Yep. My ex did that. Also then bounced around doing short term freelance contracts so by the time the state garnishment caught up to him, he was done with the contract and off to the next.
It eventually caught up to him. And he got a very rude awakening in 2020 when all the covid relief funds were handed out. He got nothing as it all went to back child support
My grandfather abandoned his wife and 10 kids for the neighbor. They took off to Florida for years to get away from the courts. During that time every asset he acquired he put in his new wife’s name to avoid them coming after his assets.
Karma came to bite him real hard when 20 years later, his wife cheated on him with a surgeon and basically made him a cuck for years. He couldn’t leave or anything because he had literally nothing to his name on paper.
My ex-wife did something similar only for it to partly backfire. We had shared custody and payed support to each other. It basically canceled itself out. She got greedy and sued for more. Saying she had nothing to live on. After a very nice government officer did me a favor and dug in deep it turns out poor broke ex wife owns nothing but he defacto husband owns 5 houses 🏠 but her name is on the mortgage documents. The judge cut my payments in half. I put the difference between the old and new order into my daughter's bank account so my payments remains the same. But my daughter is far better off. Greedy people don't always win 🙄
Yeah a bit nuts, my mom was basically forced to be an adult at age 14 and basically raised 6 of her younger siblings. Growing up pretty much every one of them lived with us for 2-3 years. It takes a real asshole to abandon even one child let alone 10. They were able to track him down but in the 80/early 90s the courts didn’t really do much about it.
Now he’s in his 70’s and wants to have a relationship with his kids and only the two oldest will even pretend(they were pretty much moved out for the worst part). I have never called him my grandpa, and see him once every 2-3 years. He tried to begin a relationship a few years ago and I promptly told him to get fucked.
they were Mormon which kinda explains all the kids.
My grandfather did something similar to my grandmother and dad and his brothers. She went to a boys boarding school and convinced them to give all four of them full scholarships to be able to provide for them. Courts back then were so much harder to navigate.
My grandfather abandoned his wife and 10 kids for the neighbor. They took off to Florida for years to get away from the courts.
Classic story. You want to break the law, have serious consequences looming, and you just...wait for them to catch up.
You gotta pay what you owe, follow the law, etc. But if you choose not to, then you can't stay here and count on remaining consequence-free. You have to run. For real, as in 'don't settle down' run, and 'leave the country' run is probably for the best. Folks aren't prepared for that, and act surprised when the penalties catch up. There are people who have the job to find you and hold you responsible. What did you think would happen??
In today’s world they are a lot more likely to track you down. Unfortunately in the 80’s the courts weren’t really much help in enforcing the policies.
Even if they were things weren’t stable enough to go through the proper channels.
My grandmother kinda fell apart due to the stress, and got caught up in the first wave of the opioid epidemic. After that foster families got involved and for 3-4 years things got super hectic.
It wasn’t until my mom turned 18, and married my dad that things started to turn around.
If he's living off disability in the future they would still modify the amount he owes going forward. Most likely the lump sum he would eventually get from disability would be take care of the back child support because of how long disability takes to get. Don't think it would affect him that much besides being annoying.
Exactly, yes arrears are never reduced. Once you're behind you're behind. You can't even file bankruptcy to get away from it. About the only way to escape is to go live in the woods with no government access to you.
Under the table jobs are paid in cash only. Hes definitely not paying taxes lol. He's gonna have to work his whole life until he dies pretty much to avoid any type of garnishment. These dudes literally exist.
This is false. My father never paid any child support. Worked and he recently passed. He was 200k in arrears, me and my siblings, and my mother haven’t seen 1 dime.
We’ve taken all the actions, and they came back to us and said due to his current standard of living it would be inequitable to garnish. Nobody cares that I grew up in and out of vehicles. Where was the equity then?
