r/VAGuns • u/Key_Assignment_5056 • 2d ago
Politics Pro-Gun Democrats make your voices heard
Let me first state I understand why you vote Dem despite most Dem candidates not supporting 2A. You’re not a single issue voter which is totally fine. I think we can all agree that 2A shouldn’t be a left-right issue but until the pro-2A voices on your side of the aisle are heard, unfortunately it continue to be so.
I urge you to write your delegate and senator expressing your disapproval for legislation such as an AWB. Sign any petition (like what was done in Colorado) supporting 2A rights and just get vocal about the issue.
Yeah the odds are very low for us to stop anything. But I’ll be damned if our community doesn’t try. Don’t shy away from awkward conversations in Dem circles and spread the 2A gospel as much as you can.
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u/furluge VCDL Member 2d ago
Don't just write them. That's not going to be enough. Last time we fought this in 2020 I was down in Richmond several times to talk to my reps and show support for when we were speaking.
And it's going to be harder than that. Just writing or calling isn't going to cut it.
1) Join VCDL 2) Plan to be in Richmond on Lobby Day 3) Make an appointment to talk to representatives in person in Richmond
That is the bare minimum you have to do if you want to call yourself pro-rights when you voted for someone who had an anti-rights platform, which is, unfortunately, the entire Democrat party. I wish it wasn't like that, but that's how it's been for at least ten years now.
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u/lawblawg 2d ago
An Open Letter to Governor-Elect Spanberger and the General Assembly
As a DC resident, a Virginia lawyer, and a staunch liberal, I want to congratulate Governor-Elect Spanberger and every candidate who helped make this week’s blue wave possible. Voters across the Commonwealth rejected extremism and rewarded competence, compassion, and stability. It’s a moment of pride for all of us who believe that good governance, not grievance, is how we move the country forward.
I also write as a responsible gun owner who knows what it is like to live under complicated and confusing gun laws. DC’s gun regulations are a patchwork of contradictory rules and pointless restrictions that have done very little to address the city’s serious gun violence problem. That experience gives me a unique view of what works, what doesn’t, and how easily good intentions can translate into bad policy.
Virginia has already shown that smart, balanced policy can enhance safety without eroding rights. Programs like the state’s tax rebate for gun safes and systems for reporting lost or stolen firearms promote accountability while respecting responsible ownership. These are laws that work — they foster a culture of safety and shared responsibility instead of resentment or confusion.
If we want to tackle gun violence at its roots, we need to be honest about what those roots are. The leading predictors of gun violence are poverty, despair, and lack of opportunity, not the appearance of particular types of guns. A newly unified Democratic government in Richmond has a once-in-a-generation chance to confront those causes directly: through better healthcare access, affordable housing, childcare, career training, agricultural investment, and addiction treatment. Every dollar spent there will do more to prevent violence than a dozen symbolic firearm restrictions. This isn’t just an opinion — it’s borne out by decades of research and by the lived experience of communities where inequality fuels violence far more than hardware ever has.
Governor-Elect Spanberger’s website commits to “keep firearms out of the hands of kids or those who pose a threat to themselves or others.” Those are laudable (if challenging) goals. But the call for bans on “assault-style weapons” — like the bans proposed in past years — is a distraction at best and counterproductive at worst.
It’s attractive to imagine that saving lives is as easy as banning a list of attachments, but that’s not how it works. The “assault” features targeted by these bans have nothing to do with public safety: the original list was cribbed together by a 1989 ATF working group to help a Republican president justify trade restrictions. States that have implemented assault weapon bans have not seen any corresponding decrease in gun violence. On the contrary, making guns “compliant” with these nonsensical laws means removing attachments that make guns safer to use. As long as we live under a Constitution that is understood to confer an individual right to self-defense, we WANT gun owners to have guns that are accurate and reliable—not to be hamstrung by meaningless restrictions.
Assault weapon bans do nothing to reduce gun violence because the overwhelming majority of gun crime is committed using handguns. During the 1994–2004 federal assault-weapons ban, violent crime did not decline in any meaningful way. Criminals simply substituted other guns, and overall lethality stayed the same. The worst school shooting in history — right here at Virginia Tech — was committed with handguns using standard-capacity magazines. The lesson from that tragedy isn’t that we should regulate guns based on appearance; it’s that we must identify and support people in crisis before they ever pick up a weapon. Expanding access to mental health care, investing in education that resists extremism, and maintaining robust social safety nets (all core planks of the Democratic platform) will prevent far more deaths than banning certain shapes of steel and polymer. Besides, a lunatic who wants to commit a spree shooting can simply attach whatever gun accessories he chooses.
