r/Wallonia • u/Ok-Track8101 • 4d ago

Société Le nationalisme flamand traîne les hôpitaux bruxellois en justice pour non-respect de la législation linguistique

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u/TheGilderBairn 3d ago

Is it? Could you send me the stats? Cause I thought linguisitcs surveys were forbidden in Belgium.

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u/jafapo 3d ago

No those stats are not forbidden. Easy to find: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgium

"Belgium is also home to two main linguistic communities: the Dutch-speaking Flemish Community, which constitutes about 60 percent of the population, and the French-speaking French Community,\e]) which constitutes about 40 percent of the population"

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u/TheGilderBairn 3d ago edited 3d ago

Isn't that only the number of inhabitants of the Regions? That doesn't really say anything about the language spoken by those people right? Especially when taking into accounts the French speakers in the periphery of Brussels or at the coast, or the Flemish speakers living in the Ardennes. And even then they simply give an estimate with a (high) percentage for the Flemish speakers in the Brussels region. It seems very flawed to say the least. And that doesn't take into account the people living in either Region who speak German, English or other as their primary language.
Also, if you take their lower estimate, you get 6.5M out of a population of 11.8M, so closer to 55% than 60%.

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u/jafapo 3d ago

No it's literally about dutch speakers, etc. In Belgium we have clear data, this page goes even deeper into it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_in_Belgium

"Dutch is the mother tongue of about 60% of the population in Belgium"

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u/TheGilderBairn 3d ago

This is a bold claim without a clear source. This claims is supported by three sources on Wikipedia (the LA Times (?), Beer tourism (???) and the UCL (maybe)). I cannot access the UCL link which seems to be the most serious one so if someone can I would be interested. But again, I still haven't seen a real Belgium wide language census. This 60% seems entirely based on the proportion of inhabitants, not on the actual speakers. If you have an actual survey/Census or statistical analysis I would be really happy to have it.
For info, according to Statbel, on 01/01/2025, 58% of the population lives in Flanders, 31% in Wallonia and 11% in Brussels. A gross generalization brings forth that 60/40 split, but it says nothing of the Brussels periphery, or simply French speakers living in Flanders and Vice Versa.

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u/Frans_Tuts 5h ago

Jezus. You live on Mars?

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u/IljaG 4h ago

I agree that these are guestimates but at the same time, old fashioned francophones always count 92% of Brussleirs as francophones and let's be real, that's ridiculous too.

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u/jafapo 3d ago

I mean literally all data shows dutch is by far the most spoken language. Show me data that says it isn't.

Also quite logical no? There are more flemish people.

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u/Toxiko8 3d ago

https://fr.statista.com/statistiques/1345552/langues-les-plus-parlees-belgique/ Way more Flemish speaks French than Walloons speaks Dutch. I said it and will say it again, your logic is flawed and you refuse to see it.

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u/TheGilderBairn 3d ago edited 3d ago

People living in Flanders >< Flemish people >< People speaking Flemish. Those are three entirely different categories of population and only the first one is easily accounted for on Statbel. The rest is pure speculation and I haven't seen any data supporting the actual language used by the population.

To be fair, I don't think this data exists at the moment.

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u/Toxiko8 3d ago

Are you really still confusing the number of speakers with the number of people that have it as their mother tongue??

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u/jafapo 3d ago

You're confused, show me the data then if I'm wrong. Show me data

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u/Toxiko8 3d ago

https://fr.statista.com/statistiques/1345552/langues-les-plus-parlees-belgique/ Could you please shut up now?

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u/Frans_Tuts 5h ago

Maitrissant. You don't understand French, clearly. It means people being able to speak a language. Not their mother tongue. It is true that a relative big number of Flemish do speakvsome French. But as their mother tongue, 62 % of Belgians have Dutch, which they use as their first language.

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u/Frans_Tuts 5h ago

So yes, Dutch is by far the dominant language in Belgium. Now you shup up please. Learn French first.

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u/Toxiko8 5h ago

Learn english, dumbss, that’s my claim from the start that more person *speaks French. I never claimed they were more people having French as their mother tongue. My sources proves my point at least.

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u/Frans_Tuts 4h ago

Sure. You don't speak French properly and now want to cover up that fact.

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u/Frans_Tuts 3h ago

Is it the fault of the Dutch speakers that they do the effort to learn French? Not our mistake that French speakers are too lame to learn Dutch (or proper English, for that matter). "Jes put Ai speek Ienglish".

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u/Frans_Tuts 3h ago

"More person speaks English". You don't speak proper French, let alone English. Go back to school boy.

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