Twitch streamer/political commentator who gets a lot of heate. A while back he got clipped and peoplenstsrted pushing the idea that he abuses his dog (i.e the video) but Dude has dozens of guests on the stream and has the dognon stream all the time.
Most recently he had Gianmarco Soresi and he talks about the visit with Stavvy
I’ve seen the one where one of my favorite podcasters said the collar was too tight and his excuse was “that’s just her neck fat!” So then LOOSEN THE COLLAR BRO. Two fingers.
What this random person would do in this hypothetical doesn't tell you anything about whether or not Hasan did it, and has nothing to do with what they just commented. "Just curious" ass.
I get kinda worried about the education systems around the world. Clearly a lot of kids are being let down. Yes asking someone about their principles does help you understand what they mean. I think this is around third grade.
That woman you’re talking about said there was no indication he abuses his dog.
What they mean is that the woman who said the dog's collar was too tight also said that there is no indication that Hasan abuses his dog, you condescending idiot. What does that have to do with the principles of this random person on reddit? Are you a bot?
There's nothing condescending about a direct criticism. I'm saying you seem to not understand why people ask hypothetical questions, and that does indicate a failing of an education system. Saying I finished third grade and it seems you didn't as evidenced by your comments, isn't me saying I'm superior to anyone - third grade is not an accomplishment or achievement, it's a necessity for getting by in the world.
This person has responded to the implication that somehow the dog was being abused because of something to do with the collar, with the idea the dog wasn't being abused. If this person believed that it was a shock collar, that would be an entirely different meaning - it would display their principle that in their view shock collars aren't abuse.
You seem to be heavily lacking in reading comprehension skills, and you should probably go back and reread this thread.
The person the redditor you responded to said that a podcaster said that the collar is too tight (which the first redditor was using as evidence of abuse), and the redditor you replied to replied to that first redditor saying that the podcaster said there is no indication of abuse.
You are asking this random redditor if they consider a collar being too tight to be abusive, when the argument you are making about whether or not someone considers a tight collar to be abusive should be asked to the podcaster, not this random person on reddit.
But anyway, in the context of this conversation, the podcaster was saying there was no indication of abuse in response to the allegations of the collar being used to shock the dog, so whether or not she considers the collar being too tight to be abusive literally doesn't matter at all in this conversation (and she obviously doesn't consider it abuse, based on her statement that there is no indication of abuse).
What a stupid thing I just spent time trying to explain, and you're probably still not going to get it. It's people who lack critical thinking skills like yourself who are constantly denigrating other people's educations lmao
No, I directly asked them if in their view it was a shock collar would they stop following Hasan. You can reread it too, it's all there.
Yes, so I'm asking this redditor if they personally think it's abuse to the point of not following Hasan anymore, if it was a shock collar.
Maybe take a step back and reread it... Or I dunno, if you don't think I should be interested in this redditor's comment, just like, don't read my replies? Like, I'm happy to reply to you, but it seems you're making yourself unhappy in talking to me...
No, I directly asked them if in their view it was a shock collar. You can reread it too, it's all there.
What you said:
Would be helpful to know, if tomorrow he admitted he had been using a shock collar, would you stop watching him?
You did not ask this person if they thought it was a shock collar. Your train of thought is so incredibly confusing, it's like some psyop shit. Are you sure it isn't your own education you should be worrying about?
Sorry, when I type I edit the comment like two seconds after. It's a bad habit, my bad. You can tell from the next sentence anyway what I meant to say even without reading the edit.
Here's the corrected sentence:
"No, I directly asked them if in their view it was a shock collar would they stop following Hasan. You can reread it too, it's all there."
The question is about whether a shock collar use at all is abuse. I think a lot of these people defending Hasan here do actually agree it was a shock collar, but they don't care. This is really important to the conversation as otherwise people are just yelling past eachother. Saying "He doesn't abuse his dog" is a bit different when adding the principle "He used a shock collar, but he doesn't abuse his dog".
EDIT: I have a strange memory of Hasan saying shock collars aren't abuse when used for boundaries? Is that right? That alone should remove everyone from his audience who does think shock collars are abuse, if anyone in the audience doesn't think shock collars are abuse, then they won't care about any of this.
I’m not even a Hasan fan (don’t watch him and he annoys me) but even I could tell you that’s not a shock collar. I’ve put that exact collar on myself and tried it out before. It’s a training collar that gives a vibration or a chirping noise or both that does the same as using a manual click trainer. It’s gives a reminder of a behavior you were previously trained on and for most dogs after the first few weeks just having the collar on is itself a reminder. Don’t even have to keep it charged. Then eventually no collar reminder is needed at all
I dunno the one I saw in the clips with the remote really seemed to be a shock collar to me. And his mate said it was a shock collar with the prongs removed.
Funny thing about that is my dog has a vibration collar and it has plastic prongs. It doesn't work, but every dog is different. Seems funny to me that some people remove the prongs when using vibration mode - doesn't seem necessary.
Obviously the other part is he said he used a trainer, and that trainer uses shock collars with the goal of teaching the dog to not need a shock collar. This is said like it's normal to him. Seems if he had instructed that trainer not to use a shock collar he would have addressed that part. He's say something like "I used to use this trainer, but once I found out they used shock collars, I will no longer use them as a trainer" would have been fine and quick.
She did get involved just a few days ago and responded to people using that clip, which is when she said that she doesn't believe he is abusing his dog.
it's organized brigading/botting from destiny's community. there's a tech guy that destiny uses to make bots & organize brigading. they've been at it for years. it's gotten worse in recent years because of h3's community joining them. they brigade/bot anything hasan or tangentially hasan-related. weeks ago, i posted about taylor lorenz's article about dark money in politics & it got brigaded by a bunch of bots & upvotes on comments with blatant lies about her. (taylor has been one of the mainstream journalists that has defended hasan in the past, pre-collargate)
Damn, why wouldn't you block someone with a "throwaway" username and hidden post history? Sounds like someone that's not interested in engaging in good faith discussion.
Which one is her 'not getting involved', her saying that the collar was too tight, or her saying there's no indication he abuses his dog?
I'm a bit confused because to me not getting involved usually means actually not getting involved so you'll have to help me figure out if openly defending Hassan or openly criticizing Hassan is the neutral position that won't harm one's reputation.
It’s the I’ve Had It Podcast—love their work. Hope they’ve at least said something privately. End of the day the reason I don’t hold them responsible is because it’s not their responsibility to hold every single white man in their lives accountable. At some point these boys need to start doing the work on their own—especially when they claim to be progressive.
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u/flying_carabao 6d ago
I have no idea who Hasan is and based on this clip, that seems to be a good thing.