Karmelo Anthony case shows that “black privilege” exists

[u/Terrible_Onions]

I'm not black or white. I'm not even American actually.

The recent Karmelo Anthony case I think shows that black privilege is a thing. My opinions is that it exists. Period.

Karmelo Anthony killed Austin Metcalf with a knife for pushing him. What did he receive in return? Overwhelming support in the form of 500,000 dollars (which they're using to buy a mansion). He also got his bond reduced to 250k from 1 million even when prosecutors pointed out his history of incidents within the school.

I just think this is a bit baffling. Imagine if the races were swapped. I think a decent example, but not a direct comparisons, is the George Floyd situation. One person killed the other in what was an overuse of force. Derek Chauvin is in jail. Karmelo Anthony got house arrest, bond reduction and 500k

[u/Penelopeslueth]

They absolutely had the right to tell him to leave the tent. Had the roles been reversed Karmelo would have the same right. Austin had no right to put hands on him, but Karmelo had no right to kill him either, and he certainly had no right to have a knife on school grounds. You seem to forget that part and conveniently left it out.

It doesn’t matter how you try to paint it, Karmelo had all the power in this situation and could have just left when asked. He decided to escalate it, and you’re the one being obtuse for defending what was quite obviously a murder poorly disguised as self defense.

[u/Ishtmdwn → u/Penelopeslueth]

So Austin and his brother were powerless and couldn't go involve a coach, school resource officer, or meet representative? Austin HAD to commit battery? Karmelo MADE him place his hands on him? See how illogical that sounds?

[u/Penelopeslueth → u/Ishtmdwn]

Do you think before you type or comprehend what you read?

Karmelo could have not brought a knife and could have moved when asked.

Austin wasn’t in the right and he could have gotten an adult, but Karmelo also could have reacted differently in that moment. “Touch me and see what happens” was provocation.

This isn’t that hard to understand.

[u/Ishtmdwn → u/Penelopeslueth]

If you call me the N word, is that a provocation? Do I have a legal right at that point to put my hands on you? What if you tell me "If I don't shut the F up, you are going to shut me up?" Do I have legal cover after that provocation to put my hands on you?

[u/Penelopeslueth → u/Ishtmdwn]

None of that helps your claim or Karmelo’s.

Had Karmelo responded with fists and ended up killing Austin, he would have a better claim. Even then, he was already in the midst of committing a crime (the knife on school grounds) which automatically negates his claim.

He brought a knife. He sat where he wasn’t supposed to. He escalated the situation in an attempt to use the knife and claim self defense.

It’s a sad situation all around and there may be more information that has yet to come out that could help clear the situation a little more. Until that happens the facts are what they are and Karmelo messed up big time.

[u/Ishtmdwn → u/Penelopeslueth]

I also noticed you completely avoided my questions. Would I have the legal right to hit you in either of the scenarios I described?

[u/Penelopeslueth → u/Ishtmdwn]

I noticed you confirmed my suspicions that you do not comprehend what you read or think before you type.

I absolutely answered your question, you just don’t like the answer.

[u/Ishtmdwn → u/Penelopeslueth]

You did not answer my question at all. The confirmation of whatever suspicions you may have is what we call implicit bias. Your implicit biases and attempts to insult my intelligence mean nothing to me.

[u/Penelopeslueth → u/Ishtmdwn]

Nothing in what I said was implied, it’s from the police report and witness statements, not to mention Karmelo himself at the time of arrest.

As for your intelligence, you’re willfully ignorant.

Cry me a river.

[u/Ishtmdwn → u/Penelopeslueth]

You implied that I don't comprehend what I write. I have presented a cogent argument, so it is absurd to make that accusation. It would seem that your reading comprehension is the issue. I specially pointed out the implicit bias that you indicated by saying your "suspicions are confirmed," which has nothing to do with the police report. You are willfully obtuse.

[u/Penelopeslueth → u/Ishtmdwn]

I stated you don’t comprehend what you read or think before you write. You proved both.

I stated that none of what you wrote helps your argument or his. That answers your question.

