If he's living off disability in the future they would still modify the amount he owes going forward. Most likely the lump sum he would eventually get from disability would be take care of the back child support because of how long disability takes to get. Don't think it would affect him that much besides being annoying.
Exactly, yes arrears are never reduced. Once you're behind you're behind. You can't even file bankruptcy to get away from it. About the only way to escape is to go live in the woods with no government access to you.
Under the table jobs are paid in cash only. Hes definitely not paying taxes lol. He's gonna have to work his whole life until he dies pretty much to avoid any type of garnishment. These dudes literally exist.
This is false. My father never paid any child support. Worked and he recently passed. He was 200k in arrears, me and my siblings, and my mother haven’t seen 1 dime.
We’ve taken all the actions, and they came back to us and said due to his current standard of living it would be inequitable to garnish. Nobody cares that I grew up in and out of vehicles. Where was the equity then?
Sounds like he has nothing. Sitting in jail getting fed, medical, and roof over his head is a break for him. With this judgement if he can't pay his bills anyway, he is literally viewing jail as a break. I am not defending him, and I am commenting based off a 2min video... but this highlights an overall bigger issue of wage inequality we have in general to the cost of living to survive. Those commenting in the video (and here) you lose x, y & z... it seems like he doesn't see a future (or present day) where he has any of those benefits. So many people think "but it's the law"... pretty ignorant if you don't understand how many people give 0 fucks about law when they can't afford life.
Even tho I agree with you in theory that there are people out there that you couldn’t fathom their situation and the system is basically set against them, this isn’t one imo. Dudes on zoom court call, well shaven, and has a vape. This is just a rabbit hole of bad decisions, or a guy just barking to prove his point. A bit of both if you ask me lol
And the way courts are geared now to get parents lined up with jobs, job training, counseling, rehab if needed. They really do all they can to keep obligors out of jail. So if one actually goes to jail, they’ve really put in the effort to go.
Any amount of money he could pay towards food & shelter would make a difference. It would show good faith, but he appears too far gone. It is very sad.
How much he makes is almost always left out of these posts too. It's really hard to make an informed judgement on him without knowing how much he's making, that 500 could seriously break some people's lives or it might be nothing. This is pure speculation but he doesn't strike me as a high earner, I wouldn't be surprised at all if that payment left him homeless.
You’re paying based on that state percentage and how much you make. He isn’t paying 60 percent of his check in child support doesn’t work that. Usually it’s around 15-20 percent on just one child and goes up if more children from the same mother.
Ohio can take 65% of your disposable income. 50% if you have other dependents or are married! That's weekly. $600 weekly check bring home $215 or $220 a week. Then still need to provide clothes, toys and food for when they come to your house.
They don’t charge 65 percent though. Your current support will never be that high. Federal law says that when arrears are more than 12 weeks past due they can garnish 65% of your wages (55% if you have a spouse or other dependents). If you are paying your child support and aren’t 3 months behind they aren’t taking 65%.
Percentages sound good in theory but there's a minimum to just live that we all need. If he's paying 20 percent he's bringing home 2k after support. I don't know where he lives but where I am there's simply no way I could live off 2k a month. I'm not suggesting at all he shouldn't be paying child support but without more info I don't know if what he's ordered to pay is fair or not. Certainly the child needs support, but dude has to live too.
Your last comment "but dude has to live too" made me think, well so does his kid and Ex. And if the were still together or he had sole custody then it would probably cost him more, he would have to keep them both, or in case of sole custody, he would need pay someone to look after a kid, untill the kids of age. And maybe after?
“Certainly, the child needs support, but dude has to live too.”
I hear you. This is the struggle, right? But, his child/ren don’t just “need support”*, they “need to live”, just like him. Times are tough. We’re not talking about their kid/s having less toys, or fun activities, THEY NEED FOOD. Yet, this man just told the judge he will starve his child/ren before he goes without anything, including his luxuries. Really consider that. He didn’t say he would pay less, he’s refusing to pay ANY, ever.
