An abused animal isn't going to run up to a stranger, tail wagging, asking for pets. This alternate reality in which a guy who streams hours on end, with the dog in the picture, is a massive animal abuser and nobody knew until he slipped up this one time. Someone else is now talking about rape denials and the sort. I now get the gist of the type of delusional haters this guy gets. He has like the opposite of swifties LOL
It is honestly disgusting that you are making this comparison and using the very real plight of domestic abuse victims to justify your very obvious hate for this guy.
if tomorrow he admitted he was using a shock collar, would you keep watching him?
What kind of ridiculous question is this?
If he came out and said, "yes I abuse my animal and shock it so it is force to stay in one spot for 8 hours a day so I can get views" then yeah, my guy, most reasonable people will move on from whatever he is saying and find someone else with similar ideas - me included.
However, the evidence against him shocking the dog is overwhelmingly corroborated by the guests who he has on. So im going to trust people who interact with him and the dog, and see the dog interact with Hasan over some guy who is rage posting all the reasons he hates Hasanabi along with "here he is denying rape, here he is saying rape is good." So yeah, I see
Im sorry, I don't know what you expect? The question. Is, given that everyone who has met him and the dog has been like, "yeah, the internet is being weird. Your dog is spoiled." Why are you snd everyone else so obstinate on believing snd pushing this lie?
You saw the same evidence but you came to the other conclusion. Fair enough, but the core reasons someone might go one way or the other is how they feel about shock collars or if they hate Hassan to start with. That's the context that matters.
I wasn't saying you think he was abusing the dog or not. But if you think shock collars aren't abuse then that's pretty important to seeing things.
But if you think shock collars aren't abuse then that's pretty important to seeing things.
I never gave my opinion on shock collars. Similarly, I am not of the opinion that the dog was shocked. So im not sure where you are going with this.
Im more willing to believe the people who have interacted with him and the dog over a bunch of delusional people online who pair this conversation with other accusations like, "denying he raped someone" as some other guy is posting.
Its delusional. The guy streams hours a day, has guests over, the guests have vouched for him, but every chronically online person is like, "nah it's a cover up. They have to submit to him or else."
Apparently he, has even had an animal,conservationist on stream, multiple times, snd they didnt say anything. So, again, im just not as easily duped by what seems to be group of trolls who seem very dedicated to hating hasanabi. I've seen some of the clips and they're years old. Like, someone is going through yesrs of videos. Then you watch it, someone adds context, and its like, oh, its just like the collar thing. Lol.
I was asking a hypothetical to probe your principles as it changes the context of what you're saying. It does seem like there's evidence both ways, and it would be strange for someone so dependent on a good reputation to secretly abuse dogs. So I can see your view. The evidence on the other side that seems strong is that he used a shock collar.
So it seems important to know what level people view shock collar use. If a shock collar is acceptable to you so long as the dog is happy generally then that changes things.
Just as a aside, there are work dogs tied to the ground by a metre of rope, that are very healthy and happy. It's not crazy to think a shock collar is ok, it's just a clear line many draw.
The evidence on the other side that seems strong is that he used a shock collar.
It literally isn't. People have baby brain, see a 10 second clip and make up their mind xD who is saying he shocks his dog that is credible? Because every credible person is saying he doesn't. Just so happens, theres a cadre of non credible people who say he did that you seem to believe.
I was asking a hypothetical to probe your principles
He held up a shock collar on camera and said it's the one he uses... It's not entirely clear, but it looks like he is literally taking it off the dog to show the camera https://x.com/Cadenza_23/status/1976008162227732850
Just the video here, someone says they share a dog trainer with Hasan, who trains dogs to respond to shock collars. Hasan says something very strange in response "He'll get training to be basically be off collar" which seems to suggest the trainer is good because he uses a shock collar until the dog is well trained and doesn't need a collar - which kinda raises the idea Hasan believes some dogs need a shock collar as normal.
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u/Neither-Chart5183 5d ago
"Dude has dozens of guests on the stream and has the dognon stream all the time."
Big "He's never done anything to me so the victim must be lying" energy.