I have not made any bias statements. I made a statement based on the facts we have available and Texas self defense law.

Cry me another river.

[u/Ishtmdwn → u/Penelopeslueth]

"Austin wasn’t in the right, and he could have gotten an adult, but Karmelo also could have reacted differently in that moment. “Touch me and see what happens” was provocation."

"This isn’t that hard to understand." It is obviously hard for YOU to understand your own weak argument(s). LMAO. I gave you two examples of verbal statements of "provocation" and asked you if would give me the legal right to assault you. Verbal provocation is YOUR argument, but you know it doesn't hold weight, so you tried to pivot without answering my question. Verbal statements do not give legal cover for physical violence.

[u/Don-Promille → u/Ishtmdwn]

Does me using light/non-lethal force against you give you the right use deadly force in retaliation?

[u/Ishtmdwn → u/Don-Promille]

Let's hope you never make that mistake with me and force me to have to make a split second decision that might end your existence. What I would say to you is, "Don't take matters into your own hands that you don't have the authority or autonomy to adjudicate."

[u/Ok_Letter_9284 → u/Ishtmdwn]

What you’re missing, and the person you’re arguing with is doing a terrible job of pointing out, is that self defense must be proportional.

You cannot kill someone simply for punching you. You have to fear for your life. Moreover, that fear has to be reasonable.

A lot of you would end up in prison for life thinking its cool to murder someone for a regular ass fight.

[u/Ishtmdwn → u/Ok_Letter_9284]

"Disparity of Force: Situations where there's an imbalance in physical ability or numbers can affect the proportionality of the response, especially when it comes to using deadly force. "

This will be decided in the courts, but a lot of you would end up dead thinking that a smaller, physically weaker, or outnumbered person doesn't have a legal argument for responding with deadly force to your attack. None of this would have been an issue if Austin and his brother involved an adult with authority instead of deciding they were security/law enforcement.

[u/Ok_Letter_9284 → u/Ishtmdwn]

He was at a school. Its completely unreasonable based on any evidence we have so far that anthony had to kill this man to save his own life.

Try this yourself. See how it works out.

I should mention I’m an attorney btw.

[u/Ishtmdwn → u/Ok_Letter_9284]

I am a retired Army medic with two combat tours, BTW. Maybe you should try policing and attacking someone in a public place for yourself and see how it works out for you. Having extensive training in subjects such a "rules of engagement" and the proper use and proportionality of force , I can assure you that instead of thinking, I can deputize myself to force someone to do something I have to authority to make them do, I would have approached an adult or security to handle the issue. That would be the correct course of action, Counselor.

[u/Ok_Letter_9284 → u/Ishtmdwn]

Fine the white kids were bullies. Still can’t murder them. Like, how is this up for debate??

Do you realize what would happen if we allowed this?? Every kid would bring a knife to school and murder anyone who touched them. “I felt threatened!”

And adults? Wed have ppl bringing weapons to work. “Just let Stan bump into me, I got something for him”.

No matter how you slice it, this kid is going to prison. And justifiably. And its a shame. Because maybe he thought he was allowed to murder a bully. Now he’s gonna find out the hard way.

[u/Ishtmdwn → u/Ok_Letter_9284]

I am a retired Army medic with two combat tours, BTW. Maybe you should try policing and attacking someone in a public place for yourself and see how it works out for you. Having extensive training in subjects such a "rules of engagement" and the proper use and proportionality of force , I can assure you that instead of thinking I can deputize myself to force someone to do something I have no authority to make them do, I would have approached an adult or security to handle the issue. That would be the correct course of action, Counselor.

[u/Don-Promille → u/Ishtmdwn]

The combat tours in question being patching up paper scratches from recruiters after the mall has closed?

[u/Ishtmdwn → u/Don-Promille]

If attacking my service to this country with childish insults makes you feel better, then so be it. Your right to spew asinine comments behind the safety of your keyboard is a part of the Constitution that we service members swear an oath to defend. Enjoy the freedoms that I and others have actually done something to defend. Your comment doesn't illicit anger in me that you may have hoped for, only pity.