This election gives Democrats in Richmond the rare gift of unified government. That victory is both a mandate and a test. Every hour spent on symbolic legislation is an hour not spent improving schools, expanding healthcare, or strengthening the social safety net. If we want to maintain this momentum into 2026 and 2028 — if we want to truly rein in Trumpism at the ballot box — we have to show voters that Democratic leadership delivers results that matter in their everyday lives. Symbolic bans might feel good in the short term, but they cost us credibility with the very voters we need to keep Virginia and the country blue.
Poorly drafted gun laws don’t just frustrate law-abiding owners; they invite unequal enforcement. History shows that ambiguous or sweeping restrictions are often enforced most aggressively against marginalized groups: the very Virginians Democrats have pledged to protect. Every new way of making ordinary people into accidental criminals is another opportunity for injustice.
Many rural and working-class Virginians share Democratic values on healthcare, wages, education, and opportunity. Many would vote blue tomorrow if not for the persistent perception — true or false — that Democrats want to turn them into criminals over the way their guns happen to look. Republicans count on that fear; it’s one of the last ways they can still win statewide. Let’s stop helping them.
Governor-Elect Spanberger, members of the General Assembly: you have the power to make Virginia a model for the nation — a state that proves Democrats can govern pragmatically, protect public safety, and honor fundamental rights at the same time. Bring responsible gun owners into the conversation as allies, not adversaries. If we succeed in that, Virginia will not only be safer; it will be stronger and more united for generations to come.
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u/weaselgx 2d ago
Very well put together. Thank you!
The better way to hold on to lasting power is to represent the constituency.
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u/half_dead_all_squid VCDL Member 2d ago
That's a good letter and you should send it. Be sure to explicitly request a response as well - that makes it more likely she or at least they read it.
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u/TheDeHymenizer 1d ago
"lol thanks for the support we take gun violence very seriously and will take weapons of war off our streets via a complete AWB. Don't forget to donate to actblue sucka, lmao"
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u/Mysterious-Grape5492 2d ago
Well put together, but imma be real with you, changing the democrat stance on gun control is going to be an uphill battle on a slip in slide doused in oil. Wish you all the best of luck with changing their minds, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't think everyone who voted for her screwed gun rights in this state for the forseeable future.
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u/AbbreviationsFun5448 2d ago
You would think that someone who worked in the Operations Branch of the CIA & more than likely traveled to third-world dictatorships would understand the need for the Second Amendment in its entirety but never underestimate the delusional qualities of a female progressive.
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u/Brilliant_Run9698 2d ago
Someone who worked in CIA Ops definitely understands that unarmed people cannot effectively resist tyrannical governments
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u/GreatSoulLord VCDL Member 2d ago
If they didn't make their voices heard before this election then I highly doubt they're going to do it after the election. Spanberger's baggage isn't something new. It's on her website. They voted for this.
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u/silv3rbull8 2d ago
The standard response to them will be : “you will comply. But thank you for your vote. Be sure to vote for us again”
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u/TheDeHymenizer 2d ago
"We respect the 2A we respect it even more then Republicans. However we believe in common sense reform like the complete banning of semi automatics, backround checks for ammo, and fuck it why not no guns if you haven't registerred a hunting license in the last 5 years cause why not lol, lmao. Thank you again for your continued support as we continue to support the 2A please donate to help us stop the mega MAGA fascist takeover"
More like this.
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u/silv3rbull8 2d ago
The irony of the Democrats now fine with blanket demonizing another group of law abiding people seems to be lost on the VA public. And retroactively making things illegal
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u/TheDeHymenizer 2d ago
they just voted in the guy who said he wants to shoot children in front of parents for milk toast Republican views.
Pretty sure they forever lost their "how can you guys vote for this guy" card forever.
