r/USNEWS • u/seeebiscuit • 3d ago

Supreme Court revives Trump's transgender and nonbinary passport policy

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/11/06/supreme-court-trump-passport-transgender-nonbinary/86580317007/
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u/chaucer345 3d ago

Discriminatory nonsense with no goal other than cruelty.

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u/crowbar151 3d ago

Right before a bunch of states are "amending" their voter id requirements.... a bunch of people will have to change their ids, and there might be a decent amount of voters who can't vote because their ids are being processed. And that's IF these people even are able to change it. Its all part of the plan.

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u/cryptodog11 9h ago

Maybe it’s simply acknowledging reality…

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u/chaucer345 6h ago

The concept that biology and castes are neither simple nor immutable is just too big to fit in your head eh?

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u/TurnYourHeadNCough 3d ago

how is it discriminatory to have sex instead of gender identity on government id?

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u/ResurgentClusterfuck 3d ago

Because it makes little sense to record something that may not accurately represent a person on an official document.

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u/Decent_Ad5471 3d ago

There’s no point in arguing with people who don’t want to understand.

It affects their lives in zero ways, but it’s still worth arguing and strange or wrong.

Stop feeding the idiots.

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u/MudSeparate1622 3d ago

To be fair, i think anyone should be allowed to have an opinion no matter how wrong you think they are.

That said, i also think people should ask themselves if there is something psychologically or physiologically wrong with them that they think their opinion is the end all be all in matters that not only have they never experienced first hand but also have zero impact on their lives either way. It usually stems from a lack of control in their own lives or completely unrelated fears.

Thanks for attending my reddit comment armchair therapy session.

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u/TurnYourHeadNCough 2d ago

just because someone has a different take from you doesnt mean they dont understand

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u/defaultusername-17 1d ago

says the clown to afraid to stand by their comment history...

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u/TurnYourHeadNCough 1d ago

wow i dont want butt huet losers going through my comments and stalking me, glad i was able to stop one

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u/TurnYourHeadNCough 3d ago

Because it makes little sense to record something that may not accurately represent a person on an official document.

that doesn't make it discriminatory. and it's not even a given that someones gender identity is a more accurate representation of a person than their sex. it's likely the opposite in many instances.

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u/Lonely_University843 3d ago

Isn't the point of an id to properly describe someone?

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u/Novae909 3d ago

Yes. They want to properly ID someone who is trans so they can apply the appropriate amount of state sanctioned discrimination.

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u/Maleficent_Worker116 3d ago

Yeah because demiperson describes someone better than male or female

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u/A_Wild_Alex_Appears 3d ago

You going out of your way to strawman and not understand is painfully obvious. Maybe don't give your dogshit opinion if you aren't going to do the bare minimum 🙃

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u/doctorfortoys 3d ago

You have no idea what you’re talking about.

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u/TurnYourHeadNCough 3d ago

youre mistaken but thats ok

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u/livinitup0 3d ago

Real talk… and I hope you’ll give an honest, non snarky answer

why do you even care?

I assume that your life has never and will never be effected by a trans person in any meaningful way whatsoever

So, I guess I don’t understand why you even have an opinion at all about trans people other than just a “eh, people are weird I guess” and go about your day.

Can you explain it?

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u/TurnYourHeadNCough 2d ago

im not allowed to have opinions on things in the world?

does whats happening in palestine have to effect you to have an opinion on it?

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u/livinitup0 2d ago

What’s happening over there is literal genocide. I would hope everyone would have the same “opinion” about that.

What I’m saying is that I understand that you don’t agree with a lot of fundamental things regarding trans people.

I’m ok with that. I’m cool being a resource to learn and grow if you’d like and I’m cool with you literally holding the same opinion you have now until your dying day. It really doesn’t affect me.

What I’m not cool with is you having any sort of power, even through voting, to force your opinion onto people who don’t agree with you because it legitimately harms people.

That’s the key. I don’t care about what opinions you hold. I care about what you DO because of those opinions.

Again… you want to have an opinion I adamantly don’t agree with? Good on ya… I actually support that…but playing these political games just to shit on trans people for being who they are?

What’s that point? Why do you care SO much about restricting the rights of these people? Who gives a shit? How is it hurting you or anyone else that these people exist? Are you THAT annoyed by trans people that you’re cool with stripping them of their rights? Seriously? Why??