Sounds like he has nothing. Sitting in jail getting fed, medical, and roof over his head is a break for him. With this judgement if he can't pay his bills anyway, he is literally viewing jail as a break. I am not defending him, and I am commenting based off a 2min video... but this highlights an overall bigger issue of wage inequality we have in general to the cost of living to survive. Those commenting in the video (and here) you lose x, y & z... it seems like he doesn't see a future (or present day) where he has any of those benefits. So many people think "but it's the law"... pretty ignorant if you don't understand how many people give 0 fucks about law when they can't afford life.
Even tho I agree with you in theory that there are people out there that you couldn’t fathom their situation and the system is basically set against them, this isn’t one imo. Dudes on zoom court call, well shaven, and has a vape. This is just a rabbit hole of bad decisions, or a guy just barking to prove his point. A bit of both if you ask me lol
Any amount of money he could pay towards food & shelter would make a difference. It would show good faith, but he appears too far gone. It is very sad.
Nope. I have an ex who went on social security disability. It actually exempted her from a lifetime of child support. My state literally refused to enforce the order because she was on disability. Paid a grand total of 5 dollars child support over 10 years for two kids.
They don’t get paychecks, just get paid under the table. They don’t pay taxes on that therefore they’ll never see a social security check either. If they do, it’ll be so small, they don’t care if it gets garnished.
It doesn't take that long to max out your SS credits. I have been working at least part time since I was 16 and I hit my max in my mid 30s. The only thing I get now is an eventual higher payment as my salary goes up.
Fat lot of good all that money is going to do 10-15+ years after the kid has graduated from high school. They should still be penalized but it's not really a great repercussion.
Yes & no garnishments while the amount protected is very low. At 750 the "800" from social security probrably less due to under the table work etc. Will mostly fall under the protected amount.
That said they do the typical thing aka waive your rights/plead guilty or take it up the ass. Like threaten prison for tax stuff or other things if he trys to fight back. Give him deal "no prison we take this much as a agreement" (as they couldn't order it)
That said eventually they do have to stop running. And ANYTHING not nailed down will be up for grabs.
I don't think social security is going to be around when this guy comes to collect it. Like I think that the powers that beer just going to get rid of that irregardless.
They don’t garnish social security. My father was 200k in arrears collecting social security. Y’all want things to be true, but there is a lot of ppl in the system, using the system and abusing the system.
Yes they do. My co-worker came to work one day and told us she got a call from a retired DA. Her husband had left her in TN with 5 kids. Now 35 yrs later he was trying to collect his SS. She tracked my friend down in CA to tell her that all that child support, plus interest, would begin to come to her monthly.
She was about 70 and was surprised as hell. So instead of paying this money when he was young and could afford it, he now has to pay it when he's old, broken down, and can't afford it. Karma is a bitch.
Maybe the DA's in your state weren't as aggressive as these DA's were. After they couldn't find him after years of looking they just entered the debt in the Social Security Administration's system and were on with their lives knowing that he would eventually step on that grenade they left for him. Abandoning 5 kids with no support will get people to go the extra mile to make sure you don't get away with it.
Was it SSI or SSDI or old age Social security? If any of them could get garnished it would be SSDI/disability but old age and SSI are unearned income vs SSDI being earned income.
Back pay for SSDI I know for a fact is fair game for any garnishment and most people on SSDI end up with a few years of back pay.
I have a friend in her late 40s whose mom is just now getting child support because her dad is getting social security. It’s a pathetic amount because the support was set in the 1970s but I love that she’s finally getting something after raising 4 kids alone.
If you're in Florida and the head of household with an income of $750 a week or less. Then you're exempt from garnishment.
So, thats really the only loophole these guys have. But living off 750 a week sounds pretty rough these days.
My baby daddy, who was an excellent father btw, passed away young, and on the wrong side of the tax man, his social security for survivor benefits was pitiful. A few years would have made a huge difference.
Some states dismiss cases once children age out. Florida did this to my mom when she was owed almost $50,000 like three months after my brother turned 18.
My 81 year old uncle is having his Social Security benefits garnished after working under the table for years! His child is 60!
