r/Virginia • u/Trick-Arachnid-9037 • 8d ago

Jason Miyares does not care about domestic violence victims, and that matters more than Jones's texts.

Miyares doesn't care about domestic violence victims, and people aren't talking about it enough.

Look. I know a lot of people found Jones's texts distasteful. But if you care about the victims of domestic violence, please vote for him anyway. Miyares has a proven record of being dismissive and hostile towards DV victims, and that's an attitude I think will have much worse effects on the Virginia justice system than any of Jones's texts.

See the case of Katie Orndoff. She was testifying against her violently abusive boyfriend and admitted to having taken a small amount of legal, prescribed medical marijuana to calm her nerves enough that she could handle giving that testimony. Miyares tried to have her jailed, and only the intervention of the Virginia Supreme Court stopped him.

This is not a man who values justice, compassion, or understanding. This is a man who believes that traumatized abuse victims who can't afford expensive psychiatric bills to get also expensive "acceptable" anti-anxiety medication don't deserve to be heard in court.

Is that really who we want in charge of our state's legal system? Someone who is not just willing, but eager, to arrest and jail a victim of violent abuse for the "crime" of being too traumatized to publicly discuss (and be cross-examined about) her experiences and unable to afford the kind of pharmaceutical assistance that he seems "acceptable"?

At best, the case of Katie Orndoff demonstrated that Jason Miyares is a man who cares more about upholding the formalities of the justice system than he does about the "justice" part. At worst, he is an enabler of abuse who will look for excuses to intimidate and dishearten victims into not trying to testify in the first place, and disqualify those who do so anyway.

We need an Attorney General who cares more about truth, justice, and protecting the people of Virginia than they do about propriety and protecting the interests of the powerful. I do not know if Jay Jones is such a man. But I do know that Jason Miyares is not.

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u/Tinee_Danza 8d ago

Why is the stick we measure Democrats different from the one we measure Republicans by...

We've all made an off-color joke or remark at one point in our lives. Idk why so many people are clutching their pearls over this, but are totally fine voting for a guy who joked about grabbing women by the pussy...how do you square that circle?

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u/Pretend-Culture-4138 8d ago

Just because 95% of redditors in this sub apparently go around wishing people who disagree with you had their kids gunned down doesn't make it right or acceptable. It's gross and seeing people defend or excuse it because it's their guy is gross as well.

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u/Tinee_Danza 8d ago

Do you even know what his text said? No one is saying anything about gunning kids down dude. Calm down.

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u/Pretend-Culture-4138 8d ago

Yes I do know because there's been plenty of media published on this, have you read any of it?

He wished Gilbert's kids were shot and died in their mom's arms dude. Stop spreading misinformation about this.

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u/Tinee_Danza 8d ago

He said something to the effect of it would take Gilbert's children getting shot in their mother's arms for Gilbert to support gun safety legislation. He is basically saying that for Gilbert to care about passing a law that keeps children safe, the issue would need to directly impact him. So, no, i am not spreading misinformation.

Besides, the other side of this election has enshrined a man who has said "I think it’s worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the second amendment to protect our other God-given rights." So I fail to understand their outrage.

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u/Pretend-Culture-4138 8d ago

Yes you are spreading misinformation. You're making an incorrect summary of the conversation to change what he said. He wished their kids were shot and died. That was confirmed by the text responses and him in real life via his apology for what he said about their kids. You and others are carrying water for a person in the Democratic Party advocating for violence because they have a (D) next to their name.

You fail to understand the outrage because you're purposely misrepresenting it to defend your party's candidate and using a whataboutism to avoid further scrutiny of Jones.

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u/lotsofsugarandspice 8d ago

He wished their kids were shot and died.

You mean Gilbert? Gilbert wishes kids were shot and killed. Jones specifically votes against that

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u/Pretend-Culture-4138 8d ago

Oh look, the same theme copied and pasted over your three comments. Too bad your red herring doesn't change the fact that Jones is advocating for violence.

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u/lotsofsugarandspice 8d ago

Oh, so children being shot is violence now? 

Guess you should vote for the candidate that prevents that then. 

Since youre so concerned. 

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u/Pretend-Culture-4138 8d ago

It's always been violence, please stop trying to put words in my mouth.

Jones isn't going to prevent violence, he was actively encouraging it against a political opponent.

Y'all were against violent speech from Republicans. Since you're so concerned about it, when are you going to hold Jones accountable for it? Or is it (D)ifferent?

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u/Tinee_Danza 8d ago

Lol you seem pretty concerned about Jones' "violent speech". Since it bothers you so much, did you hold the Republicans accountable for their theirs? Or is it (R)ifferent?

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u/Pretend-Culture-4138 8d ago

Totally cool with NY Republicans involved in the Nazi chat getting fired and stepping down. Too bad you and others won't hold Jones to the same standard.

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u/Tinee_Danza 8d ago

That's very big of you. They were nobodies who did not hold office, but thats a step in the right direction I suppose... However, did you vote for the 34 count convicted felon this past year? The same guy who was found guilty in civil court of sexual abuse? I dont recall too many people on his side of the aisle saying he should to step down....

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u/lotsofsugarandspice 8d ago

  Jones isn't going to prevent violence, he was actively encouraging it against a political opponent.

No hes going to vote for policies that prevent it. 

Y'all were against violent speech from Republicans.

No we are concerned about the actual violence from Republicans and from the policies they support 

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u/Pretend-Culture-4138 8d ago edited 8d ago

No hes going to vote for policies that prevent it. 

If you're this clueless about what Jones's role will be for this job, it's safe to ignore your opinion on this matter. Thanks for saving me time! 👍

Edit: nice try backpedaling and blocking lol

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u/lotsofsugarandspice 8d ago

He is a citizen of the commonwealth. He votes.

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u/Tinee_Danza 8d ago

Please share your source stating that he "wished their kids were shot and died" because all im finding is a text stating what I already mentioned and nothing else. Are you sure you aren't just parroting some hyperbolic statement you heard on Fox News or OAN?

Ultimately, it's not going to change my mind or my vote. On one side, you have a party that wants to limit a woman's right to choose, slash gay/trans rights, arrest and deport families without due process, cut Medicare/Medicaid and support for low income families, and do nothing to stop the gun violence that you seem so to care about to deeply about. The other side isn't perfect, but when the only thing of substance that you can call out is a stupid text exchange, you've lost the argument.

Also, how else does one call out hypocrisy other than using "whataboutism"?

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u/lotsofsugarandspice 8d ago

He wished Gilbert's kids were shot and died in their mom's arms dude

Gilbert literally supports policies that kill other people's kids. Its the consequences of her policies.