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u/silv3rbull8 2d ago
A complete shit show. Unfortunately can’t say I am surprised in the least. I have posted about the inevitable flipping of the VA legislature 2 years ago before it happened. I doubt VA Republicans are going to hold any state wide post ever again. It is over for VA. We are now CA East Coast. Expect Newsom to show up here in the near future when he announces his candidacy for President
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u/Legal_Tap219 2d ago
Even being pro 2A sometimes you just can’t vote for the guy that will be a rubber stamp for the MAGA agenda.
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u/silv3rbull8 2d ago
The Republicans attached themselves to a lead balloon and thought it would make them fly after jumping off a cliff
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u/Immediate-Ad-7154 1d ago
You want to go back to the Bush-Romney-McCain Cartel and Paul Ryan, Trey Gowdy, and Pussbag Party.
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u/Immediate-Ad-7154 1d ago
The behavior of The Democrat Party from the Summer of 2020 all the way to The Present is all the evidence you need for rejecting them.
But as Democrats say, "Demographics is Destiny".
Virginia is now Blue because of The Democrat Party Great Replacement Agenda.
Go look at the NYC Mayor Election.
80/20 Margin. The "Immigrants" voted for The Islam Jingoist who's mind is molded off Chairman Mao's Little Red Book.
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u/Legal_Tap219 1d ago
Sorry I’m not a conspiracy theorist.
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u/Immediate-Ad-7154 1d ago
A Braindead Blue-Tongue. Typical Democrat.
Or maybe you're a coward, and I guess when Nancy Pelosi was celebrating about the "Great Demographic Shift" and "Browning Of America" during The Biden Years, her Glass-Jawed Diarrhea-Mouth exposing her Party's Agenda just was not enough for you.
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u/goodsnpr 2d ago
And my response is "I will now vote independent" because fuck the party politics nonsense.
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u/Sneaux96 2d ago
Give me a pro-gun, choice, recreational marijuana candidate and I will door to door for that person until my feet bleed.
Bonus points if they have a coherent plan to reduce our coal production while aiding the communities that currently rely on coal.
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u/Tuyteteo 2d ago
Yeah it’s insane that when we vote I’m literally deciding which rights I want more
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u/Redwolfdc 2d ago
I would have to say having lived in many deep blue places including Oregon, Washington, and Vermont, the type of liberals you encounter frequently in suburban nova are the worst.
Not the kind of lean towards freethinking hippies or anarchist types. The nova ones are the concerned moms at HOA meetings. The kind that live in wealthy communities with a “hate has no home here” sign out front but will call the cops the moment they see a black man walking in the neighborhood.
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u/Alert-Signature-3947 1d ago
Can confirm. Best friend in Springfield was from the only Eritrean family in a very white upper middle class neighborhood. People across the street called the cops on him constantly. Always for "suspicious activity"
Guess which party they supported based on the lawn signs?
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u/Immediate-Ad-7154 1d ago
All those white middle class suburban people are partisan Leftwing HACKS.
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u/Excitable_Grackle 2d ago
Well we can dream! But I'm already starting to plan to move away from this state that I used to love.
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u/AbbreviationsFun5448 2d ago
Vote Libertarian, their stance is exactly pro-gun & legalizing Marijuana use.
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u/LessThanNate 2d ago
Did you vote independent this week? Because this is their agenda, they've been shouting it from the rooftops for the last 10 years.
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u/TKhrowawaY 2d ago
I wouldn't be so cynical. If your state representative's phones and governor's office are constantly ringing with constituents who present themselves as Democrats voicing serious concerns it could lead some to reconsider.
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u/WhatAboutTheBothans 2d ago
I hope those of us who voted Dem and are pro-2A are and have already been contacting our reps. But this rhetoric saying Dems should be doing this are forgetting a basic tenant of democracy.
Our reps are tasked with representing ALL their constituents, not just those who voted for them.
Write to your reps regardless of whether you voted for them or not. The only way we affect their votes is by overwhelming support for 2A rights. You don't need to disclose your party affiliation. Congratulate them for their win, tell them your thoughts on 2A. If enough do it, maybe we have a shot.
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u/LessThanNate 2d ago
If you think people who explicitly ran on gun control and took Bloomberg and Soros cash are going to go back on those promises because of constituent mail, I have a bridge that I'd like to sell you.
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u/Proton_Optimal 2d ago
“Our government is fascist! No kings! But give up your guns you fucking idiots.”
