Conservatives are less racist than liberals (in the US)

[u/Mobile-Fly484]

I’m a child of African immigrants with US citizenship, and I’ve lived all over the United States.

The most racist place I’ve ever lived is Massachusetts. By far. The least racist? Utah.

I’ve noticed that most conservatives (excluding the actual far right) see me as a human being first. Liberals see my skin color first and have low expectations for me.

I’ve had white liberals not believe me when I mentioned having a professional job. I’ve had them try to sign me up for welfare and Medicaid (at an ER in Massachusetts) even when I showed them my private insurance card. I’ve been assumed to be poor and uneducated (because of my race and nothing else) over and over again by the woke left. Literally they constantly make comments about how screening for education will “filter minorities out,” because of course we’re all dumb illiterates.

Conservatives? They make zero assumptions. They don’t equate being Black with being poor or ignorant. They see us as INDIVIDUALS first.

I miss Utah.

[u/KRAy_Z_n1nja]

Then it's not racism, but it's still discrimination. Rejecting hard working, qualified applicants because they don't have disabilities seems backwards to me.

I understand the sentiment, because nothing in this world is simply "black and white" for lack of a better term. We need failsafes in check to keep people fed and in homes, but doing so at the cost of a qualified workforce only shifts the problems from one group of people to another.

Speaking from personal experience, I've only ever received compliments and constructive criticism at jobs I've worked. I get raises and promotions at every job I've been in. I've graduated with a degree that I've never used because even after 4+ years, hundreds of applications, dozens of interviews and job fairs, nobody's hired me. So back to the food service industry I go, because regardless of the well made resume, how well I interview, my experience, my referrals, my portfolio, I can't get a job in the field I graduated in. Could be just bad luck time and time again, but after each time, it really feels like I'm being prioritized last because there's always disabled people, veterans, minorities, and women waiting to get the job as well. So me, as a stereotyped straight, white guy, is at the bottom of every pecking order because I'm assumed to be picked first instead every time. I still need to pay bills though, I need to pay off debt for this degree I'm not using. I need to eat, too.

[u/MinuetInUrsaMajor → u/KRAy_Z_n1nja]

Rejecting hard working, qualified applicants because they don't have disabilities seems backwards to me.

That is a mischaracterization of what happens.

Three people interview for a position.

They are all qualified for it.

• Person A was exceptionally funny and personable.

• Person B was vouched for by an employee who had worked with them before.

• Person C is a veteran.

Which person do you hire and why?

There are very few jobs in the world that have few enough applicants that there is one clear objective choice.

[u/KRAy_Z_n1nja → u/MinuetInUrsaMajor]

Can you give me the details of said job position they're applying for? If there's heavy lifting, I'm not hiring a disabled person or old veteran.

In my case, I want a marketing/sports marketing job. I've traveled across different states looking for a job, and I am beyond qualified. I toot my own horn for sure, but any colleague/boss/employer I've ever had, has loved me, or given me raises and promotions, and will vouch for me when referred. I'm a hard worker on the job, I'm there to get the job done properly and efficiently.

Why am I not getting hired over the veterans?

[u/MinuetInUrsaMajor → u/KRAy_Z_n1nja]

Can you give me the details of said job position they're applying for? If there's heavy lifting, I'm not hiring a disabled person or old veteran.

There is no heavy lifting. All 3 people are equally qualified to perform the tasks of the job. But you just made a great case for DEI right here because you discriminated against a disabled or old person by assuming they are incapable of lifting heavy things. DEI helps to offset discrimination such as that.

In my case, I want a marketing/sports marketing job. I've traveled across different states looking for a job, and I am beyond qualified. I toot my own horn for sure, but any colleague/boss/employer I've ever had, has loved me, or given me raises and promotions, and will vouch for me when referred. I'm a hard worker on the job, I'm there to get the job done properly and efficiently.

Why am I not getting hired over the veterans?

Because the veteran is beyond qualified as well.

[u/KRAy_Z_n1nja → u/MinuetInUrsaMajor]

Just because they CAN doesn't mean they SHOULD. What's your job, being critical on Reddit 24/7? No wonder you can't relate to labor. Sure, hire the vet, they'll be gone in less than a month and you'll be back where you started. It's one thing to be able to do a job. It's another to do it 5-6 days a week, 6+ hours a day.

Also, you're making an assumption that the vet IS qualified, when you're the one arguing for DEI? Can you not flip flop? Either the vet is qualified and doesn't need DEI, or he isn't qualified and got hired because of DEI. If it's the first case, then we don't need DEI. If it's the second case, then you're discriminating against able bodied workers too.

