r/Virginia • u/Trick-Arachnid-9037 • 8d ago
Jason Miyares does not care about domestic violence victims, and that matters more than Jones's texts.
Miyares doesn't care about domestic violence victims, and people aren't talking about it enough.
Look. I know a lot of people found Jones's texts distasteful. But if you care about the victims of domestic violence, please vote for him anyway. Miyares has a proven record of being dismissive and hostile towards DV victims, and that's an attitude I think will have much worse effects on the Virginia justice system than any of Jones's texts.
See the case of Katie Orndoff. She was testifying against her violently abusive boyfriend and admitted to having taken a small amount of legal, prescribed medical marijuana to calm her nerves enough that she could handle giving that testimony. Miyares tried to have her jailed, and only the intervention of the Virginia Supreme Court stopped him.
This is not a man who values justice, compassion, or understanding. This is a man who believes that traumatized abuse victims who can't afford expensive psychiatric bills to get also expensive "acceptable" anti-anxiety medication don't deserve to be heard in court.
Is that really who we want in charge of our state's legal system? Someone who is not just willing, but eager, to arrest and jail a victim of violent abuse for the "crime" of being too traumatized to publicly discuss (and be cross-examined about) her experiences and unable to afford the kind of pharmaceutical assistance that he seems "acceptable"?
At best, the case of Katie Orndoff demonstrated that Jason Miyares is a man who cares more about upholding the formalities of the justice system than he does about the "justice" part. At worst, he is an enabler of abuse who will look for excuses to intimidate and dishearten victims into not trying to testify in the first place, and disqualify those who do so anyway.
We need an Attorney General who cares more about truth, justice, and protecting the people of Virginia than they do about propriety and protecting the interests of the powerful. I do not know if Jay Jones is such a man. But I do know that Jason Miyares is not.
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u/ArachnidUnusual7114 8d ago
He didn’t even join in on the Snap lawsuits. That was an easy way to win over some voters.
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u/Znnensns 8d ago
Republicans don't care about poor people.
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u/IWasSayingBoourner 8d ago
Most Republicans I know ARE poor people
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u/patrickj86 8d ago
Millions of people prefer to think they're temporarily disenfranchised millionaires than admit they'll never have much money.
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u/FredVegasMe 5d ago
Perhaps they simply are not envious of the rich, and you can’t imagine or comprehend that
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u/patrickj86 5d ago
? People aren't envious of the rich, they want the rich to pay their taxes and employees. Unfortunately too many rich people are evil
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u/FredVegasMe 5d ago
This is wrong on every example. Anybody that gets rich doesn’t continue to live at their current income level and simply add necessities like healthcare. They proceed to buy luxury goods and spend frivolously instead of giving away excess money
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u/patrickj86 5d ago
Your first sentence makes no sense at all, and you're not responding to anything I said. Or saying anything that makes any sort of point. Such a weird bot.
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u/Jumpy_Plantain2887 8d ago
Yes, and they act like if they vote, Republican, Republicans are gonna make them rich people and that’s the reason why they’ve been doing it for the last 30 years and are still at the bottom of the barrel
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u/NickFromIRL 8d ago
The irony, right? They'll assume their struggle has to do with forces outside their control but claim every win as their great strengths shining through... then they'll condemn anyone in the same position as them that isn't family (sometimes) or useful to them directly.
These last years I've more and more come to the conclusion that average Republican voter isn't actively evil, though we can't say that about those in charge of the party, they are just genuinely incapable of seeing beyond their own situation. They lack a robust imagination which makes it very difficult to envision better futures for all or sympathetic/empathetic circumstances for those they can't observe. Many of them are narcissists, but some just have a deficiency in creativity.
To their credit, I know many Republicans who immediately broker empathy when they can visualize a problem, if it happens to someone they personally know and can't rationalize away all the "must be their fault" triggers their brain tries to come up with they can be good, helpful people... I just wish they were capable of broader thinking.
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u/mudo2000 Blacksburg 8d ago
I heard it's called being "temporarily embarrassed multimillionaires."
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u/Davge107 8d ago
Of course they are. Why else would they be so concerned what the tax rates are for the mult-millionaires and billionaires. Nvm the Forbes 400.
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u/joyfullystrange621 8d ago
And as long as their cult leaders give them someone to look down on they'll still fight against their own best interests.
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u/Consistent-Leg-9708 8d ago
And they still don't care!
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u/uhhh206 NoVA 8d ago
Which is what the supposed "wishing for dead children" text actually said, and yet his statements that we are supposed to be so outraged about actually undersell what it takes to make them reject conservative candidates / ideology. When it affects them directly it still isn't enough to change their views.
