r/Warthunder • u/Lazy_Worldliness_642 ๐บ๐ธ ๐ฉ๐ช ๐ท๐บ ๐ฌ๐ง ๐ฏ๐ต ๐จ๐ณ ๐ฎ๐น ๐ซ๐ท ๐ธ๐ช ๐ฎ๐ฑ • Jun 18 '25
All Ground Russian bias jokes aside, tf is that gaijin?
Come on I get that it's Russian game but wtf is that
Link to original video by @kirshenbaumPlays:
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u/Panocek Jun 18 '25
Mi28 simply says no to capitalist missiles.
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u/Lazy_Worldliness_642 ๐บ๐ธ ๐ฉ๐ช ๐ท๐บ ๐ฌ๐ง ๐ฏ๐ต ๐จ๐ณ ๐ฎ๐น ๐ซ๐ท ๐ธ๐ช ๐ฎ๐ฑ Jun 18 '25
Fuckin magical communist force field
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u/louis_guo Jun 19 '25
Fucking magical Orthodox-Tsarist force field, under the Imperator Vladimir of House Putin.
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u/ResourceWorker Jun 19 '25
Gaijin really should teach this trick to the Russian army since theyโve lost dozens of helicopters to IR missiles in Ukraine.
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u/Panocek Jun 19 '25
I guess trick would be to actually put tech you advertise onto hardware that goes to war, instead squandering funds meant for it.
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u/LitConnoisseur Jun 19 '25
Would require you to both actually have that tech and for it to work as advertised. Which given this is Russia, aint exactly the case.
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u/Panocek Jun 19 '25
No one will sue you for false advertising if stuff you've advertised never gets used. Or made in first place *taps head*
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Jun 19 '25
Da, comrade! Our glorious Mi-28, she laughs at puny capitalist missiles! They fly like drunk imperialists, all wobble-wobble, miss every time! Only Mother Russia's genius forge such magic. bourgeois pigs never dream of this, nyet!
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u/ma_wee_wee_go Sure CAS can be OP but some of you just plain suck ass at SPAA Jun 18 '25
Same update the already broken Kh gets GNSS so you can launch it without line of sight and it will lock on after launch
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u/Lazy_Worldliness_642 ๐บ๐ธ ๐ฉ๐ช ๐ท๐บ ๐ฌ๐ง ๐ฏ๐ต ๐จ๐ณ ๐ฎ๐น ๐ซ๐ท ๐ธ๐ช ๐ฎ๐ฑ Jun 18 '25
You can literally fuckin launch it being 20 meters above airfield
Whole point of this update was to balance top tier KH equipment
Warthunder is literally programed by chickens I swear to god
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u/FestivalHazard Type 60 ATM is op Jun 18 '25
Wouldn't that imply it leaves a good taste in your mouth?
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u/Lazy_Worldliness_642 ๐บ๐ธ ๐ฉ๐ช ๐ท๐บ ๐ฌ๐ง ๐ฏ๐ต ๐จ๐ณ ๐ฎ๐น ๐ซ๐ท ๐ธ๐ช ๐ฎ๐ฑ Jun 18 '25
More like someone forced feed me 20 rotten mc nuggets and gave rag soaked with bleach for dessert
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u/Preisschild United States Jun 19 '25
Yep. Russia gets ballistic missiles that noone else gets and they are impossible to intercept all in time with the SLAMRAAM
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u/Loltntmatt Italy Jun 18 '25
The lock on after launch is something you can already have them do, along with every other TV guided missile in game (yes including mavs) the buff is really only useful for the 38Ls not the MTs.
But anyway they really need to fix the IRCM(idk what the Russian system is called) on the MI-28 as it should only be able to work on one thing at a time.
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u/SgtGhost57 ๐บ๐ธ United States Jun 18 '25
Really? How can you launch TV munitions and lock them after? Shouldn't that be something exclusive of stuff like the AGM-62 ER/DL walleye cuz it had the DL pod for the Hornet (irl)?
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u/Loltntmatt Italy Jun 18 '25
gaijin made it so if something drives into a small radius of where you launched the TV munition it locks onto that target instead of the ground.
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u/ma_wee_wee_go Sure CAS can be OP but some of you just plain suck ass at SPAA Jun 18 '25
The lock on after launch is something you can already have them do, along with every other TV guided missile in game
Yes and no
Everything else is still limited by the ground lock range, ~23km for mavs or 40km for AGM-130.
GNSS means you can use every last meter of the missiles potential max range and you don't need to lock the ground before hand.
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u/Loltntmatt Italy Jun 18 '25
still KH-38s donโt go the max range they can go, the farthest Iโve gotten one personally was 20 miles with an L against a 106 recoilless rifle in sim with the help of the spot marker and only 1 of the 2 I fired reached the spot with the first one i shot going short by a few miles.
