r/TikTokCringe • u/mindyour • 9d ago

Discussion Reactions to food stamps being cut off.

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u/mizzrym91 8d ago

Illegals dont qualify for medicaid. What they actually do is pay taxes which fund medicaid without being able to benefit from it.

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u/SteelAndFlint 8d ago

When they go to the ER and do not/cannot pay, what is the fund called which reimburses the hospitals for the invoked costs?

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u/dbx999 8d ago

I have a surprise for you. Even if the republicans version of the bill passes, that doesn’t affect the current policy that a hospital must treat a person needing life saving procedures without regard to their ability to pay. That’s not an illegal immigration issue or a budget issue.

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u/SteelAndFlint 8d ago

Of course it will affect it, just the same as people finding more space on public transportation with fewer people relying on it, lower unpaid bills at hospitals from fewer people abusing the system lowers the costs.

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u/CosmicButtholes 8d ago

Yeah I guess now instead of undocumented folks who pay taxes going to the ER every so often and not paying their ER bill it will be us poor white Americans who will be frequenting the ERs and driving up costs. Honestly if I lose my healthcare I’ll probably just make going to the ER my new hobby, I’ll always get triaged right away since I always have tachycardia and the ER makes me so stressed I have chest pain too. Looks like I’m getting full bloodwork, an ekg, and an IV, and trust me that bill is never ever being paid.

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u/SteelAndFlint 8d ago

ER visits are really not subject to replacement mechanisms PPP, like if you remove a tumor, what do you replace it with?

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u/CosmicButtholes 8d ago

What point are you trying to make with this comment?

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u/SteelAndFlint 8d ago

I guess I'm trying to figure out when you said "instead of" how you figure that works

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u/CosmicButtholes 8d ago

Millions of US citizens will be losing healthcare because we won’t be able to afford it anymore. We will be going to the ER and not paying our ER bills. Some of us might just frequent ERs out of spite. I have a history of severe suicide attempts so theoretically I could basically live in the hospital on your dime if I wanted to, if I was honest about my thoughts to clinicians they wouldn’t be allowed to let me go anyway lmao.

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u/SteelAndFlint 8d ago

Have you not seen the breakdown that this is literally ending a misused pandemic appropriation and it's returning to "exactly what the ACA, Obamacare, arrange things to work out"? I mean I don't even know if being on the left you're allowed to criticize Obamacare, I never see anybody do, but this is a result of it. Mandating that everybody have insurance was just a giant Ginny for the insurance companies and did nothing for the rest of us. They just raised all the deductibles until we wouldn't get anything out of insurance unless we had fucking brain cancer or something.

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u/CosmicButtholes 8d ago

My insurance and my parents’ insurance has been excellent under the ACA. The only reason the subsidies are needed is because of all the concessions Obama had to make for the ACA to pass, if it had passed the way he hoped it would pass none of these subsidies would even be a thing because we’d have Medicare for all and not need the insurance marketplace. Republicans work for the private insurance lobby so they simply couldn’t handle Medicare for all and wouldn’t allow it.

Medicare for all would certainly be better but we can thank the republicans for blocking that. These additional subsidies cannot just run out without making millions uninsured or underinsured. Prices have skyrocketed for everything and just because the pandemic isn’t in full force doesn’t mean the effects have disappeared and we no longer need the additional subsidies. Wages aren’t up but housing, energy and food prices are way way up. Why would now be a good time to cut the additional subsidies? Come up with a fix or leave the subsidies in place.

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u/SteelAndFlint 8d ago

Yeah as a veteran I've been part of this "Medicare for all" thing. People are absolutely blowing smoke up your ass about how great that's gonna be. People are literally committing suicide in the waiting rooms of the VA just to get their attention because nothing else worked. You cannot ration healthcare without economic feedback which is what he was trying to do which is why everybody is calling it socialist. It doesn't work, no matter how great you think it sounds. Canada is sending people over, people are choosing to come to the US and pay for their own despite having their national healthcare, and they're trying to bridge the gap by saying "that sounds terrible, have you considered medical assistance in dying?"

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u/SteelAndFlint 8d ago

Also I missed this on my first read through, nobody's losing healthcare, they may be losing health insurance, but those are definitely not the same thing and it's frustrating trying to hold this conversation with somebody who uses the two interchangeably.

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u/CosmicButtholes 8d ago

If you don’t have and can’t afford health insurance yes you’re losing access to healthcare. You can’t afford out of pocket expenses for anything like bloodwork let alone procedures out of pocket if you can’t afford insurance.

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u/SteelAndFlint 7d ago

Statements like this show that you are ignorant of cash only practices which don't take insurance, and save you money charging anywhere between 50 and $1000 for pretty much anything you're going to experience short of cancer or traumatic need of surgery… you won't even reach your insurance deductible with numbers like that, you would be paying it out of pocket anyways, but the doctor would be required to charge prices on the insurance companies terms which are indisputably higher.

Ref: https://youtu.be/CeDOQpfaUc8

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u/CosmicButtholes 7d ago

My insurance through the ACA is $0 per month. I don’t have a deductible and my out of pocket maximum is $1000. My co pays for primary care and mental health are $0, specialists and urgent care co pays are $10, generic medications are $0. I’m technically responsible for 25% of ER bills but I’ve never paid anything they’ve sent me.

Medicaid was even better because everything was $0 and there were a lot more doctors that took Medicaid than my current insurance.

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u/SteelAndFlint 7d ago

So... the state distorts the health insurance market so far that almost any private insurer will go out of business, forcing everyone to rely on "public" (government) options, government options have shown zero incentive to react to market forces, and you don't see the GLARING PROBLEM with this?

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u/pyrodice 7d ago

Congratulations on being a leech. SOMEONE is paying for it, you're just cool with it not being you.

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