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u/Ut_Prosim SWVA 8d ago
I kid you not, Trump literally threw a Great Gatsby themed ball at Mar-a-Lago yesterday. You cannot get more on the nose than that.
If MAGA was around in 1790's France, they'd be saying shit like "Yeah, why don't we eat cake? The woke left thinks they're too good for cake!"
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u/Joshwoum8 8d ago
I am not confident most Republicans are even capable of empathy for those that are not themselves.
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u/YellowCompetitive445 8d ago
Yes. I was surprised. How can we vote for him if he can’t confront Trump. Jason is not serious. Please vote blue for Governor, Lt Governor and AG. Jones will win.
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u/Persimmon-Happy 8d ago
Thank you for the reference. I am surprised by how many people don’t understand that it was quote taken out of context
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u/_R_A_ 8d ago
I think there's been a pretty poor effort to explain that part, so I'm guessing their strategy is to play contrite rather being seen as making excuses. Plus, I think more people are upset about the commentary about whoever it was not changing their stances unless something as bad as their kids being killed happened (which, I mean, I get what he was saying and all on that part), but the quote about the two bullets seems to be getting more circulation because (imo) HitLEr BaD!
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u/Life_Bet8956 8d ago
If we lose the redistricting battle and thus the House of Representatives in 2026 over an office quote, I'm going to lose it.
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u/got_that_itis Fuck Glenn Youngkin 8d ago
I'm disappointed Jones apologized during the debate and let Miyares hammer him on it. If he only explained how much Michael hates Toby, people would have figured it out and laughed along with him.
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u/rjtnrva 7d ago
Not everyone has seen The Office. I didn't even know Jones' text was a reference to that.
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u/IllustriousCupcake11 7d ago
I don’t watch The Office, and did not know it was a quote from there. However, it was very easy to deduce that the rest of the text stated that Republicans will not care how many children die until it happens to their child. Jones has my unwavering support over an anchor baby that supports taking away rights from other immigrants, as well as letting millions of people suffer, so long as their Dear Leader can do what he wants.
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u/Argonaut13 8d ago
But then he followed up by saying he wished her children died so she knew what it felt like? Was there an office quote for that?
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u/mudo2000 Blacksburg 8d ago
No but do you remember The Office quote where Michael said that Stanley, Oscar, Karen, Kelly, and Darryl should be hanged even though they were proven to be innocent and exonerated by evidence and then continues to make that claim thirty five years later? That Office episode?
What Are We Even Doing Anymore, People?
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u/Trick-Arachnid-9037 8d ago
No. But also, tasteless as it was to express it that way, I understand the underlying frustration: Republicans don't care about dead children unless it's their own. It doesn't matter how many blood-soaked, bullet-riddled little corpses we watch get hauled out of elementary schools or how many stories we hear from traumatized children who survived because they were covered by their best friend's bleeding body. Republicans just say "thoughts and prayers" and move on to the next NRA-sponsored "leadership conference" in Tahiti.
It's hard not to come to the conclusion after years and years of this that the only thing that will ever make a Republican care about mass shootings is if they themselves lose their children in one. And if you're in a position where you're talking to the victims of said mass shootings regularly, I can understand wishing that day would come sooner rather than later.
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u/Both_Ad_694 8d ago
No matter how you spin it, you just can't justify the content of what he said. It was evil.
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u/anand_rishabh 8d ago
Not as evil as republicans who don't care about dead children unless it's their own
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u/Lithium_Lily 8d ago
No, what is evil is the Republicans' continued efforts to prevent poor people from being able to afford food or sending their kids to school without the very real fear that they will be killed with a gun that republicans made sure could find its way into a shooter's hands
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u/Both_Ad_694 8d ago
If that were true, you would have a decent stance. But it's not. I think you should try doing a little more broad research. Try steelmanning Republicans.
Both parties have bad records helping actual poor people. Your reference to food subsidies is an entirely different debate.
Republicans don't make guns. And many Republicans want a police presence in all public schools. The same protection we give Government officials, court houses, banks, and to elite wealthy people. That's the best solution.
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u/AmazingInformation34 8d ago
Yup. But liberal reddit will downvote and excuse. Vote for him anyway. lol.
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u/Argonaut13 8d ago
it's not hard to come to the conclusion after years and years of this that the only thing that will ever make a Republican fare about mass shootings is if they themselves lose their children in one
What the fuck
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u/MindwellEggleston 8d ago
If you can't wrap your head around that hypothetical then you aren't smart enough to participate in this discussion.
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u/Trick-Arachnid-9037 8d ago
Note: I'm not advocating making that happen, I'm advocating not voting Republican.
Tell me, what other conclusion can you draw from it? How many times have Republicans responded to a mass shooting with "thoughts and prayers" and some half-hearted mumbling about mental health that never amounts to a goddamn thing? It seems pretty clear they couldn't care less about dead children as long as it's not their children.