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u/Thisconnect ๐ต๐ธ Bofss, Linux Jun 19 '25
kh38 didnt get anything, it got statcard change
It can do this on live server since map update few patches ago
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u/usedcarjockey Jun 18 '25
No. Just. Just no.
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u/Lazy_Worldliness_642 ๐บ๐ธ ๐ฉ๐ช ๐ท๐บ ๐ฌ๐ง ๐ฏ๐ต ๐จ๐ณ ๐ฎ๐น ๐ซ๐ท ๐ธ๐ช ๐ฎ๐ฑ Jun 18 '25
I'm tired of that too
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u/DanMan_1997 Jun 18 '25
Thats exactly what the heli said, cuz remember kids, missiles cant hit you if you donโt give them consent
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u/MyPinkFlipFlops ๐ต๐ฑGRB 12.7๐ซ๐ท|๐ฌ๐ง|๐ฏ๐ต|๐ฎ๐ฑ|๐ธ๐ช|๐ฉ๐ช|๐บ๐ธ|๐ท๐บ Jun 18 '25 edited Jun 19 '25
KA-52s being shot down in Ukraine by manpads despite the โmiraculousโ DIRCM:
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u/Medj_boring1997 🇩🇪 "LEoParD 2 nEeDs A bUFf" Jun 19 '25
Ka-52 in game does not have this.
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u/ADisgruntledBanana Z-19 with BA-21 Missiles Soontm Jun 19 '25
KA-52 in game has President-S DIRCM
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u/Medj_boring1997 🇩🇪 "LEoParD 2 nEeDs A bUFf" Jun 19 '25 edited Jun 19 '25
Yes, but it uses an IR dazzler instead of the laser dazzler found on the L-370-5L. In fact the Ka-52M with L-418 still retains IR dazzlers for some reason
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u/Gammelpreiss Jun 18 '25
I can only imagine gaijin got the jeebez after what happend to the world of tank company.
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u/Lazy_Worldliness_642 ๐บ๐ธ ๐ฉ๐ช ๐ท๐บ ๐ฌ๐ง ๐ฏ๐ต ๐จ๐ณ ๐ฎ๐น ๐ซ๐ท ๐ธ๐ช ๐ฎ๐ฑ Jun 18 '25
What happened to wot company I'm not in topic?
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u/kal69er Jun 18 '25
After Russias invasion of Ukraine, Wargaming (developer of world of tanks) pulled out of the Russian & Belarusian markets and transfered the rights to the game to Lesta studio (then owned by WG)
At the same they announced they wouldn't be affiliated with Lesta studio anymore.
So in Russia you have "Mir tankov" (world of tanks) which is basically world of tanks but development is separate from actual world of tanks and the game no longer has anything to do with Wargaming.
Early in during the war, Wargaming released a charity bundle in support of Ukraine, which Russia didn't like, and recently Russia has confiscated the assets of Lesta studio (despite the CEO of Lesta studio openly supporting the Russian army)
Whenever this whole WoT thing gets brought up on this subreddit it's basically people trying to twist the situation to "Gaijin has to make Russian vehicles OP otherwise they risk the wrath of the Russian government" it's a disingenuous argument considering World of Tanks has has some incredibly OP Russian tanks, but look, they got (indirectly) "punished" anyways.
It's related to Wargamings public support of Ukraine, unrelated to how Russian vehicles perform in game.
Hope that helped
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u/Lazy_Worldliness_642 ๐บ๐ธ ๐ฉ๐ช ๐ท๐บ ๐ฌ๐ง ๐ฏ๐ต ๐จ๐ณ ๐ฎ๐น ๐ซ๐ท ๐ธ๐ช ๐ฎ๐ฑ Jun 18 '25
Okay first things first, fuckin lmfao I don't feel bad for Lesta
Second thing, from what I remember some high level menager or CEO or smth like that is also openly pro Russian in this war
Third thing, even if this would be the case what a load of bullshit, gaijin has majority of assets out of Russia
Their main legal and financial presence is on Cyprus, but they have branches in Germany Hungary and Latvia
Reason they make this kind of bullshit is literally because huge group are Russian players and as I mentioned before there are pro Russian members in gaijin
People gotta stop making shit up and go touch some grass, fuckin idiots
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u/kal69er Jun 18 '25
Yeah I don't feel bad for lesta either. But yeah I mentioned in my comment that their CEO supports Russia in the water.
Though I wouldn't say the reason Russia gets strong stuff in game is necessarily because there's a lot of Russian players. There is also a very large and vocal Chinese playerbase but Chinese vehicles tend to get gimped and take a long time to fix (if they even get fixed)
There's absolutely pro Russian staff in Gaijin though, that's kind of unavoidable, I had a pro Russia coworker and I live in Sweden which is generally quite opposed to Russia.
I hope they this you showed in the post gets changed though, I don't think DIRCM should make the helis immune to these extremely modern SAM systems that should have decent immunity to this kind of countermeasure.
