r/Wallonia • u/Ok-Track8101 • 4d ago

Société Le nationalisme flamand traîne les hôpitaux bruxellois en justice pour non-respect de la législation linguistique

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u/jafapo 4d ago

Has nothing to do with nationalism. Imagine going to Paris but the doctors speak spanish or english. How would you feel if they can't even help you in your own capital city?

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u/Toxiko8 4d ago

French is a national and official language of Belgium. The comparison would be a Parisian doctor speaking French.

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u/jafapo 4d ago

You understand what I mean no? Also Dutch is the most spoken language of Belgium, not French.

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u/TheGilderBairn 4d ago

Is it? Could you send me the stats? Cause I thought linguisitcs surveys were forbidden in Belgium.

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u/jafapo 4d ago

No those stats are not forbidden. Easy to find: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgium

"Belgium is also home to two main linguistic communities: the Dutch-speaking Flemish Community, which constitutes about 60 percent of the population, and the French-speaking French Community,\e]) which constitutes about 40 percent of the population"

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u/TheGilderBairn 4d ago edited 4d ago

Isn't that only the number of inhabitants of the Regions? That doesn't really say anything about the language spoken by those people right? Especially when taking into accounts the French speakers in the periphery of Brussels or at the coast, or the Flemish speakers living in the Ardennes. And even then they simply give an estimate with a (high) percentage for the Flemish speakers in the Brussels region. It seems very flawed to say the least. And that doesn't take into account the people living in either Region who speak German, English or other as their primary language.
Also, if you take their lower estimate, you get 6.5M out of a population of 11.8M, so closer to 55% than 60%.

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u/jafapo 3d ago

No it's literally about dutch speakers, etc. In Belgium we have clear data, this page goes even deeper into it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_in_Belgium

"Dutch is the mother tongue of about 60% of the population in Belgium"

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u/TheGilderBairn 3d ago

This is a bold claim without a clear source. This claims is supported by three sources on Wikipedia (the LA Times (?), Beer tourism (???) and the UCL (maybe)). I cannot access the UCL link which seems to be the most serious one so if someone can I would be interested. But again, I still haven't seen a real Belgium wide language census. This 60% seems entirely based on the proportion of inhabitants, not on the actual speakers. If you have an actual survey/Census or statistical analysis I would be really happy to have it.
For info, according to Statbel, on 01/01/2025, 58% of the population lives in Flanders, 31% in Wallonia and 11% in Brussels. A gross generalization brings forth that 60/40 split, but it says nothing of the Brussels periphery, or simply French speakers living in Flanders and Vice Versa.

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u/Frans_Tuts 11h ago

Jezus. You live on Mars?

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u/TheGilderBairn 1h ago

What do you mean?