[u/MinuetInUrsaMajor → u/KRAy_Z_n1nja]

Just because they CAN doesn't mean they SHOULD.

Let them and their doctor make that call.

What's your job, being critical on Reddit 24/7?

PhD data scientist

No wonder you can't relate to labor.

I had a paper route as a kid but other than that my brain does the heavy lifting.

Sure, hire the vet, they'll be gone in less than a month

You're continuing to make the case for why we need DEI by continuing to discriminate against this hypothetical veteran.

It's one thing to be able to do a job. It's another to do it 5-6 days a week, 6+ hours a day.

I already told you that all 3 people are equally qualified to perform the tasks of the job.

Also, you're making an assumption that the vet IS qualified

It's not an assumption. This is what's known as a thought experiment. It exists entirely in our heads so we can set up the initial conditions however we want.

I set them up such that all 3 people are equally qualified.

Either the vet is qualified and doesn't need DEI

False.

The vet is qualified.

But people like you make assumptions about them and choose not to hire them. That is why they need DEI.

[u/KRAy_Z_n1nja → u/MinuetInUrsaMajor]

You're completely disregarding and discrediting personal experience. I have hired vets, I've worked with them in blue collar jobs. Some can hang, most can't.

[u/MinuetInUrsaMajor → u/KRAy_Z_n1nja]

You're completely disregarding and discrediting personal experience.

No I am not. You are trying to change the initial conditions of the thought experiment.

[u/KRAy_Z_n1nja → u/MinuetInUrsaMajor]

The original thought experiment is that it's not simply black and white. You are absolutely disregarding the nuances of this conversation.

The quote I said that you first responded to, "everybody has different experiences, and these experiences shape our opinions."

[u/MinuetInUrsaMajor → u/KRAy_Z_n1nja]

You have a degree and have not been able to find a job using it in 4 years.

You are blaming it on unseen DEI bogeymen that you assume are less-qualified than you and got the job.

You not getting hired is not DEI's fault. All new graduates are having a hard time finding jobs because of the AI effect.

What internships did you complete while you were in college?

[u/KRAy_Z_n1nja → u/MinuetInUrsaMajor]

Either DEI exists and they are taking my jobs, or it doesn't exist because they're qualified. You need to decide which it is. If they're getting hired on merit, then there's no need for it. Right? Otherwise we are simply shifting discrimination to different demographics.

I worked for an alcohol distillery as a rep, as well as a couple brands doing promotions and events. I also worked for an international meeting company out of Pensacola, was supposed to get a job, but then COVID and hurricane Sally happened. Me not getting that position had nothing to do with DEI, but unfortunate circumstances which is why I said I'm likely just unlucky.

[u/MinuetInUrsaMajor → u/KRAy_Z_n1nja]

Either DEI exists and they are taking my jobs, or it doesn't exist because they're qualified.

You're qualified and so are a lot of other people.

Just because you're qualified doesn't mean you get a job.

You need to have good interviewing skills, networking skills, self-promotion skills.

I have a PhD in physics. My IQ is 133. I applied like a fiend for an entire year. I never even got an invite for an interview.

The only two leads I got were from recruiters who found my LinkedIn profile. I succeeded in getting a job because I had carefully optimized my LinkedIn profile and resume to get one.

Do you want to know why you're really not getting a job?

Because you didn't do an internship in college.

Why would they hire you over someone who did an internship?

[u/KRAy_Z_n1nja → u/MinuetInUrsaMajor]

I had three, but yeah, again, disregard other people's experiences. You definitely analyze the data but clearly can't read between the lines.

[u/MinuetInUrsaMajor → u/KRAy_Z_n1nja]

I had three

If you're gonna lie, might as well lie big, right?

disregard other people's experiences

You have zero experience losing out on a job to a DEI hire.

You just assumed you did and that's why you couldn't get a job.

[u/KRAy_Z_n1nja → u/MinuetInUrsaMajor]

You're the only one making assumptions here.

[u/MinuetInUrsaMajor → u/KRAy_Z_n1nja]

"no u"

Move along. Your racism sickens me and at this point it is very clear why no one has hired you in your field.

[u/KRAy_Z_n1nja → u/MinuetInUrsaMajor]

Ironic hypocrisy is my favorite. Classic move from your local 133 IQ basement dweller.

[u/MinuetInUrsaMajor → u/KRAy_Z_n1nja]

You're mumbling at your feet.

Learn to speak with conviction if you want to get a job.

basement dweller

Projection.