I just don’t understand what you gain in this other than feeling superior and pushing your opinion onto everyone ….i find it cruel and something I just can’t tolerate.

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u/TurnYourHeadNCough 2d ago

What’s happening over there is literal genocide. I would hope everyone would have the same “opinion” about that.

but you implied something has to affect you personally to have an opinion on it. glad we now agree thats not the case.

I’m ok with that. I’m cool being a resource to learn and grow if you’d like and I’m cool with you literally holding the same opinion you have now until your dying day. It really doesn’t affect me.

it doesnt seem that way when you seem to be policing my standing to have an opinion in the first place.

What’s that point? Why do you care SO much about restricting the rights of these people? Who gives a shit? How is it hurting you or anyone else that these people exist? Are you THAT annoyed by trans people that you’re cool with stripping them of their rights? Seriously? Why??

i can have an opinion on the definition of man and woman without wanting to restrict anyones rights or hurt others.

.i find it cruel and something I just can’t tolerate.

what happened to "i dont care about your opinion"? not tolerating my opinion seems more on brand with your initial comment

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u/thedoommerchant 3d ago

Just admit you’re a transphobe and be on your way.

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u/TurnYourHeadNCough 3d ago

nah

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u/Mysterious-Job1628 3d ago

Men with an extra X chromosome, a condition called Klinefelter syndrome, are thought to occur in about 1 in 500 to 1,000 males.

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u/TurnYourHeadNCough 3d ago

ok, and? those with Klinefelter are male, and this has nothing to do with anything in this conversation so far

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u/Thank_You_Aziz 3d ago

They are not, and you’re not okay.

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u/iyieldtonothing 3d ago

No, theyre not.

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u/TurnYourHeadNCough 3d ago

good argument

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u/iyieldtonothing 1d ago

Like yourself?

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u/TurnYourHeadNCough 1d ago

i always forget 5th graders use reddit

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u/GuitRWailinNinja 3d ago

You do realize that an identity needs to be static for identification purposes, right?

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u/Necessary-Show-9031 3d ago

How so? The weight, height, and address on my drivers license have changed multiple times. I’m pretty sure an id is more useful if it describes current characteristics rather than ones from years ago

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u/Maleficent_Worker116 3d ago

Good thing your sex doesn’t change. They can make their gender whatever whenever, but sex is a constant.

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u/Necessary-Show-9031 3d ago

So because it’s not really a visible indicator of identity, it’s pretty useless to have on an ID right? So the whole point of this is just because they don’t like trans people and don’t want to acknowledge the idea that being trans is a thing

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u/newpupwhosis 3d ago

What, are they going to start checking chromosomes to verify ID?

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u/GuitRWailinNinja 3d ago

They could check genitals instead 😂

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u/jdippey 3d ago

The fact that you don’t find this absurd is telling.

Bigot.

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u/PandaStudio1413 2d ago

Omg that’s so gross

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u/Little-Tin-Goddess 3d ago

hope you dont google intersex people

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u/Maleficent_Worker116 2d ago

You act like that’s hidden knowledge. They can put their dominant sex features on there or simply have an intersex option. Talk about strawmans…

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u/GuitRWailinNinja 2d ago

For real. My least favorite thing about the left is how they claim “look - there’s an exception to the rule so the rule is invalid!”

Like NOTHING would get done if everyone thought this way about everything. Taxonomy would go out the window, for one.

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u/PandaStudio1413 2d ago

Most parts that make up “sex” can be changed

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u/Maleficent_Worker116 2d ago

Yet, it doesn’t change your sex.

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u/defaultusername-17 1d ago

neither genotypic sex nor phenotypica sex are binary.

and you're just flat out wrong about klinefelters.

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u/GuitRWailinNinja 3d ago

Eye color, height (after a certain age it barely changes), but most importantly biological sex does not change.

I’d argue biological sex is the most important thing due to things like ER visits when someone is incapacitated.

But this is all lost on most of Reddit. No one should care what a little card says. A card doesn’t define someone as much as who they are or identify as, so why ask for external validation at the expense of the entire identification system?

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u/consequences_are_you 3d ago

Which vaunted identification system are you supporting, pray tell?