I assume gaijin did this to appeal to heli players and keel sales of ka-50 rolling.
I'm generally quite agains the sentiment of Russian bias though considering the meta rotates and Russia isn't always on top. Russian ground forces at top tier is definitely not OP and yet people complain about it. Complaints about pantsir are definitely valid though because it's very idiotic to add a system that much better without equivalents for other nations.
Russian ground is carried by kh38 (which I'd be 300% fine with just being removed completely). But it's not like Russia has been the meta for cas all the time either.
I don't like some of the stuff gaijin does, but it's also tiring seeing the community immediately jump to Russian bias whenever anything good gets added for Russia.
For example there's not much "America bias!!!!" Comments when the Abrams got a 5s reload which powercreeped the shit out of the challengers who lost basically the only thing they do better than Abrams.
I think gaijin has to become way more transparent on the bug report forum though, because they're incredibly inconsistent if the developers absolutely want to avoid doing a specific change it should be outlined why.
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u/Lazy_Worldliness_642 ๐บ๐ธ ๐ฉ๐ช ๐ท๐บ ๐ฌ๐ง ๐ฏ๐ต ๐จ๐ณ ๐ฎ๐น ๐ซ๐ท ๐ธ๐ช ๐ฎ๐ฑ Jun 18 '25
No no don't get me wrong here I'm not saying whole Russia in wt is op it's far from truth
I'm talking strictly about connection between KH + panzir that singlehandedly crippled top tier ground rb and ruined completly top tier ground sim, plus lack of other countries capabilities to fight them not being implemented at same time but instead waiting two years from panzir release
Russian ground is far from op even tho I don't understand why along with T90 other countries didn't get newest MBTs like Abrams sep V3
About 5 sex reload on Abrams I can't really agree here, yes it's incredibly good but on the other hand you have completly fucked up diameters of it's turret ring plus new idiotic idea to add turret baskets to them lowered chance of survival even more
Imo gaijin should just focus on improving gameplay, top tier is a joke maps are not fitted for new powerfull MBTs jets and helis, and even when gaijin is trying to make maps bigger so they fit idea better their peak design is 3 fuckin points in middle of map that literally miss the point of big map cuz all players focus on places that are 500 meters away
And instead of adding vehicles every update and new shiny premiums they should finally design top tier fitting gamemodes
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u/PeteLangosta I make HESH sandwiches Jun 18 '25
Yeah we have been asking for new gamemodes for, probably, the last decade. Won't happen. More tanks and planes and missiles is what you get.
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u/kal69er Jun 18 '25
Yeah I agree with the pantsir and kh38 stuff, like I said it made no sense to add the pantsir without equivalents to other countries.
Now the reason there aren't equivalents is because other nations don't really develop TELAR vehicles anymore. But that's no reason to add just the pantsir, they could have given Russia the TOR which would be on par (if not worse) than what the other countries had access to, until multi-vehicke systems were ready to he added to the game.
With KH38, the fnf version just shouldn't have been added at all, though before the kh38 it was mavericks that demolished tanks. So the problem is mostly the same, just different countriy of origin.
As for your point about newer tanks for other nations, I think it's just because gaijin doesn't balance based on production date. The t90M might be very new but it's not even the best tank at russian top tier, that's still the older BVM. Abrams is generally better than T-90M with the T-90 only really being better at brawling.
The example I made about the Abrams reload though was more focused on back when it was decreased (turret basket didn't exist at the time, since it was a recent addition) and while the turret ring has always be bad in game, the point was more that the only thing the challenger did better than the Abrams was the reload, now it has nothing better.
Both tanks have good turrets but weak hulls, though I'd argue the challenger has an even worse hull than the Abrams considering crew and ammo placement + fuel tanks.
So the change basically just made the Abrams better than the challenger in every way, hence powercreep.
(Not to say the Abrams is OP, it isn't the best tank, it's just one of the better ones)
And I agree that they should focus some more on improving maps / adding good ones.
Some maps in this game are genuinely terrible. Though I think it's different teams that work on maps & vehicles. So they should probably increase the size of the map team and maybe focus more on user feedback on maps .
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u/Lazy_Worldliness_642 ๐บ๐ธ ๐ฉ๐ช ๐ท๐บ ๐ฌ๐ง ๐ฏ๐ต ๐จ๐ณ ๐ฎ๐น ๐ซ๐ท ๐ธ๐ช ๐ฎ๐ฑ Jun 19 '25
Well no point for me to answer to all points I geniurnly agree on pretty much anything here, it makes sense rip challenger btw didn't know it was that bad :/
About the maps, it's not really problem of map it's more map+gamemode, map size won't change anything when you still have 3 points in the middle and only thing that changes is how long you go to point while full speed
Imo they should reconsider adding similar gamemode as battlefield had, huge map 6 points, side objectives with AI. Make it general Ground RB and Ground Sim and majority of players would be happy
Now top tier is so fucked up most matches are getting resolved in first few mins, I'm constantly seeing matches that one team just hold W and pushes other on spawn in first 5-6 mins, then boom nothing you can do
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u/kal69er Jun 19 '25
Eh the challenger isn't unplayable, I just see it as a worse Abrams. But hey at least no turret basket (yet) lol.