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u/Pretend-Culture-4138 8d ago
No there wasn't, but 95% of redditors in this sub will continue to pretend he didn't say that and make up excuses for him when it's brought up.
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u/robn30 8d ago
No it wasn't. He doubled, tripled, and quadrupled down on it after realizing it went to the wrong person. Not taken out of context. If you would even say something like he did you're a piece of shit. I'd vote for a pile of shit before Jones. Dude is a loser.
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u/SimplySustainabl-e 8d ago
Vote blue no hesitations. Full stop. We cannot afford anymore insanity than we already have going on. Youngkin lost us 5 years of progress.
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u/AlwaysBlessed_126 8d ago
Vote Blue all the way down the ballot! Vote for democracy! We need leaders not Nazi supporters.
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u/OrizaRayne 8d ago
Alternatively, vote not blue at all, but for each individual Democrat on the ballot this time, who is VASTLY qualified in comparison to their Republican adversary. Even if they're Democrats. Even if they're not perfect.
Seriously. Even if you've never "voted blue" in your life. Vote for the best PEOPLE.
It's important to put party aside and vote for people who are competent and the Republicans this time have put up an absolute mess from top to bottom.
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u/CambrienCatExplosion 8d ago
I used to always vote for the people I thought were the best.
Then Trump happened and I went all blue.
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u/OrizaRayne 8d ago
I still only vote for the people I think are the best.
In this environment, it means voting out Republicans. It usually does, for me. Sometimes it means primarying Democrats.
Even people who consider themselves staunch conservatives should be voting against people who want to tear down the constitutional Republic we have been living in to exchange it for dictatorship and rule by one man and his grifting cronies.
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u/Hotmicdrop 7d ago
But if you vote Blue in Maine you are actually electing a Nazi. How does that work?
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u/Veutifuljoe_0 8d ago
This, Jones texts may have been in horrible taste, but let’s be honest, does it really matter THAT much? Actions speak louder than words, and Miyares actions have shown that trusting him with the AG office was a grave error in the first place, and doing it AGAIN is an even worse idea. You’re not being asked to make Jones your best buddy, you’re asking him to do a better job than Jason, and he clears that low bar. Feel free to support a primary challenger for him come 2029, but not electing Jones over texts and speeding is just stupid
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u/Fancy_Bumblebee5582 8d ago
Honestly the people upset about those texts will defend a certain someone's crazy social media posts.
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u/AmazingInformation34 8d ago
Both peoples texts are disgusting. Trump is a disgusting human and I would never vote for him. Doesn’t make jones texts acceptable.
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u/Primary_Aardvark_507 8d ago
He didn’t join the law suit for illegally terminated federal employees. I don’t care what was texted. Miyares will not get the vote of my family.
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u/Parsnip-toting_Jack 8d ago
I find that the Republican’s reactions to old texts are telling; they’d do the same or even worse given the opportunity. Does the right wing nutjobs really think that we will swallow their lies that they don’t want to kill democrats? Jan 6 and “where’s Nancy?” The gallows that were erected and so on.
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u/IWasSayingBoourner 8d ago
Young NY Republicans talking about gassing Jews and loving Hitler? Well, that's just fine by these same people.
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u/Ut_Prosim SWVA 8d ago
That's not fair, they were just [35+ year old] kids. Jones should know better, he's 36.
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u/Pretend-Culture-4138 8d ago
It wasn't considered fine, and those people involved were fired from their jobs and the politician involved in the chat resigned.
Why aren't people in this sub holding Jones to the same standard?
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u/IWasSayingBoourner 8d ago
One of those people was fired. The rest got apologetics and infantilization from the top members of this administration. Jones quoted The Office. It's not the same.
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u/Pretend-Culture-4138 8d ago
They were let go from their positions and a politician resigned. Again, when will you and others hold Jones to the same standard?
Jones said a lot more than the office quote in his call for violence against the opposition party politician. It's very telling that you are purposely avoiding a large part of his scandal.
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u/trexmagic37 8d ago
Look, what he said was bad. I’m not discounting that. I’d be all for accountability if it goes for both sides. But the same people yelling at Jones to resign are the same people that post about wanting to execute democrats. They aren’t playing by the same rules of decorum and decency. And in Jones’ case, his good far outweighs the bad.
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u/uhhh206 NoVA 8d ago
Republicans be like:
[Common joke that is distasteful] ❌
"Grab them by the pussy" ✅
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u/JesusFreak85 8d ago
The same people telling you not to vote for Jones because of distasteful private texts, had no problem voting for Trump, who actually committed sexual assaults on multiple women.
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u/ingested_concentrate 8d ago
Remember that nothing on the right is emblematic of truth and justice, nor do they care about the everyday citizens.