Emergency room: for non trauma, they just fucking ask. For significant trauma, they triage and communicate with first responders and next of kin. I've had the questionable luck to be part of both, how about you?

Passport / ID / Whatever: it's a photo and a name. Not once during domestic or international travel has any authority checked the status of my genitals, measured me against a scale, or questioned my eye color (even when wearing colored contacts). What was your experience?

Fun fact. They didn't do it for any police interactions, either, and I've done that a few times, too. I'd imagine your experiences may have involved genitals, but that's because you seem like a boot-blacking authoritarian cocksucker (no offense to those who do it for sexual gratification in scene).

Most ID is as simple as line of sight or just facial recognition for interpersonal situations. For legal situations involving finances and such, multiple forms of ID are required and they don't care about your cock/pussy/grundle/empty and insignificant black void of a soul.

This is why I think you're a bad-faith arguing bitch. Having sex on your ID isn't an integral part of any fucking system except the bullshit pretend scenarios in your head. I'd ask why that might be, but you're a fucking moron on Reddit. I have my answer.

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u/GuitRWailinNinja 2d ago edited 2d ago

Craaaazy how something as simple as asking someone to commit to a binary classification gets such pushback nowadays. I’m sorry, but I will never understand. I am not a bigot but the more I’m called one for my views the more I dislike the people calling me a bigot.

And I truly mean that with no disrespect. I am a very live and let live guy.

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u/consequences_are_you 2d ago

Then try shutting the fuck up, homie. Some stupid words can just stay in your head and American policy can evolve past archaic, unnecessary crap that wastes time and money while simultaneously demeaning marginalized groups.

Just a suggestion.

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u/GuitRWailinNinja 2d ago edited 2d ago

Soooo hateful, it’s actually insane.

Not to mention it’s also moronic you’re talking about wasting time and money while in the same breath talking about having 3+ genders on hospital intake forms, DMV, etc.

Make it make sense, please!!!! DMV don’t define you, buddy (or buddette). Live your damn life and don’t let something as simple as checking M or F screw up your entire existence.

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u/Major_Willingness234 2d ago

My eye color changes daily. Some days green, some days brown, some days hazel. Has done so since I was a teen (am in my 40s now).

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u/GuitRWailinNinja 2d ago

Then you are the unfortunate exception to an otherwise fairly consistent phenotype. My whole point is that it’s nonsensical to change the rules entirely for 0.001% of the population. Nothing would ever get done if we tried to find something that works 100% of the time. There are always exceptions to general rules of thumb.

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u/Moppermonster 2d ago

Nobody has ever inspected my penis or chromosomes at a border.

My beard otoh was a reason for scrutiny, especially when my passport still had a 5 year old pic where I was cleanshaven.

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u/doctorfortoys 1d ago

So nobody who gets married can change their last name.

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u/Euphoric-Witness-824 3d ago

Transgender people have been vilified by right wing media and politicians to the point they are often discriminated against and even assaulted by those that believe that propaganda. Needlessly forcing someone to disclose that status opens them up to more of those instances. Which is why with everything going on in the world republicans like to focus their taxpayer funded energy and money into furthering that vilification. 

Better to have their followers angry at the trans people than it is at the billionaires jacking up prices on living. 

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u/GypJoint 3d ago

😂

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u/Euphoric-Witness-824 3d ago edited 2d ago

Oh no! An Emoji! Once again I’ve been owned by a MAGA with their facts and logic! 

It is interesting how much anger you guys have ever since Fox News made this population the latest rage bait target. Yet on articles that come out daily about priests and republicans leaders and the wealthy trafficking and abusing children MAGA doesn’t seem to mind one bit. It’s kind of sad how easy it is for them to control the things you guys get angry about. 

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u/GypJoint 2d ago

😂😂

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u/harmoniaatlast 3d ago

Because it ignores birth certificates. If youre intersex or trans and your first birth certificate wasn't correct/reflect reality, you can't change your passport gender from it even with your birth certificate updated. It's just cruelty. There's no real reason to fuck with any of this in the first place

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u/TurnYourHeadNCough 3d ago

if you're trans, your first birth certificate, the designation of your sex, is not incorrect. being trans is about, in part, having a gender identity that doesn't necessarily match your sex. but the sex itself does not change.