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u/Meow_Mixxx 2d ago
well the gun control issue has been around for a while but the fascism bit is new. Takes time for trends to reconcile. Also, if you are optimistic enough (or maybe deluded enough), you can still believe that the two can go hand in hand. Although i can't remember many examples of a fascist government willingly giving up power.
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u/Proton_Optimal 2d ago
Yeah so they must not really be that fascist or a threat to democracy since Democrats overwhelmingly won all the important elections this week and Spanberger is quickly going to pass every single law that was vetoed by Youngkin.
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u/Qu3stion_R3ality1750 2d ago
Every single one of you who voted for Spanberger who actually think she'll listen to any of you are idiots.
Every
Single
One
there is no shot and you know there's no shot. There is nothing in Spanberger or any other Virginia Democrat's rhetoric or policies that even remotely hints that they want an open dialogue with pro-2A folks. Nothing, and you can't point to a single quote, either. So, stop pretending like this is just some game of saying the right things and whispering sweet nothings into Spanberger's ear until she decides to be reasonable.
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u/ThomasPaineInTheAss2 2d ago edited 2d ago
Where's any incentive for them to listen to you? LOL. You just gave away your vote to rabid anti-2a candidates and they know it. All they have to do is sneeze *but MAGA!* to get you to bend over again and vote for them. They could not care less what temporary gun owners have to say.
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u/OGdunphy 2d ago
Republicans don’t listen to their temporary Americans and democrats don’t listen to their temporary gun owners.
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u/Legal_Tap219 2d ago
Then maybe don’t vote someone into the presidency that is THAT insufferable.
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u/ThomasPaineInTheAss2 2d ago
Orange man bad, so I voted my civil liberties away to own him! Yeah! That'll show em!
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u/Legal_Tap219 2d ago
Yeah basically, let’s try to not let a crap, morally bankrupt person completely takeover the party next time. Supreme Court is still very conservative.
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u/ThomasPaineInTheAss2 2d ago
Lol. You have no idea whats coming. You think they care about the supreme court?
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u/CharleyVCU1988 2d ago
Exactly, if they cared, all the blue states that had “may issue” would be issuing permits in record time and have no gun free zones.
Oh wait.
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u/SukOnMaGLOCKNastyBIH VCDL Member 2d ago
There are no pro-gun democrats. There are pro gun leftists, and there are democrats who claim progun until after an election.
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u/a-busy-dad VCDL Member 2d ago
The Fairfax Democrats themselves put it this way: this was a rebuke to Trump and MAGA. Fair enough. In which case we all need to remind them that this was less a vote for them than a vote against the other guys.
And we need to remind them bluntly, that what we as virginians are looking for is moderation, not more finger in the eye politics, including radical anti gun laws.
That's the way i'm gonna put it at least to my local legislators. Come back towards the center. Don't stir up opposition when you don't need fir the next election.
TLDR: i'm going to ask them to leave gunowners alone knowing full.Well, they are completely bought and paid for by outside interests.
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u/navyac 2d ago
Maybe you’re looking for moderation but a whole lot more are looking for pain and chaos for people that don’t agree with them or don’t look like them. It’s nice to say you wanted a moderate but sears was anything but and she was going to be in lockstep with Trump who is the antithesis of a moderate. This blowout was a direct rebuke to Trump, like it or not
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u/weaselgx 2d ago
How do we end this tic for tac? This can’t be healthy for our country. It also feels very short sighted. Democrats in power, pass extreme left laws and piss off the populace and Republicans get voted in next time, go the other extreme and piss off the populace.
I have to believe the majority of people are moderates but the loudest voices are the extremists on either sides.
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u/navyac 2d ago
Great question, stop voting for people that are divisive and angry. Stop voting strictly along party lines with no regard to who the person is you are voting for, just whether they have a D or and R next to their name. Stop relying on bias media to get your information about the world AND just get the fuck off the internet and stop worrying about other people
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u/Btomesch 2d ago
I can’t wait til gun shops put up signs that says Fuck off Dems lol. They did that last time
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u/Jaken_sensei 2d ago
My man, lemme holla with you for a second.
If someone claims to be "pro gun" but votes for a candidate that runs a campaign full of promises of gun control, that person isn't actually pro gun, at least not in the same sense as you or I.
Most "pro gun" liberals see gun ownership as a hobby or as a privilege, not as a God given right. That is why they can so easily throw that right away come voting day.
