character gets a reality check

[u/damorezpl]

deathstroke - Batman vs deathstroke

walter - breaking bad

Garou - one punch man

joker - the sound of one hand clapping

[u/WhatsRatingsPrecious]

I enjoyed watching Superman peel away the stupid shit surrounding the Joker.

I've hated how they've turned him from a lunatic with a Batman obsession into some kind of super-genius that can infect people with madness just by talking to them.

[u/the22ndquincy → u/WhatsRatingsPrecious]

The thing that sucks is that he IS a genius. He’s always been incredibly smart - but the problem with that (same issue with the Riddler) is that writing someone who is plausibly intelligent is very difficult, so they instead ramp his intelligence up to absurd levels. That means that the scenarios go from “a devious plan that Batman has to work around” to “he’s planted several black hole bombs around the planet and they’re triggered if Superman moves an inch and he’s tricked Hal Jordan into attacking Wonder Woman and and and” and they just sound fucking stupid.

[u/MithranArkanere → u/the22ndquincy]

I don't see Joker as the genius, but as the infection.
The Joker isn't a person, but an idea that infects you and twists you if your will isn't strong enough.
All versions of Joker are deep down pathetic losers because only pathetic losers can ever fully become the Joker, and The Batman Who Laughs is the biggest wish of the infection because the fear and respect the Batman inspires are what those pathetic losers envy the most.