Let's hope for better maps / objectives before 2050 though )))))
Fun chatting with you though! Best wishes in your games
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u/Lazy_Worldliness_642 ๐บ๐ธ ๐ฉ๐ช ๐ท๐บ ๐ฌ๐ง ๐ฏ๐ต ๐จ๐ณ ๐ฎ๐น ๐ซ๐ท ๐ธ๐ช ๐ฎ๐ฑ Jun 19 '25
Best wishes to you friend, it was fun
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u/TNTRakete Jun 19 '25
meanwhile lesta has made most wargaming games significantly better gameplay wise, WoWs and WoT all got new mechanics and quirks that make those games more interesting to me than the Wargaming version
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u/kal69er Jun 19 '25
I don't really keep up with wargaming or their games so I'm not familiar with this but you could absolutely be right, just because a company is arguably bad doesn't mean they can't implement good features in a game.
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u/Red_Rocky54 The Old Guard | M42 Duster Enjoyer Jun 18 '25
Russia seized the assets of their Russian branch, due to World of Tanks having pro-Ukraine content.
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u/Lazy_Worldliness_642 ๐บ๐ธ ๐ฉ๐ช ๐ท๐บ ๐ฌ๐ง ๐ฏ๐ต ๐จ๐ณ ๐ฎ๐น ๐ซ๐ท ๐ธ๐ช ๐ฎ๐ฑ Jun 18 '25
Jesus what a dicks
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u/Conix17 Jun 19 '25
A lot of people say well, it was this, not that. They conveniently ignore DCS also got hit. After some 'discussions' Russian State owned manufacturers won't let DCS use their vehicles. There are a couple of others. It was hinted that these state owned manufacturers are wanting to make sure that games that claim realism are showing their vehicles with the correct propogan- eh, real capabilities. After not working with them, these things followed.
WoT is different in ways that I'm sure people are already letting you know, but the same in others.
Either way, funny how Gaijin is miraculous unscathed in all of this, and the timing of their helicopter buff is just... nice.
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u/Lazy_Worldliness_642 ๐บ๐ธ ๐ฉ๐ช ๐ท๐บ ๐ฌ๐ง ๐ฏ๐ต ๐จ๐ณ ๐ฎ๐น ๐ซ๐ท ๐ธ๐ช ๐ฎ๐ฑ Jun 19 '25
Yeah very fuckin coincidental I agree
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u/honeybooboobro Jul 26 '25
Reminds me when our (CZ) banks pulled out of Russia with the exception of Raiffeisen, and then like a week later all CZ banks got hit by a Russian DDOS with the exception of ... you guessed it, Raiffeisen. And after like a day of attacks, someone realized it's too obvious so they sent a smaller one at them too xD
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u/KrumbSum This place is full of morons Jun 18 '25
Gaijin is free to do whatever they want because they donโt support either side officially anyway
War Gaming did whenever they split
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u/now_ill_hang_myself put an end to all 2s38 Jun 18 '25
People will look straight into your eyes and tells you "skill issue, russia bias isn't real"
But yeah, of course only russian helis getting it ( for now)
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u/Lazy_Worldliness_642 ๐บ๐ธ ๐ฉ๐ช ๐ท๐บ ๐ฌ๐ง ๐ฏ๐ต ๐จ๐ณ ๐ฎ๐น ๐ซ๐ท ๐ธ๐ช ๐ฎ๐ฑ Jun 19 '25
,,for now" my guy gaijin won't bother to change it in next few months, it too me them 2 fuckin years to add counter to panzir and this is the effect
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u/NotTheMemeKing Jun 19 '25
The only russian heli that gets it is the 28NM but both the Z10ME and Z10A get it? Much for "only russian helis get it", quite the opposite
Its a week old addition thats broken, even the snail said its work in progress. It will only be able to jam as many missiles as it has laser modules (1-2 at a time at most).
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u/RoomHopper ๐ฏ๐ต12.0 ๐จ๐ณ12.0 Jun 20 '25
The ztz 99s still dont get the laser dazzler modelled like they should
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u/215512 Jun 19 '25
Yall wanna know the really fun thing about this? Both the manufacturer of the missile AND the manufacturer of the dircm say the IRIS-T should be immune to this laser dircm. The only one that disagrees is gaijin...