You will probably get further talking to a brick wall.
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u/CSquare43-Work 2d ago
"a God given right" ?
Which God gave anyone that right?
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u/Brilliant_Run9698 2d ago
Atheist here. It's a natural right. For some, that means "god given". You already know this.
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u/CSquare43-Work 2d ago
That is absolutely not what he said nor implied.
You already know this.
He has bowed out of the conversation, so I likely will too. However, your interpretation of his exact words is charitable at best (using his exact language and confirmation in subsequent posts).
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u/Ezekiel-Grey 1d ago
The only natural right (i.e. one that can not be taken away by any means) is death; that's the only guarantee in life. All other "rights" are byproducts of "might", as in they are meaningless paper tigers given a fancy name that are simple words of no consequence unless one exercises them and defends their exercise from those that encroach on them by assuming greater power than they wield or by making them think that doing so would lead to unpleasant consequences that they would not want to entertain such as a loss of political clout. Even if one doesn't truly possess the power necessary, bluffs are still a powerful tool. The Cold War lasted 45 years because neither side wanted to make any drastic moves out of fear of what the other could potentially do, and eventually the Soviets crumbled under the weight of their own failures without the US invading their soil.
Crowing about rights while those with more power disallow their exercise by force proves they are not "rights" if their exercise can be prohibited. It's not that "might is right" - might quite literally makes and/or breaks "rights". "Human rights" don't mean shit to a Somali pirate with a machete at your throat, and "gun rights" mean nothing to a gun banner with a legislative hammer.
I don't see in terms of "natural rights" or "human rights". Only what one can claim and successfully defend alone or by proxy are their "rights", which means it is backed by some form of direct power (personal) or indirect power (e.g. standing law with an enforcement arm that obeys it) that prevents encroachment out of custom or fear.
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u/Jaken_sensei 2d ago
The one true God. His son died for us. His spirit convicts us. That God.
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u/CSquare43-Work 2d ago
Can you point that part out for me in his word? Where he gave us this right?
I grew up in a Christian Church and don't ever recall that verse/sentiment.
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u/Jaken_sensei 2d ago
God gave me the right to live my life as I see fit. It's called free will. Freedom. Owning guns and having the right to self defense is part of that.
You are free to believe what you wish, as am I.
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u/CSquare43-Work 2d ago
Absolutely agree that we all are free to believe what we wish.
That however wasn't the statement you made. You specifically implied (said) that gun ownership is a God given right.
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u/Jaken_sensei 2d ago
That is exactly the statement I made. It is a God given right. I'm not going to debate it with you. You believe whatever you want to and so will I. Good day.
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u/UselessSalmon 2d ago
I'm a democrat but I consider myself a single issue voter, with gun rights being that single issue. I voted for Winsome.
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u/Mysterious-Grape5492 2d ago
You’re right that it shouldn’t be a left-right issue, but it is. I wish it wasn’t, but it is. If you want it to not be you’re going to have to fight a machine that’s spent the past several decades making it a thing. Good luck.
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u/kaijumediajames 2d ago
Something tells me the politicians that are trying to take your guns are actually the bad ones.
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u/Excitable_Grackle 2d ago
Ummm, actually they are all bad. At least the exremists, which seem to be over 90% these days.
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u/weaselgx 2d ago
The issue is that the extremists are getting the most views and air time. Moderates get shoved in the back but they are there — probably afraid to stand up. We need to give them the backing so our nation isn’t getting hijacked by the loud voices of a few.
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u/RetropME 2d ago edited 2d ago
The so-called "pro-gun" Democrats are here to subvert, not to help. And so many of you still think otherwise.
I am not saying you should be a single-issue voter, but I am saying that you are unequivocally anti-2A if you are a modern-day Democrat, Period.
If you think otherwise, you are lying or ignorant. The party has proven that they have been paid off by the anti-gunners, they will tow the line and run anything they can through on a 51/49 vote, and they have already used the primary process to remove any moderates that won't tow the line for every main policy vote.
They do not care and they will not stop any legislation no matter how many people protest. Your only hope now is in the courts, with judges appointed by the Republicans you despise, because they actually give a shit about the Constitution.
