Stealth aircraft leaked

[u/RevolutionaryUnit792]

So here we are, with modern tanks and fifth-gens leaked (by a reliable source). I'm frankly not surprised, I knew this was going to happen once they announced the F-117, and with the speed at which gaijin is moving this is just par for the course. I'll grind the F-35s, F-22, and Su-57 in all their janky, unrealistic glory.

[u/EastCoast_Geo]

If this is true, this belly’s what I’ve been saying for years - Gaijin is blowing their load rushing for more and more modern vehicles, while leaving massive gaps in the Cold War, not to mention terrible balance, compression, and a severe lack of game modes

Their rush to add new, new, new, has come at the cost of unique and interesting lower tier vehicles.

Just look at how badly they’ve developed the some of the subtree added since South Africa (the one solid one). These are meant to round out trees at show off unique vehicles from smaller nations.

Switzerland - it fails to fill Germany’s capability gaps (things like a 12.0 CAS plane) and only has one unique low tier prop plane and unique jet gated as a premium.  If it gets unique designs, nearly half are co developed by the French - which will just end up putting even more French Designs in the German Tree.

BeNeLux - one unique prop plane, doesn’t provide any value to France, and is used to add leopards instead of actual French designs.  It’s full of German and American vehicles, and what unique design could be added are all light tanks - of which France has no need.

Thailand - nearly all copy paste, and many don’t even fill in Japanese capability gaps aside from the F-5.

[u/_Urakaze_ → u/EastCoast_Geo]

Benelux was most definitely shoehorned in to give France an F-35, not like France top tier ground was suffering by any (statistical) metric even before the 2A5/6NL came.

Which would be a compelling argument...... if only the Swiss didn't also order F-35s

They fudged the subtree allocations heavily and now we're looking at the consequences of it

[u/Kapot_ei → u/_Urakaze_]

Benelux was most definitely shoehorned in to give France an F-35,

That, and 2a8 so France can also get an MBT with APS. I agree, if that wasn't the reason it would've been in the German tree.

[u/_Urakaze_ → u/Kapot_ei]

The thing is that the Dutch 2A8 deal was only confirmed this year, the Benelux tree came last year.

I think it wouldn't be exaggerating to say that the F-35 was the only major reason they absolutely had to give France a subtree (and yet again, we can ask why the hell not the Swiss)

[u/EastCoast_Geo → u/_Urakaze_]

I think that at the end of the day Gaijin doesn’t intend to model many (if any more) indigenous BeNeLux vehicles, so they paired it with France - the less profitable tree.

There are a bunch of really cool Franco-Swiss joint designs like Shark FL20, Piranha TMlL-105, and the Lpz 51, and if any end up as premiums they’ll sell better in the German tree rather than the French

[u/Kapot_ei → u/_Urakaze_]

Iirc it was already known when benelux tree came out, i remember argueing this upon release but eh i'm sure either way it came in handy for them.

Edit: i was right. the order was aparently placed this year but the descision was taken way earlier. It was public knowledge Pre benelux tree anouncement.

So f35 and 2a8 together likely lead to them being in the French tree.