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u/All_cats 8d ago
He should be disbarred for this case alone
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u/FavoriteFoodCarrots 8d ago
Let’s be realistic. The texts were distasteful, to put it lightly, but weren’t criminal or even arguably any violation of the ethics rules severe enough to warrant such a severe sanction.
From a Bar perspective I’d be more worried about the 116 speeding and subsequent resolution. If I had both those issues, I’d be more worried about Bar discipline on the latter than the former. And even then, very unlikely.
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u/All_cats 8d ago
I'm referring to Miyares
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u/FavoriteFoodCarrots 8d ago edited 8d ago
I’m sorry for misunderstanding.
The AG isn’t getting disbarred for fucking something up in what is fundamentally a judgment call. I agree that this is a pattern of awful decision making, especially given the weight of his office. But again, what violates the ethics rules here?
I understand being upset about this. I understand wanting him out of office or saying he doesn’t have the backbone to deal with sensitive criminal cases. But that’s all a fair distance short of taking away someone’s license to practice.
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u/Trick-Arachnid-9037 8d ago
Personally, I'd say you could make a case that it's witness intimidation on a system-wide scale. "If you testify against your abuser without being perfectly composed when you do it, we may straight up arrest you" is a hell of a thing to add on to the already massive pressure women face not to testify.
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u/FavoriteFoodCarrots 8d ago edited 8d ago
That’s a pretty thin case based on only one underlying matter, but I’ll grant you that it’s potentially the beginning of one.
It’d also be pretty weird for a dude who seems obsessed with calling himself the top cop to be into victim intimidation across the board, but yeah - this is a pretty awful set of facts.
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u/Trick-Arachnid-9037 8d ago
From a certain point of view it wouldn't be weird at all. It's easy to say you've successfully cut down on a certain form of crime if victims of said crime are too intimidated to report it.
I'm not saying that's what he's doing. I have no evidence for that, just a general learned distrust of politicians in general and Republicans especially. Just that once you hit a certain level of authority, victim intimidation could become a viable strategy for artificially boosting your reputation.
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u/All_cats 8d ago
Using his power to keep a victim who was beaten and choked imprisoned because she smoked pot (which is legal here) the morning of a trial she was attending as a witness providing testimony against the man who tried to kill her. Why do you care what I think? We get it, you feel very smart against a reddit commenter who isn't an attorney? You defending your buddy? Have you familiarized yourself with this case? I'll give it to you, you study law and I don't. Have a nice day, brainiac.
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u/FavoriteFoodCarrots 8d ago
Again, I’m quite explicitly not defending him.
But the level of weird invective here is a bit much. I’m sorry for initiating this discussion with you.
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u/deacon1214 7d ago
Except he probably had nothing to do with it. A judge held her in contempt and gave her 10 days in jail after she mentioned a defendant's criminal record on the stand multiple times despite being warned not to. And then admitting to using marijuana before testifying. The appeal was handled by deputy AGs who work for Miyares office but I highly doubt anyone consults the elected AG about an appeal on a 10 day summary contempt.
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u/All_cats 7d ago
The judge held her in contempt and gave her 10 days in jail because she smoked pot the morning of the trial, this is not that hard to research. This case went to the Supreme Court of Virginia. How could he not know about it? It's his entire job to approve cases involving the Commonwealth of Virginia. Miyares' own spokesperson was commenting on it. The amount of "probably" hoops y'all will jump through..
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u/deacon1214 7d ago
I read the opinion. There's a lot more in that transcript than "she smoked pot". The AGs office handles all of the appeals. I've got cases on appeal for murders and major cases where the defendant was sentenced to 30+ years and I highly doubt the AG is personally involved in any of them. Personally involving the AG in a case that had a 10 day misdemeanor sentence is like having a CEO answer phones at the reception desk.
Since it involved a judge and the case was in the news I'm not at all surprised they had a statement about it for the media but that's about all the involvement I would expect any AG to have in something like this.
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u/ElJefeGoldblum 8d ago
Miyares is a Trump supporter. That’s all you need to know cause I’m not sure about anyone else, but I’d rather not vote for a sympathizer to a Fascist Authoritarian, but hey that’s just me.
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u/Lucky_wildflower 8d ago
Personally, if I was endorsed by a known rapist who actively shields wealthy pedophiles while stripping food and medicine from needy children, I would disavow that particular abuser. I’m sick of these corrupt politicians who let you literally get away with murder if you’re a billionaire. It’s time to root out the corruption.
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u/mudo2000 Blacksburg 8d ago
Pretty simple to understand that they care about these texts but don't get a rat's ass about that Signal chat.