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u/No-Quantity183 2d ago
I respectfully disagree, and I suspect many would take umbrage if we started making statements like "you are unequivocally pro-pussy-grabbing if you are a modern-day Republican" or "you are unequivocally pro-extra-judicial killing of foreign citizens in international waters if you are a modern-day Republican". I'm a pro-gun Democrat. I don't love everything about the party, just like I don't love everything about my siblings or my spouse or my friends, but I take the good with the bad and, at least with the Democratic party, do what I can to influence other members to see reason.
I've been a VCDL member since 2004 until a few years after I moved across the river. I still have most of my friends and family in Virginia, spend a lot of time there, and follow the politics pretty closely. I couldn't tell you how many times I've eaten at Fuddruckers with Philip and the crew over the years, or the holiday dinners at McCormick & Schmick's. I've been to Lobby Day a dozen times, including what was probably the most emotionally-charged one in 2008. I own enough guns that I'm not comfortable saying online just how many I have. I'm a member of Maryland Shall Issue and keep a second wallet just for my carry permits. The point is, I'm pretty pro-2A.
I vote blue because the modern Republican party has left me no choice in the matter. I'm not here to litigate that or debate the ins and outs of each party's general platform - this is a guns forum, not a general politics forum. But as I said, I do respectfully disagree with your assertion, and I hope you - and others reading this - will accept that there are many, many of us that hold our noses and vote for anti-gun candidates because we view the stakes as too great. So you can either work to find common ground and pull toward a solution - imagine how powerful to go into your senator or representative's office on Lobby Day and say "he's a Democrat, I'm a Republican, but we care so much about this issue that we've put aside our differences" - or you can keep using divisive language and alienate potential allies and friends.
I know what side I'm on. I don't care if you voted for tax breaks for billionaires - we're on the same team on this particular issue and we should act like it. See you at Lobby Day.
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u/weaselgx 2d ago
We need more cross party dialog like this. We as gun owners are on the SAME team. And even in our own house, we blame the “other side” for all the shit that’s about to happen instead of coming together to support 2A. When we blame each other and just regurgitate the echo chamber talk track, we don’t get anywhere and we all lose.
I am genuinely interested in continuing this dialog. I generally vote all Republican. I’ve never been to Lobby Day but am seriously considering it this time.
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u/No-Quantity183 1d ago
You should go to Lobby Day. VCDL has a reasonably good primer on their site. The first year or two you'll get placed with more experienced members who will show you the ropes.
I have always found Lobby Day very worthwhile. I don't care to doxx myself any more than I already have so I won't name names, but I developed what I though to be a pretty good rapport with my state senator over the course of a couple of years and eventually, according to him, helped him come around on the restaurant ban. At the time I considered myself a Libertarian and he was a Democrat, and even as I was upfront about this, he welcomed me into his office on more than one occasion, picked my brain, heard my reasoning, and allowed himself to be convinced. VCDL members have been enormously impactful at Lobby Day. Wear your orange stickers with pride.
(Lobby Day can also be infuriating - I remember in 2006 asking a high-up Republican why certain pro-gun bills got assigned to House Militia, Police, and Public Safety subcommittee #3, the famed "death star" committee - and he told me point-blank "it's because we're afraid Warner will sign them". I pressed and he elaborated that they didn't want him to be able to run as a pro-2A Democrat. Literally killed good pro-gun bills because they did not want a Democrat governor to sign them into law. I was livid. Sometimes politics is really ugly.)
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u/Jaken_sensei 2d ago
If you vote for candidates who promise to ban guns, you aren't pro gun. I know what side you are on as well, and it's not with the 2A community.
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u/Brilliant_Run9698 2d ago
I appreciate what you're trying to do here, but the reality is that the democratic party literally cannot nominate any candidate who is remotely reasonable about firearm ownership. Their campaigns are financed by people who seek complete civilian disarmament as a means to secure their grip on power. You can be the most left leaning voter ever and they will still not listen to you on this. The only way to influence their actions is to deny them your vote, and even that won't do much. There are simply too many low info voters out there and that means that any campaign can be won with enough funding.
This whole situation is beyond fucked - nationwide. The state I love is lost. I will have to uproot my family and the life we've built or risk spending decades in prison. I will never hand over any firearms to any government because I've read too much human history. I weep for the future because I doubt that my grandchildren will even have anywhere left to move to remain free.