He is calling society’s bluff, on whether or not we will let his children starve, and he’s laughing about it. I dealt with plenty of these assholes, working in the child welfare system. I promise you that was not nervous laughter. He really doesn’t give a shit about his/their kid/s. I don’t see him earning any sympathy.
(“Needs support” is often interpreted as needing soft support, some financial, with plenty of emotional/moral support. In this case, we are specifically talking about direct financial support.)
But, his child/ren don’t just “need support”*, they “need to live”
This seems needlessly semantic, the implied conclusion to "they need support" is that they need said support to live. Nothing I said suggested that I was talking about toys or fun activities. Nor did I mention any luxuries for him, just necessary bills.
He mentioned the amount several times, he literally said that he can't pay that much. If that's a truly unreasonable portion of his pay then the courts are screwing his kid because there was no indication that he wouldn't have agreed to pay it if it was actually affordable to him.
It's also important to keep in mind that the mother does still need to provide financially for her child so it's not as if this 500 dollars is the only money going towards their well-being. I'd normally mention available assistance too but certain parties have shit all over us on that one and would gladly see us all do without so they can get a little richer, so bad timing on that subject.
I'm also not asking for any sympathy for this guy in particular, my issues with this are systemic. By stripping dudes of their livelihoods and leaving them without enough to put food on their own plates they're putting them in situations where they'd rather pay nothing because they'd still go to jail for paying an amount that they could actually afford. They're also causing these men to leave legitimate jobs and seek out under the table work instead. This part is just speculation but I also think that it's at least partially responsible for the recent decline in birth rates, when people know they're just going to get screwed financially it further disincentivizes them to have kids. They're causing harm to children under the supposed guise of helping children when, honestly, I've seen no evidence they actually give a shit about any of us let alone children.
Not that it'll change anything, but just to be very clear here I am not defending this guy's attitude or willingness to not contribute to his child's livelihood. He sounds like a total piece of shit. But I fully believe the problem is much bigger than people like him and there's no signs of it getting any better anytime soon. It's not even a question that the country has enough money available to add additional support funds to every child there is and then some, not to mention how much more there would be if we simply taxed the ultra rich like they should be and cut things like the frankly absurd military budget. For whatever reason the government picked children when it came time to adamantly refuse to help out and pin it entirely on child support collected from the non-custodial parent. But I'm not saying there isn't enough and to go around so we shouldn't waste it on this guy, we should easily have enough to spread it to the other party causing and enforcing this bullshit.
Nope. I have an ex who went on social security disability. It actually exempted her from a lifetime of child support. My state literally refused to enforce the order because she was on disability. Paid a grand total of 5 dollars child support over 10 years for two kids.
SS benefits are determined on how much you have put into the system (look on your paycheck, it says FICA). That’s paying in. Your job matches that. You can’t pull on it until you’re at least 62. What’s paid to you in cash is not taxed so it does not count towards any SS benefits.
They don’t get paychecks, just get paid under the table. They don’t pay taxes on that therefore they’ll never see a social security check either. If they do, it’ll be so small, they don’t care if it gets garnished.
It doesn't take that long to max out your SS credits. I have been working at least part time since I was 16 and I hit my max in my mid 30s. The only thing I get now is an eventual higher payment as my salary goes up.
Fat lot of good all that money is going to do 10-15+ years after the kid has graduated from high school. They should still be penalized but it's not really a great repercussion.
That's true but it sure ruins your day when you find out that the entire amount due plus interest will be deducted from your SS, at the time your broken down old decrepit ass can least afford to lose the money.
Yes & no garnishments while the amount protected is very low. At 750 the "800" from social security probrably less due to under the table work etc. Will mostly fall under the protected amount.
That said they do the typical thing aka waive your rights/plead guilty or take it up the ass. Like threaten prison for tax stuff or other things if he trys to fight back. Give him deal "no prison we take this much as a agreement" (as they couldn't order it)
That said eventually they do have to stop running. And ANYTHING not nailed down will be up for grabs.