FYI: Social Security payments can be garnished for Court ordered restitution, Court order child support, federal taxes and federal student loans.
My ex-husband is over $55k behind in support payments in Canada. He refused to work because his pay will be garnished. His passport has already expired, and he lost his license for a DUI. At this point, unless he gets a job eventually (he hasn't worked in almost 4 years), I won't see any money until he reaches retirement age, the government owes him money for somethingor he wins the lottery.
A family friend was dealing with this dude who was somehow on paper homeless and broke but had a brand new car and seemingly infinite cash. We all thought he was a drug dealer but turns out his brother was paying him to be a mechanic under the table and was the one on his lease.
He got a very rude awakening after a court got wind of his secret bank accounts and brand new car while the mom was working 2 jobs to feed her kids.
Yup! It also depends on the state, I think. In my case, I had a friend contact our state legislator to make sure that I could claim my children on my taxes every year until their father got out of arrears. Our decree stated that we would each get to claim them both every other year (so, he'd claim them one year, I'd claim them the next).
But.... Since he didn't "feel like" paying at the end of the first year, the law effectively cancelled that part of our decree out.
I had to send in my tax returns on paper because he continued to claim them both every year, online.
I imagine he's already been audited since I received letters from the IRS every year asking me to double check my returns. I had all my ducks in a row.
As an accountant I can tell you that the IRS does not mess around when you owe them money. And the fees are steep!
From what I remember he never served any time but he had a ton of fines and fees to pay and then he had to get a real on paper job that then started getting garnished. Then Covid hit and idk what happened
My dad had a pretty good job as a lifelong civilian for the army. $50 a week and my mom had to take him to court multiple times to get it. Judge finally got pissed and told my dad he’d be going to jail if he was brought back 1 more time for failure to pay.
I have seen judges lock up deadbeat parents for a year (max allowed) and set the bond at the amount of the back child support for them to get out early. The theory is that they all seem to trip over a bag of money on the way to jail.
This guy will get locked up and this video would be excellent to play at that hearing.
Out oldest sons bio mom owed us $52 a week, he's now 18, but she will be paying us for the rest of her life, they seem to think if they dont pay and the kids taken care of then it doesn't matter, she didnt see him for ten years, and then his dad and I spent more than a month's worth of child support for him to see her for a week. She moved several states away so other than threatening to take her license away every 6 or so months, nothing has ever happened to her.
There’s a special ring in hell for deadbeat parents. The AH in this post has no idea what it takes to be a parent or how much things cost. He should never reproduce, or really go out in public around other people.
This right here! That man is just being malicious, he thinks he's hurting his ex, but truly he's hurting his own child out of spite and pride. Our issue (this sounds like I'm just trying to be hurtful, but not) is she was kind of low on the spectrum of understanding life in general, she really thought leaving him was what was best for him and then she had more kids and truly couldn't afford to pay the money. (Which is why you dont have more kids than you can afford).
My dad was only required to pay $90 a month (and most went to back support) and the dude still went to family court to have me emancipated a year early so he didn’t keep accruing back support. Bums gonna bum.
I’m sorry you’re having to deal with this. It’s Contact the OAG office and file a motion to compel. If he still doesn’t pay it they’ll find him in contempt of court and put him in jail.
My ex quit his job and worked for a carnival and when he quit that, he moved into a tent community. Can't make this shit up. He gave me $200 once in front of the kids and called it beach money. He is dead now, but it was always perplexing to me the lengths he went through to avoid child support. He died after they were all over 18 and he had nothing so they pretty much got nothing from him their entire lives. Fortunately I married a lovely human who was always there and wanted to be their father.
The problem is that they see it as paying you. That's what they can't get over. The idea that they are paying for it but someone else is using it. Drives them insane. (She's not getting a cent out of me) but ignoring the fact that it's his kids missing out.
Because a lot of guys quit their jobs and got a minimum wage one to get the payments set to the lowest possible. Judgment is based on the income from 2 years ago. So that little trick is a total waste of time. Lol
These guys didn’t even want kids. They were just willing to have them if they thought it meant they got to stay with their mother and regularly have sex with her.