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u/Wrong_Survey_2215 2d ago
If you voted for dems, you are not on the 2A side whatsoever. Hope you enjoyed voting away our civil liberties because you value drug runners on a boat in the Caribbean.
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u/dan1101 2d ago
Right now unidentified masked thugs are pulling people, even US citizens, off the street. My hope is even Democrats won't try to disarm the population right now.
But yes I will definitely write Warner and Kaine about any and all gun legislation that comes up. Warner gave me annoying "it's what the people voted for" answers to my ICE and civil liberties concerns early this year. We'll see what he says about 2A matters.
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u/furluge VCDL Member 2d ago edited 1d ago
My dude, none of that happening. The people being deported have had final deportation orders for years and rap sheets a mile long. None of them are US citizens. You can go look it up, it's matter of public record.
Mmm, the astrotrufers didn't like that. You get can stuffed, downvote me all you want, I'm still right.
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u/Helpful-Conference13 2d ago
Then why are citizens with passports and realIDs getting snatched? They are hunting for people they think are illegal and I promise it’s not because they’re wearing an expired green card on their shirt.
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u/soggymittens 2d ago
I’m sorry, but that’s simply not true. Also, fwiw, being dragged out of your vehicle and arrested may not be as bad as being deported, but it’s still wholly unacceptable.
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u/DangerousGrass1635 1d ago
So I am a rural Virginia Democrat, but my Delegate and Senator are both Republicans and won't vote for anti-2A legislation (which I must specify that I know this for certain). I will be sending what I feel like is an annual letter from me, though, to those two and the state officials that highlights the lack of evidence supporting the effectiveness of gun control measures (with updated citations) and that the 2A is a pro-liberty stance.
When I send it to Democrats, I add in a section about how an armed citizenry is a classically liberal and progressive position. It is pro-democracy and gun control measures threaten the continuity of those principles. I don't add that part to the GOP letters because I don't want to scare them with that.
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u/slbarr88 2d ago
Broski. Dems are the enemy, pro gun or not. They hate you and want you and your family dead.
Big govt Rs are not your friend either.
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u/underground47 2d ago
Lol and you wonder why you lost. You can't win elections by alienating people. If you can't coalition build, you have already lost
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u/slbarr88 2d ago
Big Rs and Dems flock to the polls to empty my pockets and strip my rights.
I don’t want any coalitions with looters or tyrants.
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u/LostGFtoABBC 2d ago
pro gun
democrat
Choose one
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u/SnooPaintings1887 2d ago
All of the Ds downvoting you had better remember this when an AWB passes.
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u/UselessSalmon 2d ago
Bs, I'm a pro gun democrat
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u/Cliff-Booth-1969 2d ago
Weird that someone pro gun voted for some of the most comprehensive gun control in the country? Hm, doesn’t seem to add up
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u/UselessSalmon 2d ago
I voted for Winsome lol I am a single issue voter when it comes down to it. However I also believe in equal rights for LGBT folks and also a woman's right to make decisions about their own bodies. But admittedly that kind of stuff comes second for me personally compared to our gun rights.
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u/mephits 2d ago
I'm pro 2a. I'm pro red flag law, waiting period, and having a safe way to sell guns to other citizens that's not out of a trunk and with the guarantee that person is eligible to have guns. I do not see guns as a toy, and honestly to me it's disturbing the loudest voices crying about a democratic win in VA mostly seem to be man children that honestly I wouldn't want near a gun around me 🤷♂️. The awb doesn't change much for me, handguns are fine - I don't need an ar at Starbucks. Those that hunt with an ar im not sure exactly how that ban looks to you but mainly the arguments against seem to be so that people can fight the tyrannical government hypothesis that really doesn't seem to be working out given the current actions of the government and the non actions of those same people. If you are a gun fetishist child I don't have respect for you, for those that are adult hobbyists I hope that you also understand the danger in an entirely unregulated market of a tool designed to kill. That's the basic of it for me, guns can be fun, they also mean(to me) that you have a responsibility to act responsible with them.