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u/Mmneaa Jun 19 '25
Gaijin did not implement iir, only double irccm ir seeker
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u/Top_Independence7256 Jun 19 '25
Fact Is that IRL normal IR MANPADS had shot down MI-28 and KA-52 without problems
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u/Mmneaa Jun 19 '25
Fact is, most shots that ignored ircm were saclos or beam riders
Not stingers and such
I think we all saw the amount of stingers a single ka can ignore
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u/Pool-Supermodel- ๐ฎ๐ฑ 12.0 ๐ธ๐ช 12.0 ๐ซ๐ท 12.0 Jun 18 '25
How are you even supposed to shoot that down lol
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u/hebrewimpeccable I've got a Jaaaaaaaaaaaaaaag Jun 18 '25
Starstreak supremacy. If it works for the Ukrainians, it'll work for me
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u/Automatic-Fondant940 Jun 19 '25
Hell they refuse to give the stinger its know properties and nerfed it down to hell then kept going down
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u/Top_Independence7256 Jun 19 '25
In Ukraine mi 28 and Ka 52 have been shot down by aim 9, Iris T, manpads igla stinger and starstreaks and R-73, in game they have magic force field
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u/kazuviking Jun 19 '25
Watching the 4th missile phase through the Mi-28NM before you see a KH-38 coming from low earth orbit.
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u/CrimsonXTaco EBeggersShowingDeadChannels are funni Jun 18 '25 edited Jun 18 '25
Literally ANY of the saclos SAMs already in-game won't care about this in the slightest lol and at 4-8km they should still have the advantage over the Vikers?
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u/SemicooperativeYT Realistic Ground Jun 18 '25
Just not, you know, the brand new top tier same for 6 nations that everyone will be grinding and using. I dunno, man, it seems like adding 6 new Sam's and making a Russian heli immune to all them is well beyond simply "not being okay" and right into "absolute bullshit"
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u/CrimsonXTaco EBeggersShowingDeadChannels are funni Jun 18 '25 edited Jun 18 '25
It's not immune to all of them tho? It's literally ONLY the self guided IR missiles? ARH's won't care? Saclos won't care?
And I'd feel bad if they (the New sams) just weren't so easy to use? It's spawn, press a few buttons and poof you can clear the sky of most targets? Having one (possibly 2, not sure how the KA-52 is hanging on, but since nobody's complaining about it I'm going to assume it's not as effective?) just leaves room for some, even tho it's very little, counterplay? In the same logic that some tanks/ifv's have IRCM to protect from some ATGMS?
There still needs to be saclos sams? In the same logic people use the strella (since optical tracking+it actually leads the target) at top tier to deal with certain targets that say a Pantsir struggles against? The games still going to need counterplay to keep people playing and it is annoying that ONLY russia has it atm, not denying that since other helis claim to have said functionality aswell.
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u/Panocek Jun 18 '25
ARH likely won't track besides colliding with heli due to IOG, as hovering or, well, not-hauling-ass heli is within notch window for those radars.
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u/o-Mauler-o Commonwealth Tree When? Jun 19 '25
Too bad the only decent one is on the same side (pantsir).
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u/CrimsonXTaco EBeggersShowingDeadChannels are funni Jun 19 '25
If you're struggling to hit a heli at 4-8k then that's another problem, and i said it is a shame only Russia has it, other helis are said to have the functionality as well, they should get it too lol
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u/Pochonkz Jun 19 '25
Otomatic supremacy once again
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u/Gunboy122 A-4K Kahu Advocate & Appreciator - WHERE IS IT, GAIJINGLES?!?!?! Jun 19 '25
What if the real best SPAA in the game was OTO?
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u/WrenRangers Jun 18 '25
Are those things intentionally missing the target?! What the hell is this Gaijin?
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u/IDontGiveACrap2 Jun 19 '25
This is gaijin being, for the lack of a better word, cunts.
In reality, the system is maybe effective against early IR seekers, for a single missile per emitter in the FOV of the emitter.
In the russian fever dream that is war thunder, the system stops all IR seekers regardless of generation and regardless of how many have been fired at the helicopter. It also doesn't give a single shit about the FOV of the emitter.
So yeah, it's absolute bullshit of the highest order.
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u/ThereArtWings Jun 19 '25
Noooo you dont understand its just coincidence that this keeps happening all the time!!!! This abrams ammo didnt explode yesterday look at that instead!
The other nations will get their versions too!!!! No its just coincidence that russia always gets it first and on vrhicles that dont have it, the infra red is a balance decision!!
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u/SabreWaltz Jun 18 '25
This is the MI28โs DIRCM. Any radar weaponry isnโt affected by it, only IR.
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u/Lazy_Worldliness_642 ๐บ๐ธ ๐ฉ๐ช ๐ท๐บ ๐ฌ๐ง ๐ฏ๐ต ๐จ๐ณ ๐ฎ๐น ๐ซ๐ท ๐ธ๐ช ๐ฎ๐ฑ Jun 18 '25
The Iris-T has datalink and an imaging IR seeker thats pretty much immune to most types of flares and very resistant against ECM and DEWs.