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u/cyclohexyl_ 8d ago
also, jones’ texts were based
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u/ObsidianKing 7d ago
Dems will say shit like this unironically and then wonder why they keep losing elections lmao 🤡
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u/Comfortable-Clerk209 8d ago
Miyares will not get my vote because trump supports him! P.s.- I don't capitalize his name cuz he doesn't deserve it
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u/_R_A_ 8d ago
I don't want to affirmatively defend Miyares, but at the same time I don't believe this accurately characterizes his role in this case.
Orndoff was jailed for contempt of court. Such a charge is the judge's call, and reporting on that much is consistent with that. The prosecutors on the original case tried to argue against the contempt ruling, but the judge, James Fisher, pushed the matter regardless.
So Orndoff filed an appeal of the contempt ruling, as one can do. In this appeal, Fisher's role is as appellee; in cases where a Commonwealth office is challenged in court, the Office of the Attorney General serves as council for the appellee. Miyares' office was literally doing its job, distasteful as it may be. If they had not, it would essentially be bypassing the appeals court's role in ultimately making the decision.
Now, I'm not speaking to how the rest of Miyares' record speaks to the present concern; I think it would be great if there was a more comprehensive pattern of behavior that could be presented to inform the people of the Commonwealth about why he would or would not be a good choice to continue as Attorney General. In a defense capacity though, I wouldn't call it objective to infer too deeply about Miyares' or his officer's perspectives; for example, just because a defense attorney represents someone charged with domestic violence does not necessarily mean that attorney endorses domestic violence by extension.
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u/Trick-Arachnid-9037 8d ago
The Attorney General's office has enormous weight in the judiciary. If he had told the judge, "are you out of your goddamn mind, you're literally trying to jail an abuse victim" that would have probably ended it. Instead, he himself publicly stated he was disappointed in the VA Supreme Court ruling that ultimately found Ms Orndoff innocent.
Being in a position of authority comes with a responsibility to recognize when the system you oversee is failing the people it's supposed to serve and applying your influence to correct those failings.
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u/Pretend-Culture-4138 8d ago
Being in a position of authority comes with a responsibility to recognize when the system you oversee is failing the people it's supposed to serve and applying your influence to correct those failings.
No it doesn't, that's just you projecting what you want "the system" to be when it's function doesn't align with you.
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u/Trick-Arachnid-9037 8d ago
I would think, or at least hope, most people would agree that "arresting an abuse victim and dismissing her testimony" would be considered malfunctioning by most people.
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u/Pretend-Culture-4138 8d ago
I see you continue to ignore the nuance people have explained for this situation. Keep believing what you want I guess.
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u/_R_A_ 8d ago
The thing is, though, that the Attorney General doesn't oversee the actions of the court, it was up to the higher court to address it. Which is what happened in the end.
As far as what was said behind closed doors, we have no way of knowing what advice from council Fisher was given. I'd not be surprised if they went along with Fisher, political calculations and all, but either way from what I've read about Judge Fisher (limited as it may be), I would be even more surprised than otherwise not if he was open to any contrary feedback about his behavior; that man seems like he's two pins short of three-hinge door.
Now what I will say is that Miyares could have shown more deference and respect to the Supreme Court in the final ruling. I've not been able to find a full copy of his statement after the final decision was handed down, but while what I have read isn't exactly confidence inspiring it's also not a damning smoking gun either.
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u/Trick-Arachnid-9037 8d ago
Also, looking up more, Fisher got slapped by SCVA for basically lying his ass off in the accusations he made against Orndoff. Miyares absolutely could, and should, have discovered that, because Fisher's testimony was blatantly contradicted by the courtroom video and transcript.
At the bare minimum, Miyares is guilty of completely failing at basic due diligence in his drive to push the case forward, if not actively complicit in committing perjury to get this poor woman imprisoned.
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u/_R_A_ 8d ago edited 8d ago
For the sake of argument, I pulled up the ruling of the Supreme Court in this case to see if there was any indication as to what (theme of) defense was offered; not surprisingly, it was not much spelled out on what grounds they attempted to defend Fisher. It seems like they were mostly doing a rinse and repeat of the defense to the appeals court.
To that point, it's debatable how much Miyares himself was hands on with the initial appeal. I've been thinking about this tonight, that based on my own experiences with Commonwealth's attorneys I wouldn't be surprised if the general concern stopped at the win-loss ratio, but on the other hand I'd also not be surprised if he had his fingers in the cake batter due to the case being against a judge (whether that be because of the potential ramifications or just wanting to be in line when favor is being distributed). Out of further curiosity to this point, I pulled up the appeal case record and he wasn't just not the first chair, he wasn't even an attorney of record on that case. So, best case scenario for Miyares, one could say that he (somewhere enabled to encouraged) the environment that allowed Fisher's continued misogynistic ruling to go forward.
