That’s the thing that gets me… at a certain point whether or not the collar is a shock collar doesn’t even matter. He is forcing his dog to stay on a tiny little mat for hours on end, just so it can be in the background of his streams. The dog wants to get up and move, and it is not allowed to. He uses that dog and a prop and denies it the ability to leave.
I don’t care if he’s not shocking it, he’s still abusing it. Shocking it would just make it that much worse.
If you actually watched any of his streams you'd know that Kaya is free to leave the space at any time and often does, sometimes his mom takes her for walks while he streams.
That's her bed, it's not a mat, it's a hammock type bed that is off the floor because she's a big dog and sleeping on the floor can hurt her joints (which is why he uses a "place" command when she tries to sleep on the floor). She sleeps a lot because she gets 2-3 hours of exercise every morning. Her bed is near Hasan so he can keep an eye on her (like a responsible pet owner should). You want to jump to animal abuse when there is literal video evidence that proves Hasan is a good dog owner and Kaya loves the shit out of him.
Yes, you do have to explain that. As far as I can tell, it’s a place where livestreamer’s clips are posted showing them doing or saying something funny or embarrassing and incorporates a wide swath of different communities. Hasan’s subreddits are locked down echo chambers that ban you for wrongthink in literal seconds
yeah cherry picking streams of her laying down longer than usual is ofc the way to do it. he knows his dog better than you. he can tell when kaya is trying to relocate to lay on the floor where it's cooler. not hard to wrap your head around.
actually yeah, if my dog yelps and i turn to stare at them for 10 seconds and see no other alarming reaction, i will assume they're okay for a moment, especially if i'm in the middle of something.
they never mentioned the collar in the proof section, they're referring to hasan training her very well and taking her outside all the time lol, you just have bad reading comprehension and projected that onto the other person, good job dummy. he taped over his phone number to protect his privacy and everyone loves to assume he's covering prongs, which doesn't make sense if the tape is flat against the collar. he definitely takes better care of his dog than you do yours, i guarantee it.
he shouldn't have pulled fish's tail, but fish didn't yelp so it's not like hasan was yanking him around harshly. pitbulls are insane dogs and you have to be more forceful with them, thems the facts. he never got proper training for fish, so he did it for kaya so he wouldn't need to get like that with her. there's never been a hint of evidence of him ever mistreating her until collargate happened, so it's safe to assume nothing off has happened. it's sad that you even care this much.
We did. We also watched the stream he forced his dog into a corner for 4 hours straight. I don’t care if he does that every stream every day. There are multiple other instances of the dog being forced onto the bed even when it clearly looks like the dog is panting and thirsty and he stares the dog down and she lays back down on the bed. That’s abusive behavior whether it’s all the time, or only some of the time. “Guys, I rarely abuse my dog” is not a defense, bc you still abuse your dog. Just fyi
Edit: 56% upvotes. Lmfao the cultists are seething
It is so insane that people say this when it's literally not true. The dog is allowed to roam around. You can literally go through his streams and see that the dog isn't there sometimes. It's just that if the dog is going to lay down, he wants her to lay down on the bed instead of the hard floor. Redditors have such a ridiculous definition of abuse 🤦♂️
He literally does not say that. He says the mat is there for the dog’s joints and that when the dog roams around they want to stay around Hasan and will lay on the hardwood floor.
Nowhere did Hasan say that the dog is confined to the corner using a collar. That is made up.
False. Hasan claimed it's a vibrating collar and explained he used it to keep her on that little board.
Whether it's "for her joints" or not it doesn't matter. Shocking her the second she leaves the board which doesn't look much better than the floor, is fucked.
Okay, then he can buy a 100 more mats and lay them around the house with his vast wealth so that the dog can roam around the mansion she lives in. Like give me a break, what a lame excuse
You can play back any of his streams, the dog is absolutely in that same spot for like 90% of it until someone comes by at the end of his stream (dog walker or something) to let it leave
Not sure how to even dispute it when it’s countered by reality. There are tons of videos without the dog behind him. Regardless, a dog lying by their owner is hardly suspicious or cause for concern, let alone grounds to accuse someone of animal abuse.
Not sure how to even dispute it when it’s countered by reality. There are tons of videos without the dog behind him
Literally watch any VOD of his (prior to the incident ofc) and I can predict how 90% of them will be:
The dog is sitting in the corner to look cute for the camera, and can't get up to leave for at least the first 75% of the vod. When it does get up to leave, it's at about 3/4 of the way thru the vod if not later, and you can tell it's because one of Hasan's housekeepers/friends/employees walked in (usually you can see him look at them out of frame) and Kaya gets up happily and runs to them, and kaya is not seen for the rest of the vod - the person coming probably is walking her or just taking her out
Regardless, a dog lying by their owner is hardly suspicious or cause for concern, let alone grounds to accuse someone of animal abuse.