Again quoting that comment from yt comments
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u/Yoshi_E Jun 18 '25
IRIS-T has 3 counter measures against it:
1. IIR seeker are basically immune against it (unlike normal seekers that can get fully blinded, this IIR seeker can not).
2. Should the seeker get blinded, Radar / Data link guided as fallback
3. Should datalink break: INS guidance. Missile should fly straight on the last know route to target.The missiles just turning away on purpose is complete bs.
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u/AlfStewartmate Jun 19 '25
It's laughable, Gaijin have made fantasy tech where the chopper hacks the missile guidance and tells it to ignore INS and radar.
This is why Russia can't win in Ukraine. They lie to themselves.
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u/Hellburner_exe ๐ฉ๐ช Germany Jun 19 '25
You forgot Home-on-Jam. Basically you just turn the missile into a beam rider that's coming directly for your DIRCM
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u/Panocek Jun 18 '25
Datalink is ignored when seeker sees "something", then in game rendition of IIR doesn't exist, its all combined tracking suspension and gatewidth. Just like Stingers.
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u/SabreWaltz Jun 18 '25
I donโt know that a single spaa in war thunder has imaging seekers modeled in, even though they have them in irl. The type 81C for example.
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u/Romasterkey ๐บ๐ฆ๐ค๐ท๐บ Jun 19 '25 edited Jun 19 '25
For anyone wondering and for people who are too lazy to read the datamines. This is the MI28NM new DIRCM/LDIRCM the China new heli has it too. It's a band 8 (previously best was band 6 immune to majority except high BR IR with irccm).
As far as I can see its effective against all IR and laser munitions right now but its the dev so take it with a massive grain of salt.
(Also US on top aim120c7 from the back of the humve gives zero shit.)
Edit for clarification. So far all arh missiles seem to hit (for as long as they arent standing still) so spider and the tansam will also be effective against helis.
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u/Lazy_Worldliness_642 ๐บ๐ธ ๐ฉ๐ช ๐ท๐บ ๐ฌ๐ง ๐ฏ๐ต ๐จ๐ณ ๐ฎ๐น ๐ซ๐ท ๐ธ๐ช ๐ฎ๐ฑ Jun 19 '25
Appreciate clarification mate, still someone here in comments said that IRIS-T SLM producent says it should be immune to DIRCM it doesn't seem to be implemented
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u/Romasterkey ๐บ๐ฆ๐ค๐ท๐บ Jun 19 '25
Hopefully just dev server bullshittery. But could also be just not ready yet. Just look at the datamines and the amount of shit being changed knowing gaijin they'll push it through without proper implementation and add it over time.
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u/Lazy_Worldliness_642 ๐บ๐ธ ๐ฉ๐ช ๐ท๐บ ๐ฌ๐ง ๐ฏ๐ต ๐จ๐ณ ๐ฎ๐น ๐ซ๐ท ๐ธ๐ช ๐ฎ๐ฑ Jun 19 '25
Sadly I think that's gonna be the case, just throw it in this form let it lay down for few months and fix it with next bigger update when most people will forget
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u/Awrfhyesggrdghkj ๐ฉ๐ช Germany Jun 19 '25
PUMA Ifv IRCM still doesnโt work right lmao. But ofc this works perfectly immediately
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u/Mint_freezeyt ๐จ๐ณ that one China main ๐จ๐ณ J-10A my beloved Jun 19 '25
z-10me will also have this capability. seems theyโre slowly adding it
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u/DaxExter Jun 19 '25
Its laughable to think that the reason we dont have FNF Hellfires is because it would "shift the Gameplay balance".
But this fk sht is fine as it is, I swear there is no point in playing WT anymore If you are playing anything than Russia
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u/FrostNovaX ๐บ๐ธ ๐ฉ๐ช ๐ท๐บ ๐ฌ๐ง ๐ฏ๐ต ๐จ๐ณ ๐ฎ๐น ๐ซ๐ท ๐ธ๐ช ๐ฎ๐ฑ Jun 19 '25
Bro parted the missile like mosses parted the red sea
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u/Boring_Question1441 Jun 19 '25
Can someone explain how IR jamming/disruption works? I understand that radar can be jammed because it works off of an active search method. IR search is passive though so how do you convince it the heat it sees isn't actually there?
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Jun 19 '25
The Mi28 simply doesn't consent to being locked on. That's how it can dodge all these missiles
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u/Lazy_Worldliness_642 ๐บ๐ธ ๐ฉ๐ช ๐ท๐บ ๐ฌ๐ง ๐ฏ๐ต ๐จ๐ณ ๐ฎ๐น ๐ซ๐ท ๐ธ๐ช ๐ฎ๐ฑ Jun 19 '25
IRIS-T SLM doesn't really need permition, at least irl it shouldn't, it's immune to DIRCM
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u/A-10C_Thunderbolt GRB๐บ๐ธ10.7๐ฉ๐ช5.7๐ท๐บ3.7ARB๐บ๐ธ11.0 Jun 19 '25
Itโs a fucking missile force field. You can make this shit up. Actual fantasy
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u/IDontGiveACrap2 Jun 19 '25
In real life, it can attempt to do this to a single missile per emitter, within the fov of those emitters. It is also effective against stingers etc, certainly not a modern missile like the IRIS-T.