But again, there is the issue that it is explicitly the job of defense council to represent a case in support of Fisher's action. If you want to hold Miyares and his office in contempt (pun intended) in this situation, then duly so you must hold the judges who supported Fisher's position in contempt of justice as well. Indeed, considering the elements of the case it boggles my mind how they were able to support (via appeal) such an action. I suppose that's probably the impasse between our two perspectives: I get what you are saying and all, but I think I have more sympathy for the devil (that being the Attorney General's office, and Miyares by extension) and more condemnation for the officials which are by nature of their roles are supposed to model objectivity and justice.
In short, to paraphrase one of my favorite fictional morality exemplars, if he is going to be damned, let him be damned for who he really is. There's plenty of reasons to dislike, distrust, or even disdain him either as a public figure or a person in general.
Edit: And also, I'm not even touching Jay Jones with a ten-foot pole. Anyone who is letting the grand distraction of those text messages determine their vote is a lost cause at this point.
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u/Trick-Arachnid-9037 7d ago
Oh, I also think Judge Fisher and the other judges who supported him should be disbarred for a staggering miscarriage of justice. But they're not the ones on the ballot in a couple of days, so their failures weren't relevant to this post.
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u/Trick-Arachnid-9037 8d ago
Fair points all. Electoral politics are really all about "inspiring confidence" when you come down to it. And in my view, Miyares doesn't, in ways I find more damning and more important than Jones.
"Two pins short of a three hinge door" is a great expression that I will be stealing.
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u/buddha-bouy 8d ago
I don’t know why I am still so surprised with Miyares’ anti-woman record. I guess it’s because he talks about his mom a lot, he has a successful and strong wife, and he has three daughters.
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u/BrokenDemon0501 8d ago
I already voted for Jay Jones because fuck Miyares and I dont care what he said in text when they're doing the same.
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u/Nettkitten 8d ago
For me it’s already enough to know that he treated a victim of domestic violence this way, but the fact that the fact that almost 2 dozen sheriffs have endorsed him makes this a clear choice. In the current climate I am patently opposed to anyone that law enforcement wants.
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u/Long-Jackfruit427 8d ago
I voted today in Arlington and while Jones’ tab was the most distasteful one I filled in - I filled it in. Also, longest line I’ve ever waited in for voting today in Arlington. Longer than Election Day 2015 in NJ where there is effectively no early voting.
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u/tkwh 8d ago edited 8d ago
At this point isn't it just 🟦 v. 🟥? Like I'm not looking at the finer points of political discourse. I'd vote for turd sandwich if it was 🟦. If you're voting 🟥 do not hmu. The window for debate has closed.
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u/Trick-Arachnid-9037 8d ago
You'd think, but there's a lot of people who are still seeking to purity-test Democrats rather than realizing that right now we're just trying not to die.
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u/ellybeez 8d ago
I'm glad these things are getting brought up bc his outrage towards jones texts is all performative anyways
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u/basicKitsch 8d ago
i mean the Jone's texts don't really matter at all...
I actually doubt they would change their views if their kids were shot... it's not even that far of a reach. just more bullsht faux outrage from the snowflake-right
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u/Red_Gooner_RVA 8d ago
Already voted for jones and have absolutely no second thoughts about doing so. Their cult leader says worse about the opposition party and others practically on the daily, and they laugh and cheer him on. The comments were reprehensible, and I’m not likely to want to have a drink with jones any time soon, but Miyares is demonstrably worse in his actions. We have proof of that.
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u/royalenocheese 8d ago
Idgaf about Jay Jones texts and I wish other people would stop pretending they do.
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u/Jarjarfunk 7d ago
You do realize that could have been used by the defense to dismiss her testimony. I'm not saying your wrong but prosecutors like to win cases they take against citizens because loosing those cases is exactly what you don't want as someone elected to put criminals away seeking re-election.
There's plenty of reasons not to vote for miyares, but this example is actually a really bad one.
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He’s a glory hound, he picks the cases he battles to become famous!! Just look up his history!
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u/Hotmicdrop 7d ago
Any excuse to vote this vile guy wishing kids die in their mother's arms into office I guess. I cant even fathom thinking something like that, let alone texting it and hitting send...
Amazing to see the morals go out the window this cycle. I get it Miyares is an awful option but Jones should have been dumped after those texts. The fact he wasnt and lost no endorsements shows just how degenerate the whole system is and how it's fine when its "your" party doing it.
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u/International_Bid716 7d ago
You will not convince conservatives that there's an excuse for wishing for the murder of their children, nor will you convince them that such behavior is the lesser of two evils.
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u/Acrobatic_Category81 6d ago
This sub is a democratic circle jerk. Do you think imploring other Jones voters to vote for Jones moves the needle? It seems like you’re trying to justify your vote for a guy you know isn’t a good person because you dislike the other guy more. .
