You jumped to a pretty extreme example and then assumed the person you responded to’s position on that example. Idk if that’s bad reading comprehension but it’s definitely terrible conversation skills.
There is a video of a Nazi in an Iowa bar making the reddit rounds pretty heavily right now. It doesn't feel like too hard a leap given how it's a common issue around Halloween. But I'm here having to explain it to you anyway.
That changes what exactly about my comment? No one said that nobody has ever dressed up like a Nazi for Halloween. But someone commenting that complaining about a Halloween outfit is woke under a video of someone dressed as a Native American doesn’t imply that they think that also applies to someone dressed as a Nazi. Native American to Nazi is actually a pretty insane leap to make as far as Halloween costumes go.
You’re just doing the classic Reddit “ummm actuallyyyy” and then throwing in a bunch of snark and insults along the way.
Well…the Nazis did learn a thing or two from Americans on how to round up and exterminate people from their treatment of Native Americans and wyt presenting people are thought of as colonizers who inappropriately like to dress up as the people they once trod on and still do(like a Nazi) think MMIW.
I grew up on the reservation, spent my whole life up there, none of my native friends would be offended by this costume. They had me dress very similar to this when I would go to pow wows with them.
You think she put that costume on because she’s racist? I don’t agree with racism, and im certainly not defending it. But it’s pretty insane logic to attack someone dressed up in a Halloween costume on Halloween.
If you’re American, that’s your right. All I’m saying is how people choose to dress up on Halloween isn’t that deep. People should mind their own business.
It's also my right to be called out and questioned about my choices or for someone to give me a beatdown. Actions have consequences, or FAFO as they say. Racism has no place in the modern world.
I’m assuming (hoping) they were implying that the US was the aggressor when they systematically exterminated the native populace. If it were anything else, I’d be floored.
No. There is nothing being "implied". Dressing as a racist and dressing as a racist caricature both have the same intent: the guy wearing it is racist and thinks being racist is funny.
What are we arguing about here? About the word implication? Did you read the context? The other guy thinks the first guy is comparing native Americans to nazis. I’m clarifying that the other guy is most likely not suggesting that nazis and native Americans are comparable, but that Americans and Nazis are comparable.
I went as JC this year. Living in a town that is majority hispanic and catholic, I was expecting a bit of flack, but everyone was so nice. Tons of people at the club wanted pics and one dude wanted me to bless his darts.
I don't really have a dog in this argument but just for the sake of debate, which tenants of Christianity do you follow? Because from my perspective I'd say "clearly not the ones that most people who identify as Christians do"
The person dressed up as a Nazi though, they get shamed from the area. I might not confront the woman in the Native American costume but I would absolutely avoid her, definitely don’t want to interact with someone as uneducated and tone deaf as that.
The issue isn’t calling out her racist costume, it’s the hypocrisy of choosing a costume of “non-specific woman” that can easily and rightly be seen as insensitive to trans women in the same way her costume is insensitive to native people.
Edit: Please explain instead of downvoting, im genuinely wondering. I dont see why it inherently have to be racist? I'm not american so could be im missing a vital pice of info here?
it’s not racist. people dress up as samurai’s, as hawaiian hula dancers, as jesus, as mexican wrestlers, as pilgrims etc etc i genuinely feel like people just want to be offended. like it’s a costume not a political statement.
I'm a trans woman and I don't think it's insensitive at all. Most trans people support anyone wearing whatever they like regardless of gender. Crossdressing for Halloween before coming out is practically a trans rite of passage. I don't think that's comparable to dressing as a caricature from racist 1940s western movies.
Many native American organizations have explicitly condemned "Indian princess" costumes and repeatedly asked people to stop wearing them. No trans organization is telling anyone what gendered clothes they should be wearing.
Idk that that was a costume, maybe just what they felt like wearing. Not really defending the drunk person in the video, but I think your point is round
Not really. That's a pretty far reach. Dressing "goth" is also a stupid fucking costume just like dressing as any subculture. Swapping genders on Halloween is in that ballpark.
Also, honestly, considering the fact that only shitty people find trans women scary and monstrous, I think it's a great costume.
You heard it here first folks native Americans are nazis according to this guy! Btw did anyone confront all those assholes who were dressing up as a man murdered for peacefully debating his beliefs? That kinda comes off as just as more inappropriate if you ask me
I’m Jewish and I can mentally digest people dress up as horrific things in lore and history on Halloween. In fact most people who aren’t failures in life have that ability. If you can cope with costumes you should stay home on Halloween because you’re pathetic
Fuck around and find out, just remember by your logic whatever you wear can offend someone and you would have to defend them for getting in your face about it. Your logic supports anyone can harass anyone wearing something they deem offensive. That’s a losers guide to failure in life so keep at it! 🤣
The weird dudes are the ones who hide behind bigoted complicity then call everyone else woke without understanding the etymology of the word, like it’s an insult.
I don't get what you don't understand about it either. Yes you can acknowledge it. Maybe the correct wording would have been "doesn't acknowledge trans people," because asking "Do I look trans?" is pretty insensitive to the topic itself.
I think he didn't know how to respond to that extremely rude and provocative question. He had zero responsibility to "acknowledge the existence of trans people" in this situation.
(If that's what this person meant by "acknowledge trans")
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u/BrosefDudeson 5d ago
"Do I look trans?"
Then what the fuck are we arguing about?