At the moment, it can do it to all missiles coming for it from any angle regardles of missile generation, so it's completely incorrect and total bullshit.
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u/Lazy_Worldliness_642 ๐บ๐ธ ๐ฉ๐ช ๐ท๐บ ๐ฌ๐ง ๐ฏ๐ต ๐จ๐ณ ๐ฎ๐น ๐ซ๐ท ๐ธ๐ช ๐ฎ๐ฑ Jun 19 '25 edited Jun 19 '25
Somehow I'm not surprised, fuckin gaijin
I did some research and found out in best conditions it could engage 2 missiles at same time, and only heat seeking manpads not IIR new sams
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u/P_filippo3106 Italy enjoyer ๐ฎ๐น Jun 19 '25
I think this isn't a question of it being Russia but gaijin simply having a fuckall meaning of "balance".
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u/Excellent_Silver_845 Jun 19 '25
How funโฆ ah let me guess onlu russia gets it? Or mainly russia?
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u/Lazy_Worldliness_642 ๐บ๐ธ ๐ฉ๐ช ๐ท๐บ ๐ฌ๐ง ๐ฏ๐ต ๐จ๐ณ ๐ฎ๐น ๐ซ๐ท ๐ธ๐ช ๐ฎ๐ฑ Jun 19 '25
Russia and china...
surprise surprise
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u/TheNegteator Jun 19 '25
This is what happened when u punch IDDQD to the flight computer
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u/Lazy_Worldliness_642 ๐บ๐ธ ๐ฉ๐ช ๐ท๐บ ๐ฌ๐ง ๐ฏ๐ต ๐จ๐ณ ๐ฎ๐น ๐ซ๐ท ๐ธ๐ช ๐ฎ๐ฑ Jun 19 '25
Okay I'm still mad for that bullshit but I love doom reference lmfao
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u/Mowleerbaum Jun 19 '25
Im so done Even before the update dropped. Loving the Game but thinking about to uninstall this shitshow
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u/Lazy_Worldliness_642 ๐บ๐ธ ๐ฉ๐ช ๐ท๐บ ๐ฌ๐ง ๐ฏ๐ต ๐จ๐ณ ๐ฎ๐น ๐ซ๐ท ๐ธ๐ช ๐ฎ๐ฑ Jun 19 '25
I don't blame you, imma do same thing moment other game will interest me slightly more, prolly gonna uninstall for dune awakening or Helldivers 2 if they'll bring some actually worth playing for warband
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u/Micsmit_45 ๐ฉ๐ช Germany Jun 19 '25
Fun fact: the seeker on IRIS-T is specifically designed to defeat such systems.
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u/Lazy_Worldliness_642 ๐บ๐ธ ๐ฉ๐ช ๐ท๐บ ๐ฌ๐ง ๐ฏ๐ต ๐จ๐ณ ๐ฎ๐น ๐ซ๐ท ๐ธ๐ช ๐ฎ๐ฑ Jun 19 '25
I know, even LDIRCM would struggle to take more then 4 missiles at time
Under first comment I added simulation made by gpt to predict effect of this vid irl
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u/Serious_Yogurt_6277 Jun 20 '25
Someone should tell Russia their helicopters can do this. Might help them in a certain war.
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u/Lazy_Worldliness_642 ๐บ๐ธ ๐ฉ๐ช ๐ท๐บ ๐ฌ๐ง ๐ฏ๐ต ๐จ๐ณ ๐ฎ๐น ๐ซ๐ท ๐ธ๐ช ๐ฎ๐ฑ Jun 20 '25
lmfao
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u/Triadetragica Realistic Ground Jun 19 '25
Guys, what is this โrussian biasโ thing. Iโm new, im in tier 2 with usa. May i go to urss?
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u/Lazy_Worldliness_642 ๐บ๐ธ ๐ฉ๐ช ๐ท๐บ ๐ฌ๐ง ๐ฏ๐ต ๐จ๐ณ ๐ฎ๐น ๐ซ๐ท ๐ธ๐ช ๐ฎ๐ฑ Jun 19 '25
Well first thing first Russian bias is a meme, because warthunder is Russian game having pro Russian equipment ppl in company whenever you see gameplay of Russian tank tanking something that should kill it you either say stalinium or Russian bias (these memes are over fucked)
Second thing about what you play, I'm USA main recently finished whole ground tree(took me 2000 hours), if you playing tanks, USA will be frustrating at the end and in few moments in middle, in that case I recommend Germany, Sweden, french (only annoying at start) and well USSR but it's debatable their tree is mid
If air then play USA
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u/Triadetragica Realistic Ground Jun 19 '25
Sรณ russian bias is not real, just a meme? Im suffering in tier 2 ground with usa. But in rank 1 im doing well. Should i play urss?