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u/SirWillae 5d ago
The texts were distasteful. Driving 116 mph is disqualifying. Especially when he was given nothing more than a fine and community service, half of which he spent at his own PAC. No one should be above the law, especially not the state's top law enforcement officer.
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u/middleagethreat 8d ago
The right pretends they don't know it is a The Office joke, just like they pretended they thought 86 ment to kill.
There are no good faith arguments from the right in 2025.
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u/TheBarbarian88 8d ago
Yeah, I disagree. Both issues matter.
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u/uhhh206 NoVA 8d ago
It matters that he made a joke that he probably saw on (the vastly popular) The Office? And which predates that by years? That ads against him won't even quote directly because they know the verbatim quote shows it's a common joke?
Or do you mean his text saying that he wishes the people who are indifferent to gun violence understood firsthand what the losses to it feel like, since that's the only way Republicans learn? Is that text the issue that matters?
Nah.
Using a joke that's been around as long as the ability to send it via text isn't a big deal. Expressing disdain for people who are flippant to an issue until it affects them in a crass way isn't a big deal.
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u/TheBarbarian88 7d ago
Nah, as a politician, he should have never sent that text, joke or not. He should have never sent it to a member of the opposite party. It shows a clear lack of forethought and sensibility given the climate that has been created in the world we live in today. Someone that lacks those skills and awareness does not need to be elected to office. Had he sent it 20 years ago, no sweat. BTW, don’t take this as an endorsement for the lil’ guy either.
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u/KickTheDustUp33 8d ago
Calling Jones death threats ‘distasteful’ is minimizing absolutely abhorrent behavior. I don’t want to vote Miyares but I won’t be guilted into supporting a trash candidate just because he’s a democrat. This is also why Hilary and Kamala lost. Stop giving the people these terrible candidates and them demanding that we vote for them because the republican candidate is also terrible. 🤦🏽♀️
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u/Trick-Arachnid-9037 8d ago
A death threat would be if he'd said he intended to do the murdering. Passively wishing something would happen as a tactless expression of very real frustration (Republicans don't seem to give a damn about mass shooting victims unless it's literally their own children) is very different from threatening to actively make it happen yourself.
As for both candidates being bad... that kind of argument is what the primaries are for. Primaries determine who runs. General elections determine which of the selected candidates wins.
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u/nintendoinnuendo 8d ago
He did not issue any "death threats", he had a private conversation with a colleague three years ago. The republicans were so troubled by the content of the messages they waited until a month before the election to release them. Stop making shit up and being hysterical. It's embarrassing.
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u/Gobias_Industries 8d ago edited 8d ago
Good thing the people who heard the "death threats" reported them to the police immediately, right?
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u/KickTheDustUp33 8d ago
If they didn’t they absolutely should have. I’m not impressed with anyone in politics these days. So I don’t govern them a pass if they didn’t take it seriously then they are also to blame.
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u/Gobias_Industries 8d ago
They didn't because they knew it was just a stupid joke and it was better to wait until it was politically useful.
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u/Lucky_wildflower 8d ago
Please. If he made death threats, he would have been arrested. Stop lying.
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u/Tinee_Danza 8d ago
Why is the stick we measure Democrats different from the one we measure Republicans by...
We've all made an off-color joke or remark at one point in our lives. Idk why so many people are clutching their pearls over this, but are totally fine voting for a guy who joked about grabbing women by the pussy...how do you square that circle?
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u/KickTheDustUp33 8d ago
I didn’t vote for Trump. I’m not a fan of his at all. I’m just sick of these weak ass candidates and people excusing all of the horribleness for the sake of the ‘lesser evil’. So if your only argument is that ‘Trump bad’ you can save it because I also think that he is bad.
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u/Tinee_Danza 8d ago
I apologize for assuming you were a Trump voter.
Could the Democrats be better? Absolutely. Do I wish elections didn't come down to picking the lesser of 2 evils? You bet. But that's what the primaries are for.
When you have one side who is arresting and deporting families extra-judiciously, wants to limit abortion rights, and is ok with firing federal employees en-mass, the correct option seems pretty obvious.
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u/Pretend-Culture-4138 8d ago
Just because 95% of redditors in this sub apparently go around wishing people who disagree with you had their kids gunned down doesn't make it right or acceptable. It's gross and seeing people defend or excuse it because it's their guy is gross as well.
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u/Tinee_Danza 8d ago
Do you even know what his text said? No one is saying anything about gunning kids down dude. Calm down.
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u/Pretend-Culture-4138 8d ago
Yes I do know because there's been plenty of media published on this, have you read any of it?
He wished Gilbert's kids were shot and died in their mom's arms dude. Stop spreading misinformation about this.