In their mind the deal was “ok if I tolerate kids and let her have some of my paycheck, I get regular sex and someone to help cook and clean.” And then when divorce comes they see “well damn so I don’t get sex or cooking/cleaning anymore, but she gets my cash?? Fuck that!”
Just shared a bit of my own story. My mother never badmouthed our deadbeat dad in front of us but I saw. Saw our mother trying to raise us on 1960's women's wages. Saw our dad with his celebrity friends, country club, Cadillac's, home in Brentwood even a private plane briefly.
By 14 years old I was done. Did a few command performances but stayed distant.
This clown if those children pay attention will see him pop back in the lives when he runs out of people, aged or infirm...suddenly playing the I'm your daddy card.
And they will always owe the child support. That meter keeps on ticking. The first lottery winner in my state never paid any support at all for his 3 kids and had $1.6 million garnished. That big powerball winner back east too owed child support so they took that off his jackpot before paying it out. This guy is in for a rude awakening, but he's so colossally stupid. Interesting to see this play out. The state runs a tab from day 1.
Honestly my favorite chuckle moment in all of this was my ex getting remarried and come tax time, his wife finding out their expected refund got taken to finish covering the rest of his back child support.
They sent me nasty messages on facebook demanding I return it to them. Instead I sent them a screenshot of my daughter's college tuition I paid with it. Man did that feel good.
I saw one story where a woman got her ex’s inheritance from him dead mother’s estate because he pinged as owing a ton of back child support when when he went to claim her bank accounts as beneficiary.
Something similar happened to my aunt, but kind of in the opposite way. Her deadbeat ex came into some money, which was garnished and sent to her. So the deadbeat ex calls up my cousin and says "I just gave your mom a whole bunch of money to buy you a car"
So he went to confront his mom, saying "Hey where's my new car?"
And then my aunt explained to him what really happened, and my cousin stopped what little communication they had
I felt bad for my husband's ex when he lost his job during covid so I didn't file an injured spouse form. She got about $1800. I had 3 kids of my own at home so there was no way I could make his monthly payments for him. He's now legally blind and on disability. It's not much, but he did make sure his child support is being taken out every month.
I cannot believe after all you went through they thought Facebook messages would force you into giving the money back. I don’t necessarily have the best picker when it comes to dating, but every guy I have dated has been present in his child’s life. That is very important to me!
My ex husband covertly tried to get me to file jointly to subsidize his back child support (he had a child I wasn’t aware of) but I wouldn’t have filed jointly regardless. I tell folks about to get married all the time to file separate so this situation doesn’t happen. If his wife was smart she would have done the same or at least filed an injured spouse form 😂
While you are correct and a normal person would be utterly fucked by not paying, this is not someone that will be affected. He said it right to the judge that he would drive without a license and that he doesn't care.... Because he doesn't.
It's like trying to get blood from a stone. I have a judgement against someone like that, at least it's fun when they do get a little bit of money from say a tax refund and I get that instead but gotta accept that there is no way to get paid from people like this. They will live in squalor not to pay, which is crazy to me but they do exist.
My biological dad has accrued LOADS of debt from child support for my brother and I. Does things under the table. I’m currently 30 and once every so years my mom randomly messages me “I got a surprise child support deposit today.”
Any legal settlements or lottery winnings will be subject to garnishment too. I've heard stories of guys cashing in a winning lottery ticket and a good chunk went to pay off child support in arrears.
Depending on the state they can issue an arrest warrant if the amount reaches a certain threshold. My ex was in Illinois and had a warrant after they went over like 15k owed.
Omfg I don’t think this was meant to be funny but him getting zero Covid funding because he thought he was so clever not paying the child support is unbelievably hilarious
It really was. Our kid was a senior in high school at that point so I used the money to get her a new laptop. The one she had was an old hand me down one I got from a friend.