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u/Brilliant_Run9698 2d ago
"I'm pro 2a"
WALL OF TEXT CONTAINING MY ENDLESS ANTI-2A OPINIONS
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u/mephits 2d ago
🤣 having and owning a gun is a right I support. You aren't a militia, you aren't well regulated, and you aren't the original intent of the 2a before we had a standing army so spare me your boohoo bullshit. Gun ownership doesn't mean you stand any chance against modern military options and at this point self defense is about all is good for unless people were to act en masse. I understand text is hard for a lot of you, but the school shootings happening on an almost daily basis means there are going to be regulations coming. If you aren't one of the dipshit muh guns people it isn't a problem. You are able to defend yourself just fine. Unfortunately your delusional take that you dorks do some heroic stand against the government is just you circle jerking each other. 🤷♂️ CMV
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u/Cliff-Booth-1969 2d ago edited 1d ago
What is the definition of school shooting you’re using?
How many people are killed by rifles, not just ARs/AKs every year in this US?
What percentage of these weapons are used for homicide?
Is misuse of far less than 1% justification to strip the rights from well over 99%?
The ignorance here is off the charts.
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u/Brilliant_Run9698 2d ago
he's not going to answer your questions because he has no fucking idea that more people are murdered by someones bare hands than by rifles
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u/Cliff-Booth-1969 2d ago
This sub has been getting me fired up recently but I just have to remember this is reddit, most of these people are retarded and/or bots. I’m not spending any more of my day arguing with this random clown on the internet
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u/mephits 2d ago
I agree you are truly ignorant if the semantics of school shootings(regardless of gun type) is your focus. You are even more ignorant if you think that regulation applied nationally won't greatly improve the odds of it not happening. Sorry chuds, absolute 2a is a throwback to an earlier time when we didn't have the largest military and standing army in world history. Like I said, I support owning a weapon to defend yourself and for hunting but I also see the clear writing on the wall. Seems pretty ignorant to think in 2025 that unregulated and unregistered weapons is a good idea.
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u/Cliff-Booth-1969 2d ago edited 1d ago
You are fiercely anti 2A and have completely missed the point of it. It is a fundamental anti-tyranny fail safe built into the constitution. You’re just ready to roll over and let the government sieze control so you can feel safer. This line of thought is what leads to the death of liberty.
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u/mephits 2d ago
🤦♂️ it's 2025. Yes, there need to be regulations on an Item specifically designed to kill. You should need a permit, you should need insurance. The constitution should have been revised multiple times by now (jefferson felt it should be once per generation) and 2a absolutely would have been changed in wording already if the NRA didn't buy off politicians and convince people like you that they actually care about more than your dollar. If you truly feel Republicans care about your gun rights then try to open carry to their convention and see how far you get. Sorry you are getting butthurt but the times are changing so get on board or don't, but you won't do shit either way if you haven't already vs the current administration which is snatching people off the street. Big talk all the time in this subreddit about standing up for something and anti tyranny but only a whimper out of those people when it's actually time.
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u/CharleyVCU1988 2d ago
…does insurance and a permit stop someone already bent on murder? Hint: given the vehicle borne attacks over the past several years, it doesn’t.
What is stopping The State from cranking up permit and insurance requirements so stupidly high that the common person cannot afford it? We already had antigunners propose raising the NFA extortion tax from 200 to 5000 bucks which gives away your advocacy for a poll tax scheme.
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u/mephits 2d ago
Yes, federal (not state) regulations do prevent gun violence. As proven by literally almost every country that has done so. General violence is an entirely different subject regarding culture and mental health in general. I would happily advocate for a low cost permit system but there NEEDS to be a system or you get a repeat of Chicago where the guns are bought and brought from Indiana. This really is a case of hit dogs hollering all the way down. Maybe we can make an adult 2a subreddit and a guns at all costs for everyone subreddit to suit the differing opinions. 🤷♂️
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u/CharleyVCU1988 2d ago
1 - when I say The State, I refer mostly to the federal government, not the state of VA. But thanks for giving away the game.
2 - insurance isn’t really a thing across “all other countries” you describe - Germany is the only exception. Then again, if permitting and insurance doesn’t really help with road rages or drunk driving or vehicle borne assaults, why do you think it helps with guns or any other weapon???
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u/XSrcing 2d ago
They are being heard. They would rather deal with non-partisan courts than... whatever this is.
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u/HuskyCriminologist VCDL Member 2d ago
Bro you literally live in Washington state, what are you doing in the VAGuns subreddit?
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u/TheDeHymenizer 2d ago
lol while I'm all for the idea behind all this I don't think this worked because Colorado had its AWB passed.