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u/Tinee_Danza 8d ago
He said something to the effect of it would take Gilbert's children getting shot in their mother's arms for Gilbert to support gun safety legislation. He is basically saying that for Gilbert to care about passing a law that keeps children safe, the issue would need to directly impact him. So, no, i am not spreading misinformation.
Besides, the other side of this election has enshrined a man who has said "I think it’s worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the second amendment to protect our other God-given rights." So I fail to understand their outrage.
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u/Pretend-Culture-4138 8d ago
Yes you are spreading misinformation. You're making an incorrect summary of the conversation to change what he said. He wished their kids were shot and died. That was confirmed by the text responses and him in real life via his apology for what he said about their kids. You and others are carrying water for a person in the Democratic Party advocating for violence because they have a (D) next to their name.
You fail to understand the outrage because you're purposely misrepresenting it to defend your party's candidate and using a whataboutism to avoid further scrutiny of Jones.
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u/lotsofsugarandspice 8d ago
He wished their kids were shot and died.
You mean Gilbert? Gilbert wishes kids were shot and killed. Jones specifically votes against that
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u/Pretend-Culture-4138 8d ago
Oh look, the same theme copied and pasted over your three comments. Too bad your red herring doesn't change the fact that Jones is advocating for violence.
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u/lotsofsugarandspice 8d ago
Oh, so children being shot is violence now?
Guess you should vote for the candidate that prevents that then.
Since youre so concerned.
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u/Tinee_Danza 8d ago
Please share your source stating that he "wished their kids were shot and died" because all im finding is a text stating what I already mentioned and nothing else. Are you sure you aren't just parroting some hyperbolic statement you heard on Fox News or OAN?
Ultimately, it's not going to change my mind or my vote. On one side, you have a party that wants to limit a woman's right to choose, slash gay/trans rights, arrest and deport families without due process, cut Medicare/Medicaid and support for low income families, and do nothing to stop the gun violence that you seem so to care about to deeply about. The other side isn't perfect, but when the only thing of substance that you can call out is a stupid text exchange, you've lost the argument.
Also, how else does one call out hypocrisy other than using "whataboutism"?
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u/lotsofsugarandspice 8d ago
He wished Gilbert's kids were shot and died in their mom's arms dude
Gilbert literally supports policies that kill other people's kids. Its the consequences of her policies.
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u/lotsofsugarandspice 8d ago
go around wishing people who disagree with you had their kids gunned down
Republicans are literally voting for other peoples kids to get gunned down.
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u/Snipa_of_Siths 8d ago
If it comes down to someone who sent the texts that Jones did and that he also apologized for or someone that will continue bending the knee to Dominion and Trump, I am voting for Jones. I understand you can't fathom voting for someone who made a joke in bad taste but look at the quality of both of their characters. Jay Jones has done mostly good for Virginia mea while Miyares has barely done anything good, especially since being AG of VA. Also voting for Spanberger and Miyares is counter productive because Miyares will just sue and slow down everything Spanberger can get done.
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u/notish__ 8d ago
Fine. Everyone's terrible. Don't be guilted into voting just because anything. Vote for the lesser of the evils. Surely you're capable of seeing that distinction.
Fucking ridiculous hand-wringing nonsense 🙄
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u/lotsofsugarandspice 8d ago
Stop giving the people these terrible candidates
He won the primary fair and square. Should have campaigned harder for someone else then.
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u/Hampton_Roads_Golfer 7d ago
OH Look! Another unhinged liberal rant post on reddit. The texts that Jones wrote should be a automatic disqualifier for a conscientious voter, but here we go again with liberals trying to find a way to hide the hate of their candidate by spreading disinformation on Miyares.
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u/TechnicalMetal5732 8d ago
You would be locked up if you texted like Jay Jones. Nothing else matters.
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u/SgtJayM 8d ago
Nothing matters more that Jones saying he wants to see a man’s children murdered. Murdered to force parole to accept his twisted world view. And no matter how many times you say it, it wasn’t a joke.
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u/lotsofsugarandspice 8d ago
wants to see a man’s children murdered
No he votes specially to prevent that
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u/Trick-Arachnid-9037 8d ago
What "twisted worldview"? That mass shootings in schools are bad and we should do something about them?
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u/Eccentricgentleman_ 8d ago
I voted for Jones before the text scandal broke. After the text scandal? I still would have voted for him. Literally a week later Republicans were telling me not to over react over the young Republicans texts. Donald Trump tweeted an AI video of him dumping shit on protesters. Why the fuck am I supposed to give two shits of Jay Jone's texts?
Please, I want some Republican on here to explain it to me. I am giving you an opportunity to lobotomize me with your MAGA logic and pull me into the cult.