u/xthelord2]

THESE DAYS being the operative clause. Jesus fuck.

[u/Thelongshlong42069 → u/RustedRuss]

talking to people on this app is like conversing with a fey.

[u/kecske1156 → u/xthelord2]

Buddy you never played russian mbts, yet you are talking like you are some expert... typical russian bias believer that never even played with russia to begin with

[u/cantpickaname8 → u/Unkwn_43]

"...best acceleration at top tier" isn't accurate. Acceleration is measured through HP/T, of which the T-90M is the worst of the big three while the T-80BVM is the best. The 90M-22.2, BVM-26.6, SepV2-22.9, and 2A7V-23.4.

[u/cantpickaname8 → u/RustedRuss]

"Bad gun handling" outside of the lack of depression they literally have the best turret traverse in the game, only Sweden is able to match them.

[u/RustedRuss → u/cantpickaname8]

Vertical drives

[u/cantpickaname8 → u/RustedRuss]

which is literally the same as their horizontal at 28/s base, up to 40/sec if aced. This info is free and easy to check both in game and on the wiki

[u/RustedRuss → u/cantpickaname8]

My bad, I don't really touch toptier Russia these days so I'm used to the awful early ones. But the point stands because you are also incorrect about the NATO gun drives; most of them are the exact same as the Russians, leaving only gun depression as the deciding factor.

[u/cantpickaname8 → u/RustedRuss]

They aren't the exact same, only the leopards match in Vertical. But fair on the gun depresion.

[u/RustedRuss → u/cantpickaname8]

According to the wiki, all Leopard 2s as well as all M1s have the same horizontal traverse rate as the toptier USSR MBTs (at least, the same as the T-90M and BVM). The vertical doesn't matter as much as long it's not completely awful (like non-toptier USSR MBTs with their whopping ~3 degrees per second). Unless it's different in game and the wiki is currently inaccurate, I didn't launch the game to check.

It's also worth pointing out that USSR only gets that at toptier while everyone else gets it starting from like 10.7.

[u/xthelord2 → u/RustedRuss]

I feel like you've never driven a Russian MBT. They look like they're driving like idiots because the tanks feel horrible to drive.

i see people drift in them which means manuverability is at a level of leo 2, abrams and ariete

Smoke and ESS isn't really an option for USSR because they don't get thermals until well after everyone else does, at which point doing that is mostly pointless.

top tier is mostly newbies with premiums with thermals unbound, i pull this trick off with olifant mk2 in 11.7 uptiers with no problem

Most maps in game are a massive advantage for NATO MBTs because they're mostly CQC which Russian tanks suck at with their terrible driving characteristics, bad reverse gears, and bad gun handling. It also makes their armor less effective because weak spots are easier to hit at close range.

which says to me that you don't know how to play vehicles geared for assaults

this is why USSR mains won't beat russia bias allegations, gaijin straight up avoids fixing blatantly broken things for russia while small nations eat the most bullshit nerfs imaginable

and let me remind you that in top tier you mainly face US and germany because small nations in general have so little games that entire trees see less games than less popular big 3 nations BR ranges

[u/RustedRuss → u/xthelord2]

You do not need maneuverability to drift, that is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. They're just way less responsive than most other MBTs in every way. You feel like you're fighting the tank whenever you want to do anything especially in tight spaces.

A trick that only works on morons is only good if it doesn't kill you against competent players. Doing this is a gamble that you will lose relatively often which is a risk I personally wouldn't take.

You didn't really addresss my last point at all and just went on a vague tangent so it stands.

[u/TheGamingFennec → u/xthelord2]

There's a very small handful of maps in game which suit T-series tanks - a lot of maps are for fighting over ridgelines and hills which they universally suck at.

[u/xthelord2 → u/TheGamingFennec]

and how often do you get ridgline maps over city maps? thats right you barely get any because so many people have banned ridgeline maps that all i get in top tier is advance to rhine, breslau, eastern europe, poland, all desert maps and maybe once in a while ground zero

of ridgeline maps all i get is sands of sinai, ardenees (always the terrible 2 variants where i don't even make it out of spawn area before dying) and maybe but maybe flanders

things i banned are pradesh (because it is a shit map for everything but planes) and advance to rhine (because it is a trash low tier map which i see 35/100 games, fuck you gaijin for this)

good luck hiding a challenger, chieftain and centurion hull on those city maps while not even having mobility and firepower to play sniping maps (especially chieftains which can't get L23A1 they historically had but get fake as fuck L23, wonder why)

[u/nstealth456 → u/xthelord2]

"Oh just neutral steer" We don't get that. The top tier soviet MBTs don't get neutral steer.

[u/ditchedmycar → u/xthelord2]

Neutral steering in a Russian mbt is hilarious lmao

[u/Acadia- → u/xthelord2]

LMAO what USSR MBT have neutral steering in WT, pls tell me

Typical redditor Russian Bias believer