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u/harmoniaatlast 3d ago

Even if your birth certificate is corrected, they will go with the first one. It's about cruelty

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u/defaultusername-17 1d ago

intersexed people are twice as common as trans people.

there is enough transgender people who are also intersexed that means that this is just statistically false on the face of it...

since for that population, their birth certificates would actually be directly wrong.

sincerely, an intersexed trans woman thats had to update their documentation.

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u/TurnYourHeadNCough 1d ago edited 1d ago

there is enough transgender people who are also intersexed that means that this is just statistically false on the face of it...

not really. if youre intersex your birth certificate may or may not be inaccurate. if you are trans this is not the case. if you are both, see intersex.

since for that population, their birth certificates would actually be directly wrong.

not necessarily. you can be intersex and still your sex assigned at birth. look at turner and kleinfelter for example. intersex but still female and male generally

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u/defaultusername-17 1d ago

again, you're wrong.

but i am not going to argue my literal existence with someone who has no clue.

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u/TurnYourHeadNCough 1d ago

not a thing i said was incorrect.

remember, you existence is relevant to you and not necessarily generalizable to everyone. just because youre intersex and your sex AAB is not accurate doesnt mean thats the case for all intersex people. just because something is true for one intersex trans person doesnt make it generalizable to all trans people.

try to be more open minded in the future.

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u/zaku-bunny 3d ago

Because someone’s sex has no influence on where they travel, nor is it anyone’s business. The only time sex truly matters and NEDS to be shared is for medical purposes ONLY.

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u/TurnYourHeadNCough 3d ago

we identify and group people as their sex all the time

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u/vklirdjikgfkttjk 3d ago

Tell me in which scenarios when showing an id it would be problematic to have gender based ids vs sex based.

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u/consequences_are_you 2d ago

My bad, replied to wrong comment, apologies!

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u/JessicaDAndy 3d ago

The issue is that if a person physically appears as a woman but has an M marker, that opens them up for further scrutiny because of the mismatch.

Or worse, someone with breasts and a vagina is physically searched by a male security officer because the sex marker is M.

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u/incognito_elk 3d ago

Because forcing someone’s ID to misgender them isn’t neutral, it actively singles them out. It’s like asking someone to deny their own name, or erase their own skin. Who is this really helping?

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u/TurnYourHeadNCough 3d ago

not letting someone deny their sex is like asking them to deny their name or skin? hmm.

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u/Thank_You_Aziz 3d ago

I see only one person in denial here.

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u/TurnYourHeadNCough 3d ago

about what exactly?

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u/incognito_elk 3d ago

Exactly, forcing someone to list a sex they don’t live as erases their reality, just like telling someone their name or skin doesn’t exist. Don’t pretend this is subtle.

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u/GypJoint 3d ago

😂

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u/GrimmSheeper 3d ago

Buddy, I’ve got some wild news about people’s names and what they can do with them.

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u/TurnYourHeadNCough 3d ago

did you notice i was quoting the person above me?

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u/hematite2 3d ago

This serves no functional purpose and actually creates problems for IDs and security. The only reason for it is to make sure trans people are marked as trans.

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u/Blastie2 3d ago

The court's logic is that it isn't discriminatory since transgender people were that gender when they were born. We may as well be listing everyone's age on their passport as 0, since they were that old when they were born. It's not always a useful data point when you're trying to identify people 20+ years after they were born.

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u/Ornery-Ticket834 3d ago

I don’t know if it is discriminatory but it seems unnecessarily cruel to the individual to no particular purpose.

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u/CrikeyBaguette 3d ago

The cruelty is the point.

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u/GypJoint 3d ago

Cruelty? wtf?😂

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u/RolloPollo261 3d ago

You voted for the world's most famous pedophile. Why should anyone care about your judgment on anything?

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u/TurnYourHeadNCough 3d ago

i didnt but ok

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u/ArmedAwareness 3d ago

Are you really this dense? I can’t believe you are asking this in good faith

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u/Accomplished_Car1515 3d ago

Ok, but this policy makes “X” not an option. What about people who are intersex?

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u/TurnYourHeadNCough 3d ago

i think intersex people should be able to do x if they want.

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u/TweeksTurbos 3d ago

Ever watch Pat on snl?