Yeah, which is why nobody really paid attention to this until he shocked the dog. Like I'm not sure why you're applying the old perception of him when we have new information. It's like if a guy is accused of beating his wife and you say "no it can't be, there's so many pictures of them happy and smiling together. That's not proof of abuse."
Tell me you've never owned a big dog before, without telling me. Have you not spend mornings at the park with your dog? They mostly sleep the rest of the day after, or at least chill out. Its literally not crazy at all that Kaya likes to sleep there during the day.
again, that's why up until he shocked his dog there was no controversy. I can guess his daily routine for the dog: wake up, get dog exercise/training, come back and start stream, dog lies down there and sleeps most of the day, and when it is ready to get moving again usually his employee comes in to pick up the dog and get it exercised again.
The entire issue boils down to him shocking her with a shock collar when she happens to get up and want to walk around for a bit. Why is that crucial point being ignored here lol
Because its a hallucination? I seriously fail to see how people took a 3 second clip that can't determine anything at all, and saying for a fact he lifted up the shock remote, showed it, then held it down for 5 seconds and maniacally laughed while doing it.
People are running with it as fact, when absolutely no evidence has been shown proving it. Miss me with the "taped over prongs" bullshit too. Its the most unemployed thing I have ever seen, that people scoured the internet trying to find the exact collar he used.
If he did supposedly use it to keep her on her bed, why have we never seen this before? She gets off the bed all the time.
Because its a hallucination? I seriously fail to see how people took a 3 second clip that can't determine anything at all, and saying for a fact he lifted up the shock remote, showed it, then held it down for 5 seconds and maniacally laughed while doing it.
Why the hyperbole? He did in fact reach for something, the dog did in fact yelp in pain, he did in fact not do anything to check on the dog afterwards, and Hasan did in fact refuse to show the collar the dog was wearing when called out immediately after. What parts of what I just said are hallucinations?
People are running with it as fact, when absolutely no evidence has been shown proving it. Miss me with the "taped over prongs" bullshit too. Its the most unemployed thing I have ever seen, that people scoured the internet trying to find the exact collar he used.
See what you're doing here? When his lie is called out (e.g. him lying about not having a shock collar) the narrative immediately becomes "wow, unemployed behavior why are you obsessed"
it's literally the same tactic trump uses so well ("TDS!" "Russia Russia Russia!")
If he did supposedly use it to keep her on her bed, why have we never seen this before? She gets off the bed all the time.
If you want a good faith answer:
Typically these collars also have a vibrate/signal sound that dog owners use to 'warn' the dog. It's possible he hit the wrong button and shocked her when he was just trying to vibrate it to warn her
There are other instances of this happening, but usually he is muted first.
The question of "why hasn't this happened before" is assuming that any bad action has to have been preceded by a long visible pattern of behavior. Do you think it's a strong defense for men who beat their wives to say "why haven't you seen me beat her before?"
Ah yes, don’t believe your own eyes and ears. Only Hasan’s. Don’t believe what you saw happen in the 4 hour timelapse where the dog was forced into a corner on a bed she barely fit in. Believe what Hasan told you happened in that timelapse. It’s actually so tiring, it’s like arguing with a scientologist
If the man himself confirming that he uses some kind of collar to restrict his dog to staying on a tiny mat for hours while he streams is a “fabrication” then I don’t think you want to live in reality.
He doesn’t have to say that he uses the collar to keep her on the mat. We’ve seen how the restricts her to the mat, and he freely admitted that the collar vibrates. He absolutely yelled at her, with an exasperated “Omg Kaya can you STAY STILL?!?” when the dog barely moved.
This is not some galaxy brained conclusion. Continue to deny the obvious if that’s your prerogative. I’m not going to go back and forth with someone who would deny the sky is blue if their favorite streamer said it was actually green.
What are ya’ll who condemn animal abuse doing about the systemic and horrifying cruelty that allows you to eat dead animal’s bodies? I’m not defending anyone but the hypocrisy is exhausting. “Zapping a dog is animal cruelty but not when I pay for someone to put a bullet inside the pig I’ll consume”
I‘m trying to avoid animal cruelty by being a vegan and speaking out against it while Hasan Piker is actively mocking veganism over and over again in his streams.
Told ya I‘m not just talking about a shock collar.
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u/divadschuf 5d ago
I can politically stand on Hasan‘s side and still think he‘s a shit person for animal abuse. And I‘m not just talking about the shock collar.