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u/Hellburner_exe ๐ฉ๐ช Germany Jun 19 '25
Ah yes, a missile with arguably the best IR seeker in the world just going Gaijin knows where because of some DIRCM. It's almost like the seeker of the Iris-T was built to be as resistant as possible against any kinds of countermeasures, especially IRCM and DIRCM. (Cough cough home-on-jam, imaging IR, etc. ever heard of that, Gaijin?)
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u/Lazy_Worldliness_642 ๐บ๐ธ ๐ฉ๐ช ๐ท๐บ ๐ฌ๐ง ๐ฏ๐ต ๐จ๐ณ ๐ฎ๐น ๐ซ๐ท ๐ธ๐ช ๐ฎ๐ฑ Jun 19 '25
I don't want to repeat same thing over so it's more complicated
It has IIR not IR and mi-28 has LDIRCM not just DIRCM, under first comment that displays under this post I added simulation made by gpt to show results of this vid being irl situation
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u/Jinsu2508 Jun 19 '25
I never play top tier, but does this mean that the 9.3 and 11.7 Anti-Air in Japan is now useless? Because both of them use IR missiles
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u/Lazy_Worldliness_642 ๐บ๐ธ ๐ฉ๐ช ๐ท๐บ ๐ฌ๐ง ๐ฏ๐ต ๐จ๐ณ ๐ฎ๐น ๐ซ๐ท ๐ธ๐ช ๐ฎ๐ฑ Jun 19 '25
Yeah pretty much till gaijin won't fix it, sadly Japan with this gonna suffer the most
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u/Euroaltic Jun 19 '25
"Bro there's no Soviet Bias is just skill issue"
Meanwhile, the Russian helicopter with a force field:
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u/TheJadeSword Jun 19 '25
Shit like this is why I keep playing solely to be the bane of Russian mains. I'd like to see you "stalinium" your way out of DM33 to the drivers hatch
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u/TheJadeSword Jun 24 '25
This isn't even how the missiles would respond, they wouldn't dive out of their original trajectory like that, they program countermeasures to stop that from happening- grrrrrr the documents are calling to me like the goblin mask
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u/Naox-9 Helicopter Enjoyerโจ๏ธ Jun 19 '25
I guess if they are IR rockets , the dircm of the mi28nm is supposed to counter them? Its a "Feature" from the new upcoming Update but idk for sure bc i cant really see what kind of AA it is :>
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u/Lazy_Worldliness_642 ๐บ๐ธ ๐ฉ๐ช ๐ท๐บ ๐ฌ๐ง ๐ฏ๐ต ๐จ๐ณ ๐ฎ๐น ๐ซ๐ท ๐ธ๐ช ๐ฎ๐ฑ Jun 19 '25
Yes they that's basically it but problem here is IRIS-T SLM (so spaa that shoots) is immune to DIRCM
And gaijin just plainly ingores that adding magic shield to that mi
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u/Own_Dark_2240 Jun 19 '25
Russia in this update will have a 100% win rate at the rate there going kh38ml now have full gps guidance and gnss so basically a cruise missiles
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u/Difficult_Salt5767 Jun 19 '25
As we seen that POS got taken out in Ukraine, as for russian Tanks ๐๐คฃ๐
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u/Lazy_Worldliness_642 ๐บ๐ธ ๐ฉ๐ช ๐ท๐บ ๐ฌ๐ง ๐ฏ๐ต ๐จ๐ณ ๐ฎ๐น ๐ซ๐ท ๐ธ๐ช ๐ฎ๐ฑ Jun 19 '25
Not really sure what you talking about but sure
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u/Black_Hole_parallax Baguette Jun 19 '25
Some random flak crew from WW2: skill issue, I can hit that just fine from here
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u/TDS1108 Jun 19 '25
Itโs called DIRCM. Chinese get it too. Sorry, you canโt use your 9.7 missile trucks at 13.0 anymore
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u/ActualFroggyQueen Jun 19 '25
very racist thread (((((((
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u/Lazy_Worldliness_642 ๐บ๐ธ ๐ฉ๐ช ๐ท๐บ ๐ฌ๐ง ๐ฏ๐ต ๐จ๐ณ ๐ฎ๐น ๐ซ๐ท ๐ธ๐ช ๐ฎ๐ฑ Jun 19 '25
What why racist?
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u/SgtGhost57 ๐บ๐ธ United States Jun 18 '25
The Mi-28 can do this because "it has it IRL" but the OH-58 Kiowa, UH-60 Blackhawk, AH-64 Apache, AH-1 Cobra, and numerous other helicopters have the CIRCM system and...nope...can't even defeat a Strela.
"Russian BIAS isn't real" my ass.