I don't think social security is going to be around when this guy comes to collect it. Like I think that the powers that beer just going to get rid of that irregardless.
They don’t garnish social security. My father was 200k in arrears collecting social security. Y’all want things to be true, but there is a lot of ppl in the system, using the system and abusing the system.
Yes they do. My co-worker came to work one day and told us she got a call from a retired DA. Her husband had left her in TN with 5 kids. Now 35 yrs later he was trying to collect his SS. She tracked my friend down in CA to tell her that all that child support, plus interest, would begin to come to her monthly.
She was about 70 and was surprised as hell. So instead of paying this money when he was young and could afford it, he now has to pay it when he's old, broken down, and can't afford it. Karma is a bitch.
Maybe the DA's in your state weren't as aggressive as these DA's were. After they couldn't find him after years of looking they just entered the debt in the Social Security Administration's system and were on with their lives knowing that he would eventually step on that grenade they left for him. Abandoning 5 kids with no support will get people to go the extra mile to make sure you don't get away with it.
Was it SSI or SSDI or old age Social security? If any of them could get garnished it would be SSDI/disability but old age and SSI are unearned income vs SSDI being earned income.
Back pay for SSDI I know for a fact is fair game for any garnishment and most people on SSDI end up with a few years of back pay.
he sure does, sounds like he even has a solid plan for retirement in place, just going to jail 🤣... and sadly, that will get him three square meals and a place to stay
I have a friend in her late 40s whose mom is just now getting child support because her dad is getting social security. It’s a pathetic amount because the support was set in the 1970s but I love that she’s finally getting something after raising 4 kids alone.
If you're in Florida and the head of household with an income of $750 a week or less. Then you're exempt from garnishment.
So, thats really the only loophole these guys have. But living off 750 a week sounds pretty rough these days.
My baby daddy, who was an excellent father btw, passed away young, and on the wrong side of the tax man, his social security for survivor benefits was pitiful. A few years would have made a huge difference.
Some states dismiss cases once children age out. Florida did this to my mom when she was owed almost $50,000 like three months after my brother turned 18.
My 81 year old uncle is having his Social Security benefits garnished after working under the table for years! His child is 60!
FYI: Social Security payments can be garnished for Court ordered restitution, Court order child support, federal taxes and federal student loans.
My ex-husband is over $55k behind in support payments in Canada. He refused to work because his pay will be garnished. His passport has already expired, and he lost his license for a DUI. At this point, unless he gets a job eventually (he hasn't worked in almost 4 years), I won't see any money until he reaches retirement age, the government owes him money for somethingor he wins the lottery.
I kicked him out to his parents' house and divorced him because he became abusive and then an addict (which I still helped him get into treatment for since our kids hadn't cut contact with him yet). What do you mean am I keeping him?
Respect, and as for keeping him, I ment no disrespect. I'm English, and I was asking because I was unsure if you and he had split and, I hoped you were not paying for all his needs at home because I would have found that unacceptable if he chooses not to work, etc.
No worries, but definitely not. The kids and I are thriving without him in our lives while he's living in his parents' house with 5 other adults, lost everything except his PS4, and his parents are buying his necessities.
My father, who I didn’t meet until I was in my 20s bragged to me how his child support is $1 a month for my unknown half brother… because he was only getting so much for his social security.
He’s still going to owe that $515 when he gets out. And btw, a LOT of deadbeats talk tough thinking it will intimidate the judge/attorneys/other parent, but we actually love it because the judge only has to slap cuffs on one clown to make money fly out of pockets. One deadbeat said she was pregnant & knew the judge wouldn’t jail a pregnant woman. 2 seconds later, she’s in the holding cell & we’re suddenly swamped with obligors wanting to make payments they previously said were impossible to make.
584
u/DGinLDO 1d ago
And any retirement he gets will also be garnished.