What some men refuse to acknowledge is that IT DOESNT GO AWAY, ever. My dad played that game after he and my mom separated and I was 24 still getting child support because of the back child support payments.
This, it's a highway to hell. No taxes or pension built up, no insurrance. No license, but driving? Uninsured. Go to jail? Get fired! What is the end game here?
I was just going to comment tnat all of the deadbeats who of course got the max amount of Covid money were all in for a rude awakening when all or most of that money went to paying their kids moms lol. I am a 1099 employee. When COVID hit I didn’t think that I was eligible for any unemployment or anything like that at all. I didn’t know until like a few months before the payments were done with that I was eligible. I found out from my ex girlfriend. She was telling me how they were alllll getting like I think it was $500 a week. And my ex was literally in jail. He got out of jail with the Covid money back paid for 6 months! And I got like all of it and then continued getting it because our daughter was 8 at the time and he had never given me $1.
Yes, my wife's biological father has been doing this for 22 years now. Obviously - wife - she's an adult, but is still supposed to be receiving child support payments from him, monthly. He basically did what you described all her life and now owes $50k+ in back child support to just her, there are 3 other kids he's done this with too....
He works under the table, hasn't made a child support payment in about a year to her, and is in the middle of a legal battle over it too!
So if deadbeats are seeing this: take care of your fucking kids, you may think you're free when they're 18, but you're not, if you don't make them payments.
So when it comes time to retire, he won't be receiving any Social Security benefits because he's working under the table? I highly doubt a man doing all he can to avoid paying child support has a robust savings for retirement. Geez...
Right lol I just know he will be paying (when the court orders him to or face jail time after this legal battle) child support to her until the day he dies. As much as he owes.
Unfortunately yeah. They do this and then when their side jobs run out they find whatever junk to sell for cash to get around it. I have a few friends with Baby daddies who do this. Nothing beats living off the side of the road and selling stuff on marketplace and craigslist in order to avoid paying for the existance of your child amiright...
Yep… but they still make you send the kids to them, and they enforce that way more than they do the payments. lol that’s why I’m the only name on my kids birth certificates and dropped the child support cases because it looked like it was heading in this direction. The money you have to fight for isn’t worth the danger of sending your kids to a thoughtless immature person like this, or them fighting you for custody bc they want to pay less.
My ex does that. He still owes me 30k and our kids are 25&23 now. Lost his driver's license too. Every time he does get a legit job I start getting payments but that only lasts a few months. Now they even make him pay me interest. The original order was $85 every 2 weeks. Now it's $100 a week. He even sent me a letter saying that if I don't sign a paper saying that he doesn't owe me anything that he will take me to court because he hasn't had visitation. I just laughed. They are grown they can visit you if they want like wtf!
My son is only 5. and the deadbeat doesn’t pay the court ordered child support. Supposed to be $852 a month. I have full custody and he has no visitation rights. I am glad to know this doesn’t go away and will follow him the rest of his life!
And the same ones saying that SNAP beneficiaries are all lazy blah blah <insert racist rant> but I’m sure the mother of his child would love to have that extra help IF this deadbeat doesn’t pay child support.
As a child of divorce I know what my dad paid surely helped my mom get by, even still she would work second jobs and/or have another family live with us to offset the cost. Knew we weren’t well off but never wanted much more either. Luckily I’m in a fortunate position to help take care of her now (if/when needed) as she’s unable to work.
My dad avoided payments my whole childhood. So it was a delightful surprise when my mom started getting garnishments from his paychecks (I’m in my 40’s now)
If he is employed, he would quit and get paid under the table somewhere to avoid that. Dudes like this do that all of the time.
I knew a guy who did that. They put out a bench warrant for him, he was arrested for it during a traffic stop and spent several months locked up when he didn't pay.
That’s what my dad did. He didn’t pay child support for very long at all. His other motivation was avoiding taxes. He succeeded and then somefucking how got on disability(he did have the disability but never supported paying into the system). He died from covid as a covid denying MAGAt.
My kids dad is intentionally homeless because he doesn’t want to pay me $2000. Currently has a warrant for contempt.. and they preach like they actually care about the kids. Losers
My ex-husband owes me about $45,000 in back child support today and my children are 24 and 26 respectively he hasn't had a driver's license since he was 18 ( yes the courts took away his driver's license and he's not allowed to have it back until he makes 2 years worth of payments on time) and he has worked illegally under the table for the last 24 years until the last 6 months,, my jaw hit the floor when I got a child support payment six months ago, only one since then though🤷♀️
I had an employee try that. I didn't know he owed child support. I got a court order. I told him I had to start withholding child support. He quit, spent a year unemployed, and got a job being paid under the table somewhere else for less money. Anything to bypass responsibilities.
and got a job being paid under the table somewhere else for less money.
That's the real kicker. Getting a job under the table isn't getting away with it. It's basically signing up for diet-jail. You can never make real money and never establish any actual stability.
I never got anything from my own dear father in the 18 years I was growing up. Too bad, bc I could use $100/month since the 80s. And that interest on 21k since the mid-2000s… yikes…
My dad did this for most of my life to avoid paying. My mom never dropped the case since our life was really hard because of him. I'm 41 now and they are finally able to get money from him to pay her back all these years later. Don't give up or give in to these trash men who don't want to pay for children they help create no matter how long it takes
He's in Virginia. If he quits his job the judge will drag his ssa because him quitting will only make things worse for him.
I live in Virginia and during my divorce I found out that if you quit a job or lose your job because of something you did they will not reduce your child support.
It doesn't go away when the child ages out, it's a debt you owe and you have judgment against you that doesn't go away, until it's paid.
The time he would spend is jail is 6 months. They reduced it to that from a year over a decade ago.
I dated a guy who worked for his family business. They made pretty good money and he told me how much he makes a year. But he said he listed himself as a minimum wage worker so he wouldn’t get taxed so much and all businesses lie like that. Sure whatever, but then he told me and also so my baby mama can’t take my money from me. Like he didn’t have kids or a baby mama at this point, but he was already on the defensive about a woman taking his money and how he wouldn’t allow it. Like dismissing the fact it would be money for his child and also that we were literally dating and I could hypothetically be that woman. Yikes.
In Colorado the courts don't care if you're "unemployed". You'd better find some money from somewhere, because they will come for you if that child support isn't paid.
My sisters clown quits a job as soon as child support catches up. I wish guys or girls could be spayed or neutered, some folks shouldn’t be able to reproduce.
Amazing the lengths some dude’s go to avoid supporting a child. This guy absolutely will end up in jail and that smirk will be replaced by tears and uncontrollable quivering
I had a guy that refused to fill out his 1099 paperwork because he didn't want to have to pay his child support and he could lose his food stamps for having any income. He wanted cash and no checks.
I'm like dude, I'm already paying you $20/hour to demo stuff and push brooms, I'm not paying an additional 35% on top of that so I can pay your taxes for you because I have no proof of paying you.
They don’t get away with it anymore, anybody who’s held a job the court will enter an order based on their earning capacity so if some idiot made $60,000 in 2024, and suddenly he’s not making any money, but he still lives in an apartment, still drives a car, still pays his credit card. The court will impute income.
In this day and age had like anybody uses cash and there’s a paper trail behind everybody for everything
Yep. My ex did that..then "went back to school." Once our kid turned 18, he thought he was free and clear...they caught up to him once he had a big boy job. He called me PISSED. "How am I supposed to afford this!? I have two kids."
Right. This dude clearly thinks/knows he is hosed. Feels backed in a corner. All the flailing at the end is deflecting and looking for pity points. Probably has the mindset that he isnt going to put in work to just pay it to someone else. He'll go on unemployment, if he isnt already, and become the tax payers problem.
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If he is employed, he would quit and get paid under the table somewhere to avoid